Star Citizen: Subber PTU access ‘perk’, developments in the Crytek lawsuit, and patch 3.0.1

    
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Who says subscriptions are dead? Not Star Citizen. The alpha MMORPG has long taken a page out of the Pathfinder Online playbook by offering a subscription service for backers.

But PTU players were apparently sent an email blast this week with the “special announcement” that by “popular request, first-wave PTU access for all Subscribers is now a permanent perk for 2018,” meaning that if you want to be sure you get in to the early test server and get in early, you’ll have to pay for the privilege on a monthly basis, and the thousand bucks you’ve put in on ships doesn’t count.

It does not mean, note, that you can’t play the alpha without a sub; you’ll just get in during subsequent waves – and of course, you can still play the current stable release. Nevertheless, the word “paywall” has been kicked around as people express annoyance with the new status quo.

In other news, during yesterday’s subscriber town hall, CIG confirmed that 3.0.1 is indeed in the works. (It’s at about the 50-minute mark.)

And how’s the Crytek lawsuit going? CIG has apparently filed its second response in the ongoing drama, rebutting Crytek’s last response. As YouTuber Law details, CIG is pointing to a provision in its original license agreement limits liability and damages from contract breaches (Crytek has argued wilfull breaches wouldn’t count). It’s just now getting interesting!

Finally, don’t miss this week’s episode of dudes talking into webcams.

Cheers, Cotic.

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Ryan Goodman

Hang on to your hats, cause next week CIG will introduce VIP levels!

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daggerbite

Don’t worry we got this – http://starcitizen.wikia.com/wiki/Titles

Completionist [$15000]

15k for a pc game that isn’t released.

The higher levels get invited to special events or get to buy monocles, I can’t source this right now though

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Kevin McCaughey

I just want someone to come along and shoot this poor animal to put US ALL OUT OF OUR MISERY!!! How much more of this nonsense is the human race supposed to endure? I just want this all to be over – I am so sick of Star-fucking-citizen and CIG and their three-ringed circus. This has got to end. Shoot it in the head, PLEASE….

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Blazing Coconut

Why would you be in misery?

Just ignore it and don’t give them money. Problem solved. If you see a SC headline bypass it and you never have to worry about it again. It’s not like they’re coming and kicking your door down.

Besides, it’s good entertainment. I spent $20 on some beta package and I kind of feel this is my payout until it finally releases.

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Kevin McCaughey

Like most other people, I can’t help myself when the SC clickbait comes up. I just can’t take my eyes off a good car crash. Like millions of others I am sat by my computer waiting for this thing to go “BOOM!!” It is just a matter of time.

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mike foster

I’m convinced Star Citizen is an ARG where the “game” is just a cycled ecosystem centered on talking about Star Citizen.

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knecht_rootrecht

Hmm, I would disagree with the article. It makes it sound as the development of the game is now behind a subscription paywall which is wrong imho. Every backer is getting access to the live servers and usually also to PTU. Just the invites to the PTU is always handled in waves and subscribers are now the first after the Evocati closed tester group.

So regular backers get also access but a bit a week or two later, hardly the scandal that someone tries to make it here.

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dsmart

You should probably read it again, because that’s not what it says.

Regardless, the issue is that it wasn’t enough to have backed the game, but they are using subscriptions in order to create a caste based system that separates backers. Now they have made it permanent so that anyone who wants access to a patch build, should be a subscriber.

The Evocati nonsense was just that. Nonsense. And this was evidenced by the on-going disaster that is the 3.0 patch that was in Evocati for almost two months, then despite protests from those testers, it was released to PTU, then subsequently to live in order to capitalize on the holiday period and anniversary sales. We’ve all seen the results.

And no, the time from Evocati to PTU to live hasn’t been a “week or two later”. That’s patently false.

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knecht_rootrecht

You should focus on your own products since Chris Roberts is way out of your league, as usual.

