Elite Dangerous disables part of its passenger transport system to block huge credit exploit

    
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If you were among those farming your Elite Dangerous bajillions running bulk passenger transports to Smeaton Orbital (or various other well-placed stations), your fun has come to an end. Apparently, that’s been the result of a legal loophole many players have been taking advantage of for quite a while, but this week, Frontier disabled it.

“As some of you are aware, Passenger Bulk missions are currently generating extremely high credit rewards that we feel are excessive of what we would consider reasonable and balanced,” Frontier explained. “After a detailed investigation, we can confirm that this is due to an element in our mission generation algorithm that rewards credits based on the distance of the destination system from the star. Due to this, we will be disabling (until further notice) the aforementioned element of Passenger Bulk missions to reduce the amount of credits offered as a reward. Commanders will still be able to select and complete Passenger Bulk missions, but will see less excessive credit rewards. In the meantime, we will be reviewing the Passenger Bulk missions and correct the previously mentioned element – hopefully in time for you to test in the Beyond Chapter One beta.”

Of course, if you took advantage of the happy accident, you’re now rich, and those who come after you won’t have it so easy. Perhaps that’s why the community on the forums and Reddit is so divided. While some players are flipping tables because their favorite exploit has been patched, because they’ll never get to make use of it, or because Frontier said it was legal for month, still others are annoyed because the economy is hosed anyway, because the exploit illuminated extreme grind, or even because the passenger transport system is still too lucrative. Internet spaceships.

Source: Official forums, Reddit. With thanks to Tobasco!

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David Dionne

I agree, WWAAYY way to grindy…in fact I’ve barely played since 2.4 and it breaks my fuking heart

Credits can’t hurt anyone, so who cares!!! People in favor of keeping the game grindy are hateful, petty, control freaks. Pathetic

I’m a collector, I like to collect stuff…ITS WHAT I ENJOY!!!!! It doesn’t hurt anyone and I like it, but with credits the way they are, it’s impossible!!! Go fly in ur wing and watch sunsets, that’s great and I hope it remains that way for you, SINCERLY, JUST PLEASE STOP SUPPORTING THAT WHICH KILLS WHAT I ENJOY!!!!!!!!!

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David Dionne

I agree, WWAAYY way to grindy…in fact I’ve barely played since 2.4 and it breaks my fuking heart

Credits can’t hurt anyone, so who cares!!! People in favor of keeping the game grindy are hateful, petty, control freaks. Pathetic

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shear

I’m surprised it took them this long to fix this issue.

I like where the game is heading, wish it was faster but it is what it is. Gunna play the Beta today o7

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the_gaardian

They literally want this game to be a grind.

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AngryPacifist

invisible passengers are best passengers. I like how they call a commodity ‘passengers’. Ah well, Frontier quality. So great they don’t waste time with details and fluff, like immersion.

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cmdr_cotic

Are you still running your elitedangerous hatesub?

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PhoenixDfire

Is that the same guy who want’s frontier to fold and the game to fail because he didn’t get his offline mode?

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Schmidt.Capela

It isn’t just one.

BTW, for me it’s more about how Frontier tried to weasel out of providing refunds for those that had purchased the game for the promised offline mode. If together with the announcement about the offline mode being removed Frontier had also offered a full, no-questions-asked refund to everyone that had purchased the game for it, I would have been merely grumpy; since they tried to deny the refunds, and even after they caved they in most cases only offered partial refunds, I’m going to keep doing everything I can to drive prospective players away from the game until 2025, a full decade after its launch (assuming the game lasts that long).

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PhoenixDfire

Or were you one of the ones that were boasting that if you got a refund, then you’d just rebuy the game a lot cheaper when it was released. People like that spoilt it for people who had a genuine grievance.

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Schmidt.Capela

Nope. And even if I was, it would still be Frontier’s fault for repeatedly promising that the game would have an offline mode and then reneging on that promise. They brought this on themselves when they decided to scam their customers.

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PhoenixDfire

And I will just continue to feel sorry for you, letting all that bitterness make you miss out on a fantastic space game. I don’t think your plan is working.

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Schmidt.Capela

Nah, ED is about worthless for me without a few things they had to remove in order to make the game online-only. The open source remake of the original is, for me, more enjoyable than an online-only ED ever could be, and this isn’t hyperbole.

I do have the game, you know. The £85 pack that includes not just the game but all expansions to be released until the game closes down. I would be enjoying the game a whole lot if I could mod and/or cheat in the offline version to eliminate the grind and otherwise adjust the gameplay to my tastes, but the game as Frontier intends it to be played is just not worth my time.

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PhoenixDfire

But you by your own admission don’t even play the game. You will not know what it’s like to fly in a wing, take on thargoids, the millions of sun sets and run rises you can see for the surface of a planet in a buggy or the brown panting of getting get stuck between two capital ships in the middle of a battle. The Online living galaxy simulation part of the game adds such an extra dimension that the old static version cannot compete with.

If your on about OOlite, then just stick with that. Personally I found it boring after about 100 hours. With Elite Dangerous, when you get involved in a dogfight, it’s better than of the old x-wing or tie fighter games, the size of the galaxy makes you think you’ve just walked into the total perspective vortex and if you want to play by yourself, I can play in solo mode over a crappy mobile phone network connection.

