Lineage 2 players are upset over Circlets of Power

    
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Cool, great, grand.

So let’s do our best to break down how the latest kerfuffle in Lineage 2 started up. First, the game introduces a new set of items in the cash shop, the Circlets of Power, which are the best items you can get for that particular slot when fully upgraded. That’s going to definitely attract some cries about pay-to-win. Then, the upgrade process for those Circlets is also not assured. That’s also bad, but at least you still have the Circlet, right? Oh, except you have to upgrade them to +5 and a failed enchantment reverts the item to +0, that’s worse.

But… what if you also made the upgrade item a cash shop purchase? It’s like a lockbox where you gamble on how much more money you have to spend!

Do we even need to specify that players are unhappy about this? Because they really, really are. The announcement thread has also become the discussion thread, which prompts some speculation about whether or not the game will be balanced around the upgraded circlet or if it’ll be balanced around worse gear, thus rendering the circlets game-breakingly powerful. It also doesn’t really matter, because… yeah, this is kind of gross.

Source: Official Site, Official Forum; thanks to Martin for the tip!
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Triona Falconer

Goodness… never played the game (never will). Very thankful to have Camelot Unchained to look forward to. IMO almost all the newer games out now seem like they are just glorified scam artists operating under the guise of an MMO.

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Diego Lindenmeyer

welcome to Lineage 2 ..
That is why i botted a lot , only way to support this shit and be able to PVP a little, because if you dont spend ~1k+ you are fuckd.
ps: years go, glady i leave this … Privates are way better if you want to start

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shibby523

In before they introduce an item that increases your chances to upgrade the item.

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Utakata

I prefer triangles and hexagons of power. <3

Alyn
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Alyn

This is certainly NOT the first time controversy has risen its ugly around L 2. In fact NC Soft has had to deal with many, many in-game problems that have interfered with game play and quality of life on servers. I played L2 from 2004 until the middle of 2006.

I was never so relieved to find an alternative, (World of Warcraft), to this the madness that was the daily grind many pitfalls found in the game. It is quite popular, especially in Europe and Brazil, however I dare say there are fewer old school people like me that remember old Gustin server.

Reading this article brought to mind some of the heartbreak and constant cheating and simply downright poor attitude brought during my time there.

That said, Lineage 2 has one of the most outstanding soundtracks even to this day. Whenever I hear the tune about the village of Dion I actually do tear up. Yes, I did have some memorable and good times. It was after all my first mmo experience. There were some very good folks from both America and Europe that I made lasting friendships with, to this day.

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Vigo Martel

This, the Elven Village theme, and the West Rounfare theme from FFXI all make me so very nostalgically sad.

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Xijit

The funny part is that while AAA visuals will always wither with age, AAA music never does.

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squid

Yup. Found myself jamming out to the Sword of Vermilion soundtrack yesterday.

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angrakhan

It’s stuff like this that make me despise the whole F2P model. A subscription in my opinion is the most fair monitization model for everyone involved. The player doesn’t have to become a whale to be competitive, the developer has a constant revenue stream assuming they don’t mess the game up. Both sides have some skin in the game. I’ll gladly pay a sub to avoid these kinds of predatory shenanigans.

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Xijit

I knew it felt like something was missing from the MMO market, and here is what it was: NCsoft had been gone from the “Look who fucked up now!” spotlight for too long.

I am really surprised that it was L2 though, my money would have been on a B&S fuck up since the game is actually making money now … or at least an AION fuck up with the new expansion … so I guess the old dogs can still throw a curve ball or two. Or maybe it was that they had all their fuck ups scheduled for MxM, and when that got shut down (early) they had to scramble to toss together a basic fuck up on the fly.

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Melissa McDonald

Pay To Win…

Those who decry it are those who are unwilling to spend more than the next player. Class warfare, or cheapskates? Are those who decry it claiming to be economically disadvantaged? Or are they simply unwilling to pay what someone else is willing to pay?