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Joe Blobers

What is patently false are yours prophecies of Doom… all proven false… every 90 days indeed :)
As usual any news about Star Citizen is another opportunity to try to create havoc between people… meanwhile CIG did reached 178M$… and keep going 2M$ on average… despite having clear signal of not having SQ42 in 2018.
As usual a good lie rather than truth right DS? Being a subscriber is not mandatory to reach PTU but give a sure ticket to get in.

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Armsbend

So it seems people are happy about paying a sub so they can create more content to raise more money – that they were going to make anyway.

I don’t think anything will top this. I really don’t.

The above two sentences is the one thing I’ll be wrong about concerning Star Citizen. It’s days like these I miss schlag.

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CasualSlacks

Perhaps, there’s no good that comes from assuming that most people will pay a sub just to get early access to the a test server of a game in alpha for which they already have access to the most stable version.

Besides, I’m tired of seeing games that I like fail because they can’t make money. What I’ve played with in Star Citizen I really like and I’m really interested in getting more of it. However, at this time, I’m not inclined to pay more for it. If people with money want to spend it on ephemera and hype, I can only hope that they continue to do so after launch.

Like my grandma used to say, “Let the whales whale until they wail.”

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Kevin McCaughey

Where’d Schlag go?

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mysecretid

Schlag decided he was going to “step back” from making satirical gaming memes. He seemed to feel that while he’s had a great run with that, he wanted to stop while he was still making good work. Quit while he was ahead, and all that. We may still see him around here, but probably not as much, and maybe not with memes to offer.

I know, I kinda wished he could do his thing forever as well. He was so damn good at it.

Cheers,

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Kevin McCaughey

That’s a shame, but wherever you are, good luck to you Schlag :)

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Space Captain Zor

Ahem..

Let’s say you are a Community Subscriber and NOT a “backer” of Star Citizen, (aka, you have no game package) you DO NOT have any access to any version of the Alpha, PTU or otherwise.

That is not what this subscription is for. This is not simply a paywall to early access to the game.

A Community Subscription to Star Citizen is the same exact thing as a Patreon Subscription to MassivelyOP and NEWS FLASH they both reward perks.

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Estranged

How would you feel about Bree asking for Patreon if she had raised 170 million? Heck, how about 5 million?

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Lethality

They have offered subscriptions since literally day 1. They have changed and added perks over time. They aren’t asking for anything to play the PTU – they are simply adding a guaranteed wave 1 seat as a perk.

Which, by the way, you can also be in wave 1 randomly or via other means.

There is literally nothing to see here, move along.

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Estranged

other than being beggars

lol

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Damix Chalan

Optional subscription model is common to many mmo-s. It’s a business practice companies often do since they have costs during their development time. It is not unusual for games of this scale to have even larger costs, but difference is – their development is happening behind the closed gates so people are not aware of it, while SC/S42’s development is transparent from the start.

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Space Captain Zor

I would say that’s not an equal analogy since MOP is just one product, currently, which you could liken to other content creations on other outlets where the creators are paid by their advertisement platforms as well as their supporters.

Star Citizen/Squadron 42 is a product being developed with the “170 million” whereas the subscriptions are there solely to fund the creation of expanded community content above and beyond what their original budgets allowed for.

If Bree already had a huge endowment to use to produce MOP and then started asking for a new source of income, like Patreon, then Bree would need a new product for that fund to make any sense.

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shear

The subscriptions are meant to be used as a way for them to produce the community content, the lore videos, the update videos if I understand correctly. So if the subscriptions stopped then all the video content on their youtube would stop? See I ask that because I wonder if CiG can actually afford to stop making them regardless of whether or not the community pays for them.

The growing unrest in the community during the summer of 3.0 launch was increasing at an alarming pace. Now imagine if there were no updates of any kind other then some text on the forums. How much more amplified would it have been then. These videos are meant to dampen the fire as much as they are to inform the supporters of the current development.

The point I am trying to make here is that, while CiG claims that the money allows this content to be made for the community, the truth is that this content has to be made because if it wasn’t there would be pitchforks. Now have they said that the boost in the subscriptions would lead to more content? Better content? Higher production value content? If they haven’t then where is this extra money going if not for the development of the game like some people here claimed?

