The Repopulation restarts its test world but removes backer tiers

It’s a case of good news, bad news over at The Repopulation this month.

The scifi sandbox, which is now being handled by Idea Fabrik since the turnover from Above & Beyond earlier this year, released Update 10.2 today. The patch adds the player auction house, backer NPCs, and plenty of additions and adjustments to crafting. The scale of these changes apparently required a world wipe and restart for the NA server, which has now been renamed to Novus. The EU server was taken offline until and unless a larger community shows up to play.

The bad — or at least discouraging — news is that the developer said that it can’t make good on the game’s original backer tiers and will be delivering some sort of refund for them. “We are sad to announce that the purchasing of tiers will not be enabled at this time,” the company said. “We can not, in good conscience, sell a product which we can not support or provide content for. We’ll review the tiers to consider how to best compensate players. This may mean changes, but our intention is to provide you with proper compensation for your purchase.”

Update: It appears that the compensation won’t be in the form of refunds. In response to a player who requested a refund, IF wrote this:

“Since you purchased the game from Above and Beyond Technologies, you’ll need to request the refund from them. Idea Fabrik purchased the game and IP but did not inherit the debts of the company. The best place that I’m aware of to reach A&BT would be through the Steam forums for their game Fragmented.”

Source: Patch notes. Thanks DK!
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apparently they ninja edited the news post to back down in a super vague way about the backer teirs. or i am reading a different post. not sure.

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Arngrim

Like it wasn’t hard enough to test before, with the EU server on indefinite hold, this is gonna be even more fun.

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rafael12104

Ok. I tried to hold off, and will say very little compared to my usual rants.

The net, net, I gave money and supported this game before it was hijacked by Idea Fab. I won’t get over that and don’t expect anyone to follow my lead in refusing to accept anything Idea Fab has a hand in to promote their shitty engine. Yup, it still stings and I won’t steer clear of it.

BUT, glitchy_girl has some insight and it may very well be that this game actually materializes and is fun to play. Kudos to those who will see this through. No hate from me.

And yet, what it boils down too, for me, is Idea Fabs bullshit from top to bottom as Armsbend says. I don’t wish the game to fail. But I won’t fall for Idea Fabs shit again.

Good luck, peeps. I’m with DK on this.

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she has 36 posts on the repop forums and isn’t known by people that hung out in the abnt ventrilo.

her “insight” is in line with IF’s bullshit pr line but not in line with those that volunteered or worked with josh and jc in testing.

she also leavs out that IF killed multiple other games with this drama including venus rising, who were all waiting on these engine updates with the same issues that IF blames on josh and jc being incompetent or w/e bullshit.

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before you venture downwards to the insulting af shill post…

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zeko_rena

I can’t remember how much I wasted on this, it was when it was on sale though hehe

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glitchy_girl

Not sure how long you’ve all been following this.

But I figured I’d chime in here in hopes of clearing up some of the misconceptions.

As far as my “association with the game goes” I backed at the 500 dollar package early on, and even bought some of the black friday items when they temporarily put up the shop for visual effects that could be bought. (Alternate shielding effect when hit etc). From there I helped during the closed stages of testing of Repop when things were first getting started, and helped test until the servers shut down the first time.

When the servers shut down I stuck around the ABT discord and kept my ears open and eventually was involved in the early testing of the Fragmented project on the Unreal engine which was supposed to be a recreation of Repop in the Unreal engine. Sadly this ended up stalling and they weren’t able to pull it off. So as a result they ended up forking Fragmented off as it’s own project. Which while stalled is still fun on it’s own and is still semi alive

Now onto Repop itself. It was not stolen, or anything of this nature. It was bought, and paid for because it had a solid base and it was a project that the team at IF didn’t want to see die. (Which is what was going to happen) and it could be used as a way to A) save Repop, and B) showcase what hero engine could do if done right. Yes… done right.

