Kings and Heroes may deliver that satisfying dungeon crawl you’ve been craving

    
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The very definition of a game in stealth mode, Kings and Heroes is a title that traveled from early access to launch in 2017 without drawing much attention to itself at all. The buy-to-play MMOARPG released in November of last year with seven fantasy races and five classes.

Since then, Kings and Heroes’ first major post-launch update was published last month right before Christmas. Performance issues were tackled, difficulty restrictions on certain dungeons were lifted, werewolves showed up in the world, and NPC pathing in dungeons were removed.

Should you give it a try? PCGamesN wrote a piece that argued for a very fresh and inventive in its dungeon crawls despite a lackluster opening experience: “Its boon is that it actually uses procedural generation very well. Instead of repeating the same handful of dungeons over and over again, repeat visits to the same one retain some of the surprise and tension of your first. Using tilesets of different designs, each visit feels familiar but different enough to keep your wanderlust topped up.”

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Neurotic

I like it a lot. Reminds me of EQ and Vanguard. I’ve been playing it off and on for a long time, but I must say that it is only really in the last 6 months that it’s become particularly good. Of course, that’s a subjective view. Objectively, it does have a certain roughness, which the cheerful and optimistic amongst us will (like me), consider ‘charm’.

But it does work, and when you’re down there hacking your way through the mobs, a great deal of fun can be had. It has a great atmosphere, and there’s the kind of tension there that you only get in games that challenge you, either through glitchiness or toughness. K&H definitely has both, so if money is tight and you need every game to be a polished experience, maybe stay away. But if you’re patient and can afford to experiment with something that’s charmingly wonky, do go for it!

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ihatevnecks

I tried playing it last summer, and again around Christmas, and it’s just plain rough… in every possible aspect.

But hey, I do appreciate they had the balls to put a high level aggro NPC right in the starting area that will 1-2 shot most low level players. It was always funny seeing people try to run from that guy.

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John Mclain

A “mostly negative” rating on steam automatically means that the game should never be installed, even if completely free. Hell “mixed” is the new “bad” rating for steam games, you have to make something truly awful to achieve “mostly negative” rating. (And create a new form of cancer to achieve “overwhelmingly negative.”)

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Stropp

Always in for a decent ARPG, but the reviews on Steam seem pretty shaky. The recent reviews (assuming they’re post-release) are mostly negative.

I tend to ignore negative reviews on early access because some reviewers don’t seem to know what that actually means, but for a released game mostly negative is somewhat damning.

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I haven’t tried this in a few months.

Performance was ruff in the open world back then, but once in a dungeon all was fine. I made one trip in after I upgraded my video card and it ran much smoother though.

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I bought this a long while ago but haven’t logged into it since October. I doubt I’ll ever be tempted to reinstall it. If only Steam let you gift games that you already own, I’d happily give this one away.

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I got it early on too, but it was OMG BUGGY and I stopped trying. Checked about 3 months ago and still unstable as hell. I might try one more time because I do like the idea of what they’re trying to do. But, so much on my gaming plate already. We’ll see….

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Greaterdivinity

This game looks right up my alley, but I’m still holding off. Between not being sure about its longevity to reports of crashes/poor performance etc. that are still popping up recently, I’m fine leaving this one on my list for a while long.

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Dug From The Earth

I was very optimistic about this game when it launched in early access despite it having the usual list of lacking elements, bugs and performance issues found in an Alpha. Ive played nearly all old school dungeon crawling games, and many of the newer ones like Grimrock, and love them greatly.

However, over the year+ that this game was in EA for, it just wasnt showing any sign of getting better in the areas it needed to improve in. It wasnt a game features thing, or a necessarily a content thing (although at release, the game feels lacking). It was more of a “its clear that the programmers of this game are unskilled, especially with unreal engine” thing. These technical issues, set backs and short comings have led the game to be nothing more than a frustrating and annoying experience for me.

On top of everything, despite being “released” now, the game still feels largely unfinished and lacking.

This is my review on steam, which ive updated twice throughout the games development, with the last update being Nov of 2017.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/gadzooks/recommended/436560

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Ashfyn Ninegold

Joined this game when it was first released in Early Access. It was very rough then, but with some great ideas. Over time the devs have beefed the game up considerably, fixed bugs and generally improved the game in many ways, including added open world content.

This is one of my favorite games to plink in. All the classes play differently, with different playstyles, dungeons can be done partied or solo, and the game allows you to set the difficulty each time you enter a dungeon, giving you great flexibility depending on whether you want a quick run through or a challenge.

Crafting is pretty hefty, with the mats falling readily in dungeons and has the feel of something to be achieved in the game.

Don’t think this will ever replace a AAA MMO, but it’s fun to play.