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Space Captain Zor

Watch anything from season 1 of Around the Verse, you’ll see the production value has risen quite a lot.

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Joe Blobers

Quote Shear: “while CiG claims that the money allows this content to be made for the community”
The point is that any company will use some cash to promote and communicate. Difference is that because of Crowdfunded nature of the project, subscribers do provide specific cash bucket to be used by CIG for this very purposes while others backers money is used for game development.
Even without subscriber, CIG will do some sort of communication btu this extra money do allow better, longer and/or more often differents type of communication.

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ichi sakari

This is my least favorite SC thing, this is pay-to-access

1) Disincentivizes bug reporting

The PTU was supposed to have limited access based on commitment to reporting issues – the more effort one made to report bugs was rewarded with earlier access, so that Evocati are the hardcore under NDA who get the roughest new builds, then Wave 1, Wave 2, Wave X, each group larger to allow for stress testing but basically to assist QA with bug reporting.

This reduces the incentives to report issues, because Evocati is pretty full and not much turnover, and you’ll get in anyway so … of course people will continue to report bugs, but this doesn’t help.

2) Pollutes the deep testing environment

Early on when we got into Wave 1 we were playing with people who had also contributed and were (more or less) serious about testing, now when subs get in I notice there’s not as much testing going on, but more people actually trying to just play, and getting frustrated because its not ready to play, because … (wait for it) … its still in a PTU phase of pre-alpha. Reading chat during sub access there’s so much bitching and XSBS, more than a little griefing, and that seems counter to CIGs stated goals (although it is consistent with making more bank)

3) Changes the rules

This is not consistent with the idea that pledging gave access. By redefining the PTU as a separate thing from the PU, its now legit to ask for a monthly sub to play the latest version. For me the PTU is the most recent, albeit experimental, build, and as a backer I should get access to that. Its semantics to say this is PTU and separate from the game. Makes me wonder what else is going to require additional cash input.

Let me clear here, if you pledged and supported the game you can wait a few days/weeks for the latest build, if you want in now you have to pay more. That’s a way to increase revenue, but not a good way to treat customers.

4) Muddies up the whole Subscriber thing

This pollutes the ‘subscriber’ pool, originally we could subscribe if we wanted to support the production of SC community management media. I was able to ‘vote with my wallet’, if I approved of the stuff coming out I could help fund it, when I thought it was weak or amateurish I could withdraw my support. This muddies up that water, but apparently makes buck because a lot of folks seem willing to pay to experience the process

5) More bad optics

It appears tone-deaf, and its another in a long list of plans, features, policies that CIG has flipped and/or flopped, Evocati are still the front line of bug reporters, but after that it’s just stress testing – and CIG marketing realized that they could squeeze out a little more $. You can read through this comment section and see the ammo it provides (even if most of the stuff from the critics on here is over the top, inaccurate, or misleading).

One of my hopes for SC was that it would be a little different from the rest of the money-grubbing MMOs out there, where the rules changed and everything always changed for the more expensive, more restrictive. It’s still my game, its still got so much potential, but this isn’t good, and what makes it worse is that there’s no real reason for it, its just a few more bucks that they would get anyway. It feels slimy, or maybe shady, or maybe just a little too much like everything in corporate game develop where you have to read the fine print, but don’t bother because it’ll change anyway.

Here’s the thing tho

Our political leaders (I’m American so bear with me here), like em or not, they’re in office because we voters put them there. If we continue to vote them in we get what we deserve, and all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth is just a tear in the ocean. Apparently this is not a big deal to most of SC community, there’s one thread on Reddit and nothing on Spectrum, so it appears that most people either don’t give AF or are actually OK with this. Guess what that means.

forgiveness please for wall o’ text,

TL:DR not good, most of the haters on here are still hilarious in their hate for this game, but this time I’m not happy

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most backers either don’t pay attention to the game on purpose or have written it off or a combination there of.

you more or less had me until that bit tho. some good points in there. so cheers.