Here’s the problem and a lot of why ABT stalled with Repopulation and why it lost it’s population as it did (no pun intended). The folks over at ABT honestly could not figure out how to correctly use HE and as a result ended up using so many work arounds to make things “work” that when it came time to release a new version of HE to which Repop could be upgraded to that they painted themselves into a corner and were unable to move to the new version without breaking everything. It’s the reason why even on a powerful machine you couldn’t move from one zone to another without crashing… or why if you looked at your inventory whenever you did zone your inventory would refresh *every single time*. It is also the reason you’d fall under the world when you loaded into a new zone on a bike that was too fast to keep up with the engine. It was the reason why sometimes if you jumped off of your bike it would, “my people need me I must go.” right into the sky.

So in order to fix this, the folks had to redo the coding and go back and figure out the extent to what had been done with the code so that it could be be fixed (a project still in progress). To add to this, new assets were also needed, because in truth a lot of the assets were simply bought or taken from other games and premade models from various websites that sold assets.

As such the guys over at Above and Beyond technology did create a nice start for the game… but it was a very flawed, and incomplete nice start that they weren’t going to be able to take any further if they kept going how they were.

Now I will be honest here… in having been with the Repop team pretty much from the beginning (Look up the user “Kusa” on the older forums that’d be me) – I will readily admit that I was kind of shocked and even upset at the idea of IF taking it over. As such I actually reached out on a number of occasions to members of the staff including ms.sarrene , and odwerki (who worked with ABT and also moved over to IF in the transition) to better understand what had happened.

In speaking with them I found that the transition between ABT and IF were not exactly as they seemed. Which in hindsight makes sense given my own interactions with the ABT team back when I was testing and reporting bugs. (For example a dev telling me that it was fine that it was fine that the female armor model’s werent showing up period, and that they may as well run around naked. For which a bug existed that allowed you to do just that… which was never fixed under ABT.)

That said, some time later I was then extended an invitation to help with the renovating of Repop so that it’d work better with IF. Something that I was happy to do. That said, due to the NDA I can’t go into all the gory details… transactions and so on. But I can at least let people know that work is being actively being done.

That said… not being a community representative,but rather someone that has worked on the project I do want to address some things people brought up in hopes that questions can be answered.

As far as backer tiers go. It is a case of ABT offering up promises that they couldn’t complete on. Some examples including the reservation of land plots for certain price points, the ability to design a custom weapon, etc. For which IF is now left to figure out how to make good upon. (for example I still await my custom weapon design, land plot, and custom shield effects… something that ABT said they’d give me that now IF has to figure out how they will deliver.) Now do I think all will be received? Chances are no… but honestly that is ABT’s issue, not mine or IFs.

To address what was mentioned in another post; the development of the game has not stalled. Once again; a lot of the work is being done to understand, and correct many of the work-arounds that ABT implemented to fix these that prevented Repop’s moving to a newer and more capable engine. Once this is fixed, you will see progress in terms of patches and updates. Much like today’s update for example.

That said, from this perspective the largest thing that could possibly hurt the game’s growth is the communities willingness to engage the game given the misconceptions of what happened between ABT and IF. That said, I hope people are willing to look into what happened and discern the truth for themselves, or are at the very least willing to try Repop themselves before passing judgement.

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Armsbend

Bullshit. From the top to the bottom. Bullshit.

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glitchy_girl

How do you believe it to be bullshit?

If you do need sources I’ll be happy to get what I can to show you this is in fact not false.

If you have any doubts about who I am I’ll be more than happy to verify this. If you have any doubts about what was said, I’ll also be happy to provide as much as I can without violating the NDA and so on.

By the same token… if I may ask where is your information indicating that this is indeed as you put it, “Bullshit. From the top to the bottom. Bullshit.” ?

