Black Desert players are up in arms about a very nice (and very expensive) tent

    
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Don't camp here.
So let’s talk a little bit about camping! Black Desert recently added the option of setting up campsites to the game, which gives you a chance to repair, buy buffs, and otherwise rest up when far from civilization. It’s time-limited and expensive, but it means that you can operate on longer journeys effectively. Unless you buy the $50 cash shop tent, which affords you a whole lot of bonuses compared to the normal tent. It has no expiration, cheaper repairs, longer-term buffs, and player testing has revealed it gives access to every single villa buff with any villa invitation.

To recap, that’s $50 for repair prices a tenth of the normal tent cost, no need to re-invest money in it, and access to even more buffs for longer.

Players are obviously upset about the item’s addition to the cash shop, with many discussing it as a pay-to-win item due to the overwhelming advantage it gives to any players willing to drop money on it. That’s including the players who think it’s overpriced but still see it as a necessary investment to play the game in a reasonable fashion. If you’re a little unclear on how the system works, you can check out a fan video just below explaining the mechanics from the game’s Korean version.

Source: Reddit (1, 2, 3, 4), Official Forums, YouTube; thanks to Carl for the tip!
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Mewmew

Once they play a game where they spend $500 to beat the freebies and low spenders, then the $1,000 spenders come along and own them, so they spend $1,500 or so to get back to the top (briefly) until the $2k spenders take over while they’re sleeping that night, back and forth over and over with rising spending, then they’ll learn what actual pay to win games are. It’s not a single $50 purchase that you can buy and be done with it for some tiny bonus stats.

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Gamer Alek

This was to be expected. Look at the Russian version of the game and see what a cash grab that is.

Now lets wait for everyone to come here and argue that it is not necessary and only offers convenience features. Letting them get away with this, just means more and more such items in the future.

Pay to win, is pay to win.

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Carl Robert

Part of the outrage is cause tents are cheater IRL than in the game. What’s next? $2K cash shop horses?

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Arktouros

People have been asking the “What’s next?” question for the last 2 years and then followed by nonsensical suppositions.

The KR cash shop sells a great deal number of things than our version and if they’re going to pull from anything it’ll be there. For example this Tent is around $75 in KR and we’ve all known it was going to probably be coming for over a month now.

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Joshua Dickerson

This is a good example of what we see on the forums.

Always the “how far will we let this go” argument. Just look at KR BDO, we get what they get roughly within 2 weeks to a month if it is a Cash Shop edition.

Horses just got tweaked to make breeding success easier, which means people will have to spend less on the Breeding reset coupons in the cash shop. Which means the Devs are making changes that also hurt their cash shop.

They handle the game Cash Shop with a comfortable medium.

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Knox Harrington

I would not recommend a tent IRL that only costs $50.

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Arktouros

Also, lets be clear on how this item works and why it’s neither mandatory nor pay2win.

The repair values it gives are the exact same as the vendor. So if you walk your ass to town, you can repair for the same price rather than the 300% repairs of the basic tent (not 10x the cost).

You also still can’t sell at the tent, so once you’re full of loot, you still gotta go back to town. It’s not like you have a tent so you can sit out in the wilderness forever and grind the day and night away.

The Villa buffs are only really useful as a convenience feature. You’ll never grind enough extra to make back the millions of silver it costs to get their buffs and are mostly used for things like node wars or for gathering/energy. This primarily just saves you the trip of having to go back to get the villa buff on the other side of the world which as someone who spends most of their time around Kamasylvia/Calpheon saving myself a 30 minute trip there, a 30 minute trip back (wasting buffs) is quite nice but certainly not mandatory.

The storage on it is entirely useless. Maybe if you want to store some heavier items like armor drops or something but the bulk of your trash loot will still end up overstacked on a horse.

So other than saving yourself a trip to get Villa buffs for Node Wars or similar, there’s really not much needed for this tent. You’ll still end up back in town to drop off loot and repair. You’ll still end up spending a trip each week to go buy Villa buffs. This outrage is all the same useless noise as they usually are and much ado about nothing.

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A Dad Supreme

Looks like the game is available as B2P for $10 on Steam.

Honestly if I was just starting out in this game as a noob, I’d seriously consider buying the tent for another $50.

Since the game is primarily PvE (with griefing PvP penalized), you are only competing against yourself really. So the kind of “winning” you’re paying for is only affecting you by and large.