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Space Captain Zor

So, SC and SQ42 should be F2P? (disclaimer, I only read your first few lines and not the whole wall of text)

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ichi sakari

you’ve got it flipped, SC in all its available versions should be available to those who have backed the game financially, except for the extreme case of Evocati who have demonstrated a commitment to testing and have signed an NDA

if you want to have a meaningful conversation its important to understand what the other person is saying, that requires effort

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Space Captain Zor

Well, what I don’t understand is that you don’t seem to understand. You say it should be available to those who have backed. Well… it is. Maybe not to everyone all at once at the same time, but it ultimately is. This is game testing, and as many many other studios handle it, they release access to it in waves of people. They simply have chosen to put people who choose to spend more at the front of the lines, just like Disneyworld.

Try to not be condescending though would you?

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ichi sakari

they were handling it as ‘game testing’, by prioritizing PTU access based on proven record of participation in the issue council

this is pay-to-access, prioritizing fresh cash over those who a) have contributed, and b) those who backed the project by pledging

so your DW analogy breaks down, because folks paying $10 now get priority over someone who paid $890 last year, not even Disney is that callous

if you’d have read through my post you would have known that this is how I see it, forgiveness please if you felt I was condescending – the illogical conclusion that you drew in your earlier post, combined with your admission that you really hadn’t digested the ideas I put forward before jumping to that ridiculous conclusion provoked me to suggest that you read before you reply

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Space Captain Zor

You still do not fully understand, then, if you still think it’s pay-to-access. Your statement, as taken literally, would suggest there is NO access to the content in context, in this case a future PTU release, unless one has a paid subscription. And that is just not correct.

My DW analogy holds up just fine if you would understand that even without a sub people will still have access to test the PTU release. Even without having paid $890.

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ichi sakari

if a person is an Evocati or a Wave 1 tester because of their past participation in the issue council, then this is no big deal for them, for everyone else paying for a subscription provides access to the latest content earlier than one would get without a sub – that is pay-to-access

since you keep using that word let me make it ‘understandable’. Someone sees a new PTU, if they wish to participate (and they haven’t paid their Issue Council dues) they must pay, or wait. Right?

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Space Captain Zor

If anything it’s pay-to-shortcut. Like you said, pay or wait not pay or never have access. Which is obviously what everyone is trying to imply. Which is false. That’s what I keep trying to point out that you don’t see or refuse to see the distinction there. Keeping up the pay-to-access meme without acknowledging the fact that access isn’t actually RESTRICTED as long as you’re a backer is the only way this current internet agenda holds up its pitchfork.

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ichi sakari

Here’s the official policy for PTU which made sense and worked well, but someone at CIG saw an opportunity to monetize testing access because a lot of folks are willing to pay up. If you’re ok with paying to jump the line fine, pay up, I think its bad for all of the reasons I stated above. For some reason you’re not able to leave me to my conclusions.

I guess I’m not smart enough to see the distinctions that you’re making, and since you won’t respond to the points that I make, but instead continue to focus on your belief that I just don’t understand, I’ll end this by repeating my question – if I pay to subscribe then I’m able to play the most recent build, if I don’t pay then I can’t? right?

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Space Captain Zor

Look, I will apologize if anything I said made it seem like I was suggesting you aren’t smart enough. That was not my intent.

I really think that if monetizing the PTU access was their goal they would have announced this while 3.0 was in Evocatii testing. The sub has been around since before there was even a Hangar Module, so..

Anyway, tired of going around in circles with you. Leaving it alone now.

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AngryPacifist

I womder how some people get through a day if news like ths triggers them

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Lethality

They’re special.

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Estranged

O… M… G…

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Utakata

…and you feel threatened by that? o.O

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Bruno Brito

He’s special.

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Armsbend

Star Citizen news is some of the most entertaining game news you’ll ever find. It’s a company running a borderline criminal scam. Backers with more money than sense. Horrible software.