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because your account throwing anb under the bus for the engine problems when other partner devs in teh program were on record with waiting for the same engine updates that were causing similar problems.

problems many in the program were having and IF was promising the next big “miracle patch” to the game would solve along with upgraded dx to fix the fudged over by the engine performance issues everyone was experiencing.

development of the game has not stalled? they’ve had exactly two super late minor updates in teh past year since taking over the game. after talking about weeks to update the game. and the 2 years and counting engine update is yet to be seen. i’d call that stalled.

honestly this reads like an IF employee damage control post. the thing is we’re privy to other developers in this program being alot more vocal about being fucked over by your shitty company playing power and greed games with everyone in teh program. you guys fucked over a number of innocent hungry devs of achieving their dreams and you come on here and throw out this bullshit fiction at us?

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Well I do apologize if you feel that I’m pitching ABT under the bus. But I’m simply not.

As is the engine was out, however the fact is that things could not be updated because the way that it was done would break the game and so they chose not to. If you’d like I can go see if I can get permission to show some examples of this spaghetti code that had to be cleaned up to allow things to work as they are. This would help point to some of the lack of optimization that could have in theory also been fixed at that time. (Again inventory having to load after every zone… this is not something that had to be done per the engine.)

As for these partners… I am curious, who might they be?

As far as minor goes in two of having the engine. I’m a bit perplexed here… it’s not been two years since minor updates occurred. I see here looking at the page http://www.heroengine.com/news/he-updates that there were version updates that occurred on August ’15, Sept ’15, Sept ’15, April ’16,Sept ’17.

So the updates to the server and everything where released. That said at this time, the people in charge of this product were… ABT. So what was stopping them from making use of it outside of their own system?

As far as IF employees go, nope… I’m simply me. Feel free to browse through my twitter which has been a thing for a while – twitter: https://twitter.com/KaraGlitch or my twitch which has also been a thing for a while and really has had little do with IF/HE or repop – twitch.tv/GlitchyGirl.

That said, maybe I’m a bit ignorant… but who are these other developers so that I may know?

Thank you. :>

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the thing is. here’s the thing. IF were their full developmental partners responsible for the engine. this is not the only game that was waiting for this much fabled update which has yet to come (and no that minor update was not what was promised as per ABT and other partner’s complaints and comms to backers) that IF fucked over with this drama.

also i am friends personally with multiple people who were in early testing and volunteers for repop which is a big reason why i personally jumped in myself. they have no memory of you and have no idea why josh and JC would give you this “insider info” that they gave no one else. you’re claiming they gave you info they have no shared with anyone else who worked closely with them over time that is inconsistent with what they were telling people consistently in both public and private.

but your narrative is very much in line with IF’s bullshit fiction they’ve created over the past year and then some to slander ABT and their other partners.

so you kindly fuck right off thanks.

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glitchy_girl

I believe things need to be clarified.

First of all – I am not claiming nor will I be claiming that Josh gave me any form of inside info. Nor did I really communicate with any of the staff outside of testing purposes when talking on the voip server.

It’s kind of strange that none of them would remember GlitchyGirl, or Kusa. Especially given that among the bugs reported early on… where major bugs including item/credit duplication bugs. Or my posts/rants about the non-visible female armors. Or my reports of using the bought models in stealth allowed people to run around nude…. to name a few.

That aside, I learned this over time from speaking with other now-ex ABT employees who are helping IF’s release of Repop.

If you have doubts about who I am… here is my account with some of those posts: https://therepopulation.com/forums/search?author_id=259&sr=posts . Now keep in mind that some of the fragmented posts were removed… but yeah I am who I say I am.

That said, DeeKay – I will remain right here and discuss that which needs to be, your commentary aside.

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posts from this year (as the old forums were deleted which is convenient).

you’re as obvious a plant as there ever was. and you’re not fooling anyone. the randos who showed up to applaud your tldr of fiction doesn’t help your case.

idk what IF seeks to gain from this. or it’s tiny fandom if that’s the case. it doesn’t help the game on this site any. it’s just makes you all look like the jackasses we already knew you were.

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This year? Just a quick example.

therepopulation.com/forums/support/bug-reports/bug-leashing-invuln-mechanic-mobs-still-do-damage-8214?p=92154#p92154

It is no longer 2015.

therepopulation.com/forums/alpha-testing/crafting/where-have-you-crafted-before-1676?p=29919#p29919

It is no longer 2013 either.