If I had already bought the game for the normal price and had spent money in the shop on other things previously, I probably wouldn’t bother with it because I’d already have an established character(s) maxed out and what not.

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Arktouros

I would not buy this tent as a noob or anyone even in the middle stages of the game. Your first money spent on this game should be upgrading to the Explorer Package ($25 on sale) and $30 for pets and an item brand (for Balenos fishing rod) if you got the starter coupons. That’ll give you 4 pets to grind with and more durability for the permanent fishing rod so you can AFK fish longer without stopping.

This Tent is really only useful for veterans who are doing things like node wars and want to save themselves the hour trip to go get Villa buffs pre node war or a lifeskiller who spends most of their time on the western part of the world and now can use the Turning Gates buff as a serious option (IE: Right now I’m up in Magoria gathering Coral and there’s no way I’d spend 45 minutes to sail back, 30 minutes to run over, then 30 minutes to run back, then 45 minutes to sail back, only to have to repeat that in 105 minutes later).

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sizer99

This does not really sound fun!

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Rolan Storm

The problem of KR games.

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Arktouros

We, as a community, have protested, raged, ranted, and thrown temper tantrums pretty much since this game has released. First it was the costume prices. Then it was the ghillie suit. Then it was the dyes on the marketplace. Then it was cash shop items on the market place. Then it was delayed awakenings. Then it was the server merges (people collected items on all 3 servers). Then it was the shitty servers. Then it was the super shitty servers after steam. Then we had that big protest months ago so on and so forth. I probably left out half the other shit people constantly bitch about (karma bombing, lack of pvp systems, lack of content, etc).

This outrage over a $50 tent is just another Wednesday to them at this point.

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Joshua Dickerson

I play the game consistently.

If you are in a guild with level headed and mature people, most dont even bat an eye at this stuff. Eventhough there are $50 items (rarely) in the Cash Shop, I know few people who actually buy it.

“Players up in arms” is usually the consistent negative forum trolls and reddit posters who throw a sh*t fit anytime something is added to the cash shop. Literally, every week or two is another topic with the same consistent users bashing the game.

Its sort of like how Star Citizen attracts alot of vitriol whenever it pops its head up.

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draugris

I don´t get the BDO community. They are playing a pay to win game and complain if more pay to win features get implemented. I mean I played this game in Korea around 6 months ahead of the start in the west and it was crystal clear what will happen and it happened, and not the first time. Stop playing this p2w bs if you don´t like it.

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Toy Clown

BDO isn’t a P2W game, by any stretch. It has no more P2W features than ESO has. It does have pay for convenience features, and that’s what I categorize this tent as. You don’t need it, it’s a convenience and it doesn’t give you any advantage over another player.

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Carl Robert

The maids, pets, weight, outfits, and artisan memory items I think categorize the game correctly as P2W. However, it’s a sandbox MMO so “winning” is subjective.

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Arktouros

The issue is you can’t point to any of those things and immediately show someone who’s won over someone else directly because of those things. At best you can show over a great deal of time spent they gave the players who own those things advantages such as less trips to town or less loot missed etc.

Or, probably better put, lets say the son of an Oil Baron starts playing tomorrow and drops $100,000 on pearls tomorrow. There’s very little he can purchase with that $100k that will have him winning over veterans who have sunk thousands of hours into this game or, even realistically, players who have sunk only hundreds of hours into the game. This is because of how the rest of the game is designed and the economic system is designed.

That is in contrast to actual pay2win games where your performance is literally tied to your wallet and you have to purchase cash shop items in order to compete with others. A rich new player can compete with veterans because they can buy upgrades and buy their power from the cash shop. Such options just aren’t even possible in BDO, hence it’s not really pay2win in the kind of sense where that term originated.

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Carl Robert

It directly creates a pretty massive gold differential which translates to gear differential.

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Arktouros

More accurately it creates a time differential which if you measure time in money then it can create a gear differential. However someone who spends the equivalent amount of time will end up with similar results.

None of the top geared or leveled or skilled players in this game got there because they paid. They got there after an assload of hours in their chair (pun intended) putting in that hard work and effort.

That is the fundamental difference between what is and isn’t pay2win. No one is at the top because they paid. No one can just come in and pay and be at the top.

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Arktouros

The issue is that BDO isn’t explicity pay2win.