I think you are confusing triggered with true enjoyment! This stuff is awesome!

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Oleg Chebeneev

You are entertained by news. I am entertained by haters comments. Post of SC being “criminal scam” is 10/10 entertainment.

Isnt it great how SC brings so much joy to everyone?

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Bruno Brito

Yes.

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Armsbend

Building a bridge of peace

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Utakata

That’s not really an interesting question though. /shrug

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Space Captain Zor

Can I just point out that, from what I understand, this notice was ONLY sent to people already subscribing and not to the general public like a marketing blast? Did Disco mention it in any video this week? I don’t think he did. Maybe it gets mentioned in today’s ATV, I dunno haven’t seen it yet.

But anyway let’s not go twisting this into something it’s not. It is not a subscription to the GAME like World of Warcraft. It’s not a subscription to PTU or Live Alpha access. It’s not a subscription to Squadron 42. It is a subscription to support the production of community content and engagement ONLY. As a thank you to subscribers, you will receive various PERKS inside the Persistent Universe, etc. A new perk is this first wave PTU access, which, if you paid any attention to the 3.0 PTU release you would have known that this perk was old news months ago, albeit not permanent back then.

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Estranged

Hey Zor, I want to continue my comment up top.

This is the deal, subscription is just a bad term to use for marketing. Another blunder for them, in my opinion.

What would your average person think of when seeing the world subscription?

Netflix, WoW, FFXIV?

Also, paying a company (extra) that has brought in around 170 million to give updates? It is sorta bizarre. Come on, just admit it.

Have you seen this from any other crowd funded game?

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Space Captain Zor

I would say the average person needs to read more.

Also, yes, 170 million raised.. for development of the 2 games. The Community Subscribers do not pay into that fund.

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Estranged

Zor, we can rationalize the absurd, but this doesn’t negate the reality of the situation.

It’s bizzare.

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Space Captain Zor

The reality is the internet is a misinformed mob

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Erhan Altay

Are you admitting its TWO games now? Because if you are, that is a willful breech of the License Agreement between CIG and Crytek. GG.

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Space Captain Zor

Not sure if sarcasm…

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Alberto

Its absolutely 2 separate games, BUT the GLA they signed for whatever reason specifically mentions that Both are to be treated legally as One. Dumb move by Crytek doesn’t legally give them a pot to piss in”. The entire Crytek suit screams “lets settle out of court”

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Estranged

These issues are often settled out of court. So what?

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Cosmic Cleric

It is a subscription to support the production of community content and engagement ONLY.

A subscription to alpha/beta.

I’m living in interesting times.

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Space Captain Zor

I don’t even…

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Cosmic Cleric

Yes, you do. All the time.

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Space Captain Zor

Just not today.

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Cosmic Cleric

Heh, no, especially today.

All stupid non-sequitors aside, there’s a fair assessment to be made/had, that the majority would agree on. And I don’t think you are on the majority side of things on this one.

But feel free to say “I don’t even…” again, and we can start this up again from the beginning. /shrug

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Space Captain Zor

I’m sorry but what do you not understand about how you quoted what I said, being the factual information, and then repeated the exact same incorrect statement right after?

A subscription to alpha/beta.

That’s not what the subscription is for. Period end of line.

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Bruno Brito

That’s not what the subscription is for. Period end of line.

Prove it.

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Space Captain Zor

Bruno,
Do you not see my comment up above with the image attached describing precisely what the subscription is for?? If not, you are welcome to go to https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/subscriptions and see for yourself.

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Space Captain Zor

I haven’t denied at all what the sub is actually, originally, or currently for (it has not changed from day 1) or what the perks actually are. Thing is, most commenters aren’t accurate on either as they’ve been talking about it/criticizing it.

That perk, though, still requires already being a paid backer with alpha access–an important point being left behind in the dust of the mob’s stampede to get to the punchline.

I won’t deny that of course there will be new subscribers who get in just for that perk. That’s a mistake they’re free to make on their own, imo. I personally don’t think it’s worth it and I’m also not a subscriber.