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a post in 2015, in a heavily deleted forum for a game who’s 40k+ backers have largely revolted against the new owners based on long since and ongoing public information.

okay, gz, you got me.

you’re not an IF employee. you’re just a shill for those scum. hope you’re happy.

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glitchy_girl

Hehe – it’s the internet. I’ve been called much worse. xD

Have a good day though!

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Well that all ended politely enough. I hope everybody’s happy and everybody’s having a good day.

Meanwhile as a $100-tier 2012 Kickstarter backer for The Repopulation, it doesn’t seem to me like A&BT could have produced a modern game with the resources available in a timely fashion nor have driven it towards mass public awareness or acceptance. Idea Fabrik hijinks only further crippled their abilities. Now that IF owns the project and presumably knows their own technology, it remains to be seen whether IF can actually deliver a game; The Repopulation would be their first demi-self-developed product. I would say that they’re already at point where unless they can realize the ambitions that A&BT were striving towards and devote resources to giving the game Blizzard levels of polish, it’ll likely never reach the goal of being a successful game. I mean, I’m usually fairly optimistic about things around here, but I’ve got to admit that I did not have fun in the previous builds of Repop. Seeing as how they were alphas, I didn’t expect to be blown away. I was pleased with A&BT’s communication and updates build-to-build, but never saw a game that was going to set the world on fire. If Idea Fabrik can turn Repop into a fun game with appeal for a variety of MMORPG fans, the last thing I would do is hold a grudge.

Waiting and seeing.

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I’m doing pretty good, finally got done with the not so fun part of the day, and am now on to the more fun bit since I get to cover a fun WF release (personal quarters, new mobs etc…. so hyped! But I digress… back on topic!)

As far as it goes … that is the hope. As is let’s be honest…. what was done by the ABT team, put a very good frame in place. One that was for better or worse not completely filled out. What would it have lead to if ABT kept at it? I can’t say…. needless to say what happened did happen.

As is IF now has it, and the plan is to help flesh out the world, add lore and to my knowledge help make things a bit more cohesive. Again by redoing the lore, redoing the maps/locations, and so on.

What Repop needs to survive though… more so than any themepark based mmo though is a population behind it. The reason as many will be quick to pick up on if even only playing for a few minutes is because of the need for people to fill the niches along the way that will allow the game’s economy and mechanics to fully be realized.

That is people who go out, and hold towns will be needed. Which leads to a need for people to make the guns/armors/support pets/mounts/vehs/heal devices/mods, which leads to a need for the tamers, component makers, which leads to a need for the gatherers, and refiners. (And if you want to take that even further… those who provide the various buffs/foods/etc to all the above! ) . Again, people to fill the niches.

All the above said, that’s why I chose to poke my head in here. I do want people to know about the game as it is now. As opposed to what went on in the past. Hence the reason for the first wall of text ( now it’s something that’s out of the way and so I hope we can move onto the here/now of it.) And it is my hope that more people are willing to wait and see, and perhaps even try it. That is as opposed to holding a grudge.

Will that happen? No idea… but I’d honestly be frustrated if I was going to let a conflicted past destroy what could be a very awesome game that I am fond of.

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IF astroturf bullshit you mean. it’s pretty fucking insulting the whole damn thing.

i feel worse for all teh devs that put their faith in this program with IF than i do us backers of those games. that they stoop to such lows as this is fucking disgusting.

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Yeah, I’m inclined to agree with you Armsbend.

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This could be the post of the year and apply to various topics. My walls of text are shameful in comparison. Thanks, Armsbend.

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Thank you for this insight. I will admit a lot of confusion on my end over the whole situation.

I still worry that Idea Fabrik may have bitten off more than it can chew, but am crossing my fingers that they pull this off. It is an innovative and unique game, and would be a shame to see it fade away.