Like I said I feel sorry for you that your missing out on all that because you can’t mod the game. Fine, that your choise but the main issue I have is you trying to discourage people when you don’t even know what it’s like to play the game.

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Angel of Def

Dumb move.

Developers need to look at themselves in the mirror sometimes and this dev house is bad at that. They have a dead end game with minimal things to do, anytime one of these credit exploits come along, the MASS of players all participate….

why? If your game is so engaging, and these bugs are bad for the game, why then does 99% of the player base flock away from the non existent content you created to do this 1 hour long drive for 80-100m in the right ship?

Maybe cause you gated the content to a pace that is so slow to hide the fact there is barely anything to do at end game? Maybe you put things behind 1000’s of hours of grind so that people can’t actually complete it in time enough to put you on the spot for the fact this game has been out for years now and still has the same basic content it had at horizons launch?

Developers need to stop trying to get away with putting out a new skin every week instead of putting out new content. The only reason I came back to E:D was I had fun doing these missions.. I like building ships and outfitting them, flying them around, selling and redoing the whole thing over… now that that avenue is gone and its back to the 10k data missions or 1-2 million kill missions ill go play something else…

/shrug.

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edangerous

Any stats to back your 99% claim or is that a case of hyperbole?

Now that that avenue is gone and its back to the 10k data missions or 1-2 million kill missions ill go play something else…

So rank up with a local faction and start bringing in the bucks. Credits are so easy to get now, even as a newb in a Sidewinder, go do some exploration for good money, do some normal passenger missions for good money etc. This was clearly at the complete opposite end of the scale.

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Angel of Def

I get you love the game and feel a certain way about the S.O. run.. but you know that the bubble becomes basically empty once these exploits hit, so quit trying to play this “Give me sources” bs….

Second, I am not a newb in a sidewinder. I had a fully fitted 58 LY conda before the exploit, and now I have a cutter for trading, and a Conda after. My post has nothing to do with not finding the content, or needing you to tell me how to do it, basically I don’t need the same script repeated to me that every fanboy of this game repeats to anyone with a criticism. But if all this game offers is exploration or running shitty data missions, that is the problem with development team/game not the exploit.

Also this run hurt no one… it brought people like me back

Since PvP was NOT being affected by this as you have to have engineering to be competitive and you can’t credit past the grind to get it, the only people affected are the ones who are basically being busy bodies worrying about others play-style which doesn’t affect them.

It’s a bad change. For a multitude of reasons.

Thanks for the reply though.

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PhoenixDfire

It certainly was an edge case in the mission system, with hundreds of thousands of possible trade routes/ Missions these cases are going to come out. However, it did get me interested in passenger missions which were a lot more fun than I thought.

One of the Issues is that in order to deal with the big headline feature i.e. taking on cyclops and basilisk (For get about the Medusa unless you have a large group) thargoids, you need an expensive ships, so people were doing the smeaton run to build ships to be to stand a chance against them. So I’m going back to the Pleiades to start bug hunting with some good rebuys.

However, The fact it made people Elite in trading (and I include myself in this) after only 20 to 30 runs did make me grumpy.

But heck Beyond Beta tonight, so I might not get round to it.

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David Dionne

AAAAAGGGGGRRRRREEEEEEEEEDDDDDDD!

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CapnLan

I’m not upset at this as we’re due for a full mission rebalance some time this year anyway. Also a heads up that Will later clarified that Fdev never considered it an exploit and was a balancing issue:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/398597-Mode-switching-for-missions-and-Smeaton-Orbital-200mill-hour?p=6330812&viewfull=1#post6330812

Elite players LOVE to use “exploit” to describe anything and everything they don’t like. Don’t put too much stock into it when they start crying about it. I’ve been labelled an exploiter as I play in private groups and only like PvE lol.

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cmdr_cotic

I see these sort of things as ways to cheapen your own gameplay. It also surprises me the drudgery people put themselves through just to take advantage of the latest money maker. Grind, grind, grind and then they’ll bitch about grinding…. or the game not offering them any challenge anymore…

All that said, Frontier need to get on top of these things far faster than they currently do.

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Schmidt.Capela

People spend hours doing those boring grindy missions in order to avoid wasting double that time, or even more, grinding the same amount of credits in a legitimate way. The game is absurdly grindy to start with, so players will jump at any chance to reduce that grind.

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cmdr_cotic

Hardly. People engage in this sort of self-abuse in every game. It’s a false dichtomy where they convince themselves it is making the game better for them but it ends up having the adverse effect.
It’s an easy game to play without engaging in grind if you choose, but you wouldn’t know that because you don’t even play the game, you just read gripes about it and believe it’s the full story…

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Schmidt.Capela

Kickstarter backer and owner of a lifetime pass that gives me every new expansion as soon as it’s released. Ironically I also have the game’s physical box sitting on my shelf, as Frontier screwed up somehow and sent it to me despite how I specifically asked not to be sent one.

Played the game a lot during Beta, until those scammers at Frontier decided to remove the offline mode and deny full refunds to everyone that had as much as launched the Alpha or Beta client.

It was grindy back then, and what I see from lurking in the forums indicates it only got more grindy since that, particularly after the Engineers were added.

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shear

Some call it a grind some call it playing the game.