So I have to ask, how is simplifying this as “subbing for earliest alpha access” no different than simplifying a Patreon subscription to this website as being “earliest MOP Podcast access” ? I think that’s disingenuous to those who sub to support ALL of the journalism of this site, not just a podcast, as well as those who sub simply to support the extra level of community content CIG is enabled to produce from their community subscribers. Those perks in both cases are an extra bonus and may or may not matter at all to many people. They’re just happy to support the initial cause.

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Space Captain Zor

It is a functional difference if you choose not to throw away the concept that there could be people who read things and subscribe blindly thinking ten dollars is gonna get them alpha access for a month. Or that there could be people who aren’t ready to become a full pledged backer and are maybe only interested in supporting their weekly shows if they enjoy them. That last part is less likely to happen, sure, but I wouldn’t completely rule it out. Doing so is just to suit an argument from one side.

Having perks is an incentive to get people to subscribe to something, right? That is the comparison I’m trying to make between CIG and MOP. Your primary products are vastly different and you both have multiple sources of revenue but you both offer a way to bring in subscription revenue and you BOTH incentivize that through perks.

We aren’t selling you a product and asking you to test it for us for an additional fee

And neither is CIG asking people to pay EXTRA to test the game. Yes, they are selling a product and you CAN test it if you want to if you bought it. And if you REALLY have a need to test it as soon as humanly possible you can work your way up through the Issue Council and become a member of the Evocatii test group, or in lieu of that get earlier access through these perks. Why on Earth is that so sensational?

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Bruno Brito

That picture proves what?

What, Chris promised it wouldn’t be ill-used so it won’t be ill-used?

Are we also believing in the toothfairy here?

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Space Captain Zor

If I follow your line of logic, then anything Chris says cannot be trusted, right?

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Cosmic Cleric

being the factual information

I respectfully disagree. I believe that your perspective on the matter is not the ‘factual’ one. I realize that you think it is, and that’s why you keep replying. What I have been trying to tell you is that your perspective is not the majority/accurate one.

At this point, we’re not going to agree, since we have two very different perspectives on the matter. So, as you say, ‘EOL’.

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Space Captain Zor

I neither have an accurate or inaccurate “perspective” on this at all, nor do I need to. The truth of the subscription is there for all to see should one bother to look at it since it’s in print on their website… on the store… the store you’d use to enter into the subscription. Are you simply saying that their website is lying?

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the sub has long been a topic of debate amongst backers alone let alone outsiders. are you surprised when outsider react to just the perception of this?

you notice me who you know knows exactly what teh sub is not bothering to correct people in this thread who don’t know what teh sub actually does (outside of the “it;s for the (marketting) only” shit) and there really is no point. it just looks bad on their part that they talk so much and don’t say much worthwhile and they pull something like this and it isn’t what it looks like but it’s also bad enough for what it is.

and that’s just teh continued poor messaging by this company. that isn’t bad because they are being upfront and honst but the opposite because they are not being those things. but bad because they routinely say and do stupid things that are just not even i drank too much bad decision territory.

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Space Captain Zor

Idk man, it’s called a Community Subscription. Pretty plain English to those who want to bother to read and really understand and not just look for stuff to sensationalize.

When they first started to offer it I went “hmm, what’s this?” and clicked.. and read… and went oh ok, not for me.

It’s no different than being a Patreon of this here site. If people would stop foaming at the mouth they might notice that.

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deekay_plus

well now they’ve added early access on top of early acess to it. how do you expect people to react?

and it’s absolutely different from patreon on this site. in just so many ways. it’s unfathomable.

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Space Captain Zor

Ever been to Disneyworld? Seen those “skip to the front of the line” tickets? Everyone gets to ride the ride, but some have to wait a little longer if they “only” paid for park admission.

Not saying I agree with it, but I can’t in good faith criticize it unless I want to go criticizing a lot of other businesses and companies.

And how is a community content creation subscription different from one site to another?