Instead they use a sinister methods in their cash shop of offering items that provide a great deal of advantage or convenience but not so much that they’re really mandatory or something that will make you automatically win over other people. They push the border of good taste, as it were, or are frustrating because in some cases should be game features that are instead sold back to us as a premium. This creates perpetual outrage because you’re not happy with the scenario, but you aren’t exactly so angry that it’s worth quitting the game over.

TBH I expect more game companies to do similar in the future because their cash shop system is pretty much the extreme end of what consumers will let businesses get away with.

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K38FishTacos

This is just so much whining. I don’t even play BDO.

(1) Players are obviously upset about the item’s addition to the cash shop, with many discussing it as a pay-to-win item … Boo-hoo. If you are still playing this game after the previous “pay to win” then you have no reason to cry now. Seriously. If you don’t like it, just play something else.

(2) That’s including the players who think it’s overpriced but still see it as a necessary investment to play the game in a reasonable fashion. This group is the worst. Cry me a river. If you’re going to buy it then just shut up, buy it, and fkn play your game.

Pepperzine
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Pepperzine

If you enjoy a game but not the direction the developers are taking it, you should voice your opinion. What harm can be done by vocalizing how displeased you are? Pretty much none. What harm can be done by being quiet and quitting? Lack of Feedback, losing a game you enjoy, and not providing a warning to future potential customers of the practices of the company. Being silent about an issue doesn’t fix anything.

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Toy Clown

Very much this. It’s all in how you go about it. There’s a suggestions forum on the main site that the publisher collects information from and passes it to Pearl Abyss. Many of the things the RP community has requested, like the walk toggle function, made it into the game when we created a post and got a lot of supporters for it.

I’ve seen the same happen for many requests and I think it comes down to how its presented by the playerbase. Most of BDO’s forum communities make me feel like I walked into a kindergarten room full of out-of-control kids.

K38FishTacos
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K38FishTacos

@Thomas Zervogiannis — Exactly.

There’s a difference between the first time it happens and when it happens again (and again and again, etc.).

K38FishTacos
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K38FishTacos

Normally I’d agree with you pepperzine, but with BDO and ArcheAge, I have no pity for those communities. We’ve definitely already been here, done that.

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Melissa McDonald

Everytime I read about people whining about stuff someone else can buy, that they aren’t willing to buy, yet they want to deny EVERYONE else that capability, I get the urge to go listen to some Rush.

“And the trees are all kept equal, by hatchet, axe, and saw…”

Bree Royce
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Bree Royce

The complaint wasn’t about jealousy but about game balance.

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Arktouros

Except everything you can get from the tent you can get in game as well.

So it is about jealousy and not game balance.

Bree Royce
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Bree Royce

Being able to buy it in-game too doesn’t fully negate pay-to-win complaints for many anti-P2W people. It does undermine the “just jelly” dismissal, though.

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Arktouros

I mean my criteria is simple: Show me someone who’s won because of a particular item and then we can start talking about pay2win.

The fact is that people, in order to make their pay2win cases, usually have to do some absurd math equation to figure that out and what it all usually boils down to is time. X item saved you Y amount of time and Y time is worth Z resources/money/goods in game. Except the reality is there’s going to be a guy who spends three or four times as much time as most of these people spend in game and he’s going to crush everyone cause they put more time into the game so they have better gear and skill experience to play the game better.

MMOs have always inherently be unbalanced that way that, fundamentally, they’re almost always time2win and most cash shop items simply save you time. However there’s no smoking gun here, there’s no tent upgrade or buff that just gives you auto kill powers over anyone who didn’t pay and it’s disingenuous to try to associate the pay2win label because people were unable or unwilling to pay $50 for a tent to save themselves travel time in game to get the exact same benefits.

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Peregrine Falcon

This isn’t what P2W means, Bree.

If I can grind the Legendary +5 sword in game and also buy it in the cash shop that’s NOT P2W. If I can ONLY get the Legendary +5 sword in the cash shop, and the best in game swords are only +4, THAT’S P2W.

I do play BDO and this tent isn’t even close to P2W. It literally only saves you time. That’s NOT P2W.

Bree Royce
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Bree Royce

Sure it’s what P2W means. It’s just a more palatable version of P2W than the kind where paying actually gets you better stuff than what’s in the game. You’re paying to win either way.