The Daily Grind: Do veteran gamers help or hurt MMOs?

    
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You may recall that just yesterday, Justin was asking whether dinosaurs help or hurt MMOs. When I first saw the topic, though, my assumption was that he wasn’t talking about the animals that give ARK: Survival Evolved 80% of its appeal; I thought he was talking about, you know, players who are dinosaurs. Olds.

This doesn’t mean that they’re the evolutionary ancestor to birds; it means that they’ve been playing MMOs for a long damn time and thus have a whole lot of perspective on the genre. I have experiences and backstory that stretches back more than a decade. It’s hard for me to find major released titles that I’ve never played at all, and when most of my friends talk about playing a game, I can chime in with a “me too” and mean it.

The bright side is that we dinosaurs know a lot about the genre, but the downsides are many. We get calcified in our ways and can be inflexible, we can sometimes suck the air out of the room by having endlessly repeating stories, and we tend to have lots of opinions about MMOs. Not all of them might even be good ones. So tell us, readers: Do player dinosaurs help or hurt MMOs?

Every morning, the Massively Overpowered writers team up with mascot Mo to ask MMORPG players pointed questions about the massively multiplayer online roleplaying genre. Grab a mug of your preferred beverage and take a stab at answering the question posed in today’s Daily Grind!

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Mewmew

Generalizing them as a whole doesn’t work, as it doesn’t with any group. It depends on the individual.

My Uncle got me into gaming. He’s what you’d call a gaming Dinosaur. I like his stories about the early MMO days. I find them interesting. Though he tells me them in person and not rambling on while on a game.

Life willing I’ll be a gaming dinosaur one day. My experience grows daily, and I find that the experience helps me. Yes I’m more discerning in what I want, I’m not all fluffy eyed amazed and happy just to be playing online with others, I actually need good content. But that’s a good thing. We hold developers to a bit of a higher standard. We’re less likely to be suckered in and be fanbois or fangrrls (though it does still happen on occasion).

While dinosaurs may be thought of as stagnant, experienced gamers usually demand that gaming evolves and moves on. They demand new and different evolving experiences. This is all good.

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Rolan Storm

Depends on a player.

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starbuck1771

Exactly just like when SWG went through the NGE. Most Vets automatically tore newbs apart while I on the other hand was helpful gave away gear to the newbs except those who would carry on like they were entitled to free stuff. I hate Silver Spoon syndrome.

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Rolan Storm

Kudos. That’s how it should be I think.

I remember being newb and a lot of good folk I met. Met jerks too, but they are dull and not to be remembered. As for entitlement – there are people I just can’t believe.

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Mewmew

Exactly.

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oldandgrumpy

I started playing MMO’s with SWG so there starts and ends all my problems :)

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MurderHobo

I don’t think we oldtimers are any different than the rest of you. We’re all enthusiast weirdos here.

I can say I have never intentionally hurt an MMO for any reason related to my age.

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starbuck1771

This is a loaded question. They help but at the same time they can be a burden just like a rookie player. Ask anyone who was around when Star Wars Galaxies went through the NGE transition.

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Polyanna

I have not found that there is any solid correlation between age and disposition (happy or grouchy) either in life generally, or among people I have played games with.

My observation is that people who are crochety and grumpy and bitch about everything usually are like that from day one. When they are younger, they bitch out of ignorance. When they’re older, they bitch from experience. There isn’t a whole lot of difference in how much they bring down a game or a community at the start or at the end, and they tend to sap the good feelings from everything they play.

People who generally are happy tend to find something to be happy about in every situation that they are in; and that extends to finding something to like about every game they play. They may move on after a time if a game doesn’t offer much that they like, and that is the big difference between the happy players and the grouches. The grouches never move on and just hand around bitching forever, about everything.

And if the grouches ever are forced to move on, they find something to bitch about wherever they wind up too. The happy people may not stay forever, but they’ll usually be happy one way or another no matter where they are.

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Bryan Correll

I have not found that there is any solid correlation between age and disposition (happy or grouchy)

Yep, I’ve always been grouchy.

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Siphaed

Hurt. At least in respect of “nostalgia” and older game features. I all the time see vanilla WoW as superior in every aspect to the post-WotLK era. And I do think that the GW1 crowd severely hurt the GW2 launch image by the constant comparison and degradation against the game because of the significant differences between the two.

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Rottenrotny

Eh, I’m glad veteren MMOers are still around because we’re part of the player base that the devs need to cater to and thus some semblance of old school MMORPG still exists in most games.
If it were nothing bu new players the games would likely be arcade-y casual fests.

What if vanilla WoW came out this holiday season? Would it be a huge hit like it was in 2004? Probably not I’m guessing. It’s too hardcore of a game for gamers these days.
But since it came out way back then and a lot of us were there for that and still hunger for that type of game design. If we weren’t here to demand that it probably wouldn’t exist in 2017 MMOs at this point.

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Bryan Turner

If Blizz released a Vanilla WoW server I bet they nab 2 million subs instantly.

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Bel ? Floors 51-60

As a veteran mmo gamer… I feel like I probably hurt games because I have super high expectations. I expect the game to do something new… but at the same time also include every cool feature I ever wanted in a game over the last decade and a half.

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David Goodman

I’m an old :( So, I think I am a biased source when I say that I do think we’re good for games :)

Veteran gamers, just like everyone though, come in many shapes. Some of us are polite and happy to share our knowledge without being pushy. I like to think I am in this category (but I may be wrong!)

Others, may be impatient and toxic to anyone who doesn’t have their breadth of knowledge of basic MMO mechanics that games are built on, and they can have a very negative impact on a new player’s time.

So in conclusion, pickle sandwich roller derby.