List some of those so many ways, if you would.

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“skipping to the front of the line” in this case is a new precedent in the kind of behaviour that is being widely criticized in gaming circles rn. i mean what do you expect?

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Alberto

This isn’t a NEW thing they have done it before, all the drama over this came and went more then a 6 to 8 mos ago. Concierge has been getting in First wave as well. People have been complaining about how little the Sub was worth for years so they added more perks to it..meh?

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the news is that it’s pemanent for 3.x patches that subscribers get in first and that that they are advertising it as such to keep people subbing.

teh sub is still worthless with this imo btw. it’s just now that it comes with an extra helping of cringe desperation and elitism which doesn’t at all help anyone but CIG’s bottom line at the expense of their already questionable image.

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Space Captain Zor

You’re still dancing around the reality that subscription dollars do not go to the “bottom line” in the way you imply. It’s only used for expanded community content creation and production. If you’re someone who doesn’t care about that production quality and you could get by just fine with a written monthly report and screenshots and the low budget “Wingman’s Hangar” style weekly show then of course the subscription will have always been worthless since absolutely none of the in-game perks have ever been said to be exclusive as far as I remember. In other words at some point in the future you can get all that flair in-game on your own if you want it.

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yes ofc all revenue goes to the bottom line in every business ever.

the dilleneation of the sub vs sales with sc is an on paper marketting distinction only and has no real bearing on the accounting of their revenues and so on.

that’s just not how business operates in any capacity or industry whatsoever.

they may in their internal accounting earmark that specific revenue stream for that specific cost area but overall all of it still goes towards the bottom line.

and i’m pretty sure all teh sub flair is exclusive just like the sub exclusive limited ship sales they often use to promote the sub on their social media and so on. just like with this first wave on ptu thing.

they’ve nver ever said any of the veteran backer flairs and subscriber flairs would be obtainable in game later. in fact i’m pretty sure they’ve routinely used the word exclusive to describe them.

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Space Captain Zor

I did say in the way that you imply, as in, the internal accounting earmarking a specific revenue stream to one to one thing or another as you put it. The majority opinion on this entire topic is that CIG is asking for subscriptions to fund the development of and grant priority access to Star Citizen, which is just incorrect.

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unless they open their books to backers then we don’t really know how they actually spend their money and so far this lawsuit has shown they have a fairly large number of shell companies in their accounting strategy which indicates a desire to obfuscate their books in shady ways anyway

(as there’s really no good reason for a company this size do that)

so really beyond taking their marketting at face value that i don’t think they’ve affirmed it goes only to their weekly marketting effforts in some years now there’s no legitimate reason to assume it doesn’t go towards development or w/e costs (like those expensive full wall murals thy seem to have a new one every week for atv adn all over their offices in various videos)

which if anything it’s amazing in a medium where the general thing is to take game developer’s public statements and marketting with at least a dose of skepticism, you guys instead not only swallow whole CIG’s every tid bit of marketting at face value but run with it and nitpick others for quetioning it or not regurgitating the PR line verbatim.

despite you know all their marketting statements that have proven to be complete bullshit over the years on a regular basis.

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Space Captain Zor

Yes, truth is we don’t really know. Everything else is speculation flavored one way or another by skepticism or optimism. I choose optimism. I choose to take them at face value as I have no real reason to feel that they are intentionally or negligently corrupt with how they’re handling the business.

If someone at some point reveals a smoking gun then so be it.

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Estranged

Zor, it’s cool to pay them to run infomercials.

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Space Captain Zor

They were doing them and would do them anyway, it just wouldn’t be as slick as it is now–ie, Wingman’s Hangar.

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Estranged

DK, I think we have a new definition of white knighting.

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Oleg Chebeneev

What are those “debates” you are talking about and where I can read them? Since I dont remember much of those and Ive been reading forums and SC subreddit for years. Vast majority of fans are grateful to subbers because sub money are used to create SC shows fans love and watch. While in no way sub is harming SC developement.

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if you say so bub.