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I like it, too. Totally worth the $10 I paid for it during the last Steam winter sale. It kind of reminds me of how a pve version of Darkfall could have been, though I like Darkfall’s combat better.

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Cosmic Cleric

To the MoP crew, I gotta ask (with love guys, don’t hate me!), is this a sponsored article?

If so, some kind of labeling as such would be appreciated, going forward. Thank you.

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Cosmic Cleric

Not fair. :(

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Darthbawl

Sounds like you think it *is* a sponsored article. If so, why do think it is? ‘Cause I am not getting that vibe at all.

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I tend to trust the MoP gang, so when Arktouros commented about the ratings, and knowing he’s usually right about that kind of thing, I went looking, and yeah, ratings not good, comments of not ready and be wary, etc.

That made me think about why MoP would post an article about such a game, so I wanted clarification.

If it was, all I would expect is the word ‘Sponsored’ as part of the title, like most YouTube videos. I totally understand that they have bills to pay.

If it’s not, then I’d honestly like to know the motive as to why a problematic game had an article here, so I can reevaluate my trust.

If there’s a perfectly good non-sponsored reason why the article is here, that’s fine too. I love this site.

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Greaterdivinity

Game got an update. It was recently covered by a larger PC focusing gaming news site who did an impressions piece on it. They’ve covered it in the past.

There’ you go, that’s why it’s newsworthy for Massively. If you have different thoughts than their writers by all means add them here, but this whole, “OH EM GEE MASSIVELY WROTE ABOUT A GAME THAT’S BAD/I DON’T LIKE AND THEY DIDN’T SHIT ON IT, PAID ADVERTORIAL SHILLS!” nonsense that pops up from time to time is silly.

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Cosmic Cleric

but this whole, “OH EM GEE MASSIVELY WROTE ABOUT A GAME THAT’S BAD/I DON’T LIKE AND THEY DIDN’T SHIT ON IT, PAID ADVERTORIAL SHILLS!” nonsense that pops up from time to time is silly.

I can’t prevent you from reading more into what I’m saying then I actually did, but what you wrote about me up above is a hundred percent wrong, that’s not what I was thinking.

I stand by what I asked.

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Greaterdivinity

I got hyperbolic with my post, absolutely. But at the same time, your reasoning for thinking this would be a sponsored post seems flawed.

Again, I gave three solid reasons why they’d post this – PC Games N did an impressions piece (larger PC gaming news site), the game recently got a “big” update, Massively has covered it before.

So why the question as to if they’re suddenly doing sponsored advertorials, something I don’t believe they ever have done period? The game has problems, but it would hardly be the first time Massively has reported on a game with issues without specifically calling out all the issues in their piece >.>

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Cosmic Cleric

your reasoning for thinking this would be a sponsored post seems flawed.

It might be, which is why I was asking, and not stating. I’m looking for clarification.

So why the question as to if they’re suddenly doing sponsored advertorials, something I don’t believe they ever have done period?

Honestly, I asked not knowing if that is true statement or not, either historically, and/or presently.

From my post …

I totally understand that they have bills to pay.

When I see, for an example, MJ cast a game, I do think in the back of my mind that it could be sponsored, and not have a problem if it was, though again, I would want to know that somehow.

I’ve never heard their official policy about such things, so I honestly don’t know how they make money (and I want then to make lots of it), so was asking.

I just want to know, either way.

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We don’t do sponsored articles, at all, ever, and if we did, we would be morally and legally obligated to disclose it. This information has been posted in our ethics statement for three years.

Also everything Justin and GD said. And you’ll note our source is PCGamesN.

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Cosmic Cleric

This information has been posted in our ethics statement for three years.

Wow! I had no idea that existed! Was a good read.

Thank you for having an ethics statement, you guys are awesome, and apologies for any accidental slights given, none was meant.

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Bree Royce

o7 – I was surprised to see it coming from you since I generally agree with stuff you post! We get understandably prickly about this stuff. :D Btw, we talked about the site’s finances during the roundtable podcast a few weeks ago, mainly for the Patreon backers who asked about it, but ofc everyone can access it!

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Cosmic Cleric

o7 – I was surprised to see it coming from you since I generally agree with stuff you post! We get understandably prickly about this stuff. :D

Heh, overall, felt more like I was getting pimped slapped with a cactus. :P Just trying to keep it real (my usual motis operati). :)

Btw, we talked about the site’s finances during the roundtable podcast a few weeks ago, mainly for the Patreon backers who asked about it, but ofc everyone can access it!

I listen to your podcast while at work, but haven’t heard that one yet.

And that reminds me, I need to go do the Patreon for you guys. I was out of work when you started MoP, so didn’t pitch in back then.