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Oh I will agree with you there.

As is I have confidence that they have the technical know-how on how to do it… and that part will be fine. But honestly my concern is the community part of it. This game is an MMO, and it relies on the massive part to be fully viable.. at least as far as the crafting system goes which is a backbone for a lot else in this game.

That said, I just hope the game can make it past the ugliness that is the whole ABT/IF saga and just grow (or fail) on it’s own merits.

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schatzsucher

Thanks for your statement and the clarification.

Idea Fabrik seems to be the best (and last) option to get the game released.

Server is online. Population has grown immediately.

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“in good conscience”

I guess they grew a good conscience AFTER they stole the game.

I am looking forward to opening up my daily MOP page and reading the day that Idea Fabrik 1) closes shop on The Repopulation and 2) everyone at the company loses their job. In this Christmas Season, I wish only the worst for each and every one of them. On a personal level.

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in teh vein of the old “i’m not usually for the death penalty” memes i will say i’m not usually a fan of you ill wishes upon industry workers but in this case i’m going to make an exception.

and remember it’s not just AnB they fucked over with this game. but dozens of other partners who’s projects they fucked with just for making the mistake of doing business with them.

i hope IF chokes.

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Here are the names and faces.
http://ideafabrik.com/company

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Has anyone actually poked their head into the game since the changeover?

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It is exactly the same, really, minus players.

There’s still another wipe so getting a playerbase outside of their ~15-20 hardcore players is going to be impossible. And dev progress has pretty much slowed to a snail’s pace, if that.

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MJ streamed it when IF first got it back online. :/

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The game jkust needs to go already

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apparently they’ve added some new assets and cleaned up the renderer a bit but it’s minor really.

the major issues with the game that were stalling it’s beta 2 years ago and all the other projects in the same program are those long promised and undelivered engine updates which IF since claims are AnB coding problems, even tho other partners have talked about having the same isuses stalling their development progress.

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One of the largest issues is that for a sandbox, community-driven game they simply do not and have never supported their community. I don’t even think they have a CM currently, and even if they did I’d be very surprised if they’ve moved beyond a place where the right hand has no idea what the left is actually doing.

At least, that was my experience. It is a game that needs to be driven by community/dev in-game events/stuffs/interactions and they simply do not do so.

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i meant w/e that employee is that keeps posting on their forums primarily when someone is asking for refund or if there’s anyone playing because all of the forums for it are more or less dead.

which i like how they act like the euro server closing is “not gone” but “will reopen when the community grows”. sorry IF but most of the backers have written this game off since you started fucking around with your partners.

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This whole thing is a mess. I wrote this game off as a loss a year or so ago when AB&T lost the game to whoever is running the show now. Luckily, I didn’t donate too much $ during their initial crowdfunding phase. No way would I ask AB&T for my money back. Pretty sweet deal for the new dev team as they don’t have to worry about any old debts or obligations from the previous team.

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should be noted the bit about not honouring backer teirs was bured in the middle of this patch and wipe news post on their site and seemed to be an afterthought at best. idk what form the compensation is going to be becuase they don’t say.

i wouldn’t mind getting some of my money back tho. i know a few friends that whaled on this for openworld houses that probably wouldn’t mind either.

it’s odd tho cuz alot of the things in the backer teirs like open world housing josh and jc had already done initial test implementations of in limited fashion. the remaining thing that wasn’t implemented was primarily the cash shop and tokens shop. which was their whole post launch revenue model was going to be the cosmetics only cash shop.

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Dear god… the GD responds to the request by sending them to AB&T! That is the most tone-deaf shit… Not only did IF steal TR from AB&T, now they’re intentionally directing people to ask AB&T, who lost all their money due to IF’s nonsense, for refunds that may reach large amounts that J.C. and Josh certainly don’t have.

Pass the buck.

In addition, IF took back on some of the key individuals who directly caused TR to have a lot of problems to begin with! Unbelievable! I don’t think a single former CM hasn’t been banned on their forums. Think of that.