I’m sorry, but I don’t have an ounce of sympathy for this. Not only is it almost exclusively a PvP issue, but what makes people who hate this policy think they are in a place of authority where they can dictate game design to other players who ARE willing to spend, and the game developers and companies themselves, who must make a profit or the game you want to play won’t exist?

We seem to live in an age where people want everything for free without an inkling of what “operating costs” even means.

You vote with your wallet. Oh dear, that means spending money. Ain’t no free lunch, people. If you want PvP, suck it up. Or play another game.

YMMV.

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Colin Goodwin

Delusion, convince yourself

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Melissa McDonald

I’m already convinced.

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Colin Goodwin

Lol, that much is clear.

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Nathan Aldana

“I am a Bot”

Translated again.

Xijit
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Xijit

Melissa has been around for quite a while.

… at least as long as I have been, maybe even longer.

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Bruno Brito

So?

Xijit
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Xijit

So … No, they are not a bot.

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Utakata

So has Mr. Nathan (according to his avatar choice). And he was likely figuratively speaking, so no need to take that literally, lol. o.O

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Xijit

LoL, I do not at all agree with what (s)he(?) is saying about P2W not being an issue, but the personal attacks about it seem unnecessary.

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Utakata

Well…that’s another issue entirely. However, you where wording it like you where taking him too literally. So there was some unintended confusion when taking your position at face value. :)

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Bruno Brito

Those who decry it are those who are unwilling to spend more than the next player. Class warfare, or cheapskates? Are those who decry it claiming to be economically disadvantaged? Or are they simply unwilling to pay what someone else is willing to pay?

This is as personal as it gets.

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Nathan Aldana

I find that people with odious views tend to get very mad when you accuse them of being a bot. Hence the doing of such.

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Nathan Aldana

let me condense down your paragraph to a much more readable format

“I think company towns and company scrip were a great idea and capitalism is worse for their loss. All hail my benevolent corporate overlords, may they live long and prosper off my glorious and willing economic suffering””

I think I pretty accurately reflected the tone and scope of your post yes? Maybe i toned down the grovelling and obeisance to your glorious corporate overlords a bit, and for that I apologize.

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Xijit

I up-thumbed because the first part was good snark & I always up-thumb good snark, but then you ninja-ed in the second part it is just being an asshole, so I wish I could take back the up-thumb.

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Nathan Aldana

I mean,. fair. I simply felt I hadnt been sarcastic enough.

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Colin Goodwin

*slow clap*
It amazes me how vehemently people will defend being bent over by greedy companies.

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Utakata

“Are those who decry it claiming to be economically disadvantaged? Or are they simply unwilling to pay what someone else is willing to pay?”

Does that really matter?

Sympathetic or not, folks’ reasons…to which I suspect are more numerous and complicated than you are leading on, are really irrelevant to this discussion. Rather the question that should be raised: Are the claims and concerns of those who critical of this model valid and just? Therefore, the debate should based on that only, instead of moving it to the ad hominem for the high fives. Just saying.

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Vigo Martel

I’ve read what you are saying, but:

I’m gonna moan and cry and wail forever about pay-to-win models, cause they suck, they suck hard, they suck a monumental amount, they are sucktastic, if you will.

I’ve already voted with my wallet, ftp is fine, though I prefer subscriptions, and I’ll even support it financially through a cash shop, hell even outside a cash shop I’d be willing to donate funds((voluntarily subscribe basically)), until the second it becomes PTW, then its garbage to me. Voting with your wallet also includes the act of back handing the game and walking away from it with my wallet in tow.

Why do I think I have the authority to say anything about this, cause I said so, I need no other authority. Much like if I see someone sticking their hand on a hot stove, I’m gonna call them an idiot and tell them not to do it. If you wanna moan about my moaning, well bully for you, you have the personal authority to do so. Much like I am currently moaning about your moaning.

I think I’ve just doubled the amount of times I’ve said moan in my life.
~Moan~

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Bruno Brito

No one is asking for your sympathy.

That being said: Yeah, please, try to F2P PvE on SWL or Allods, and see that the issue is really just “PvP”.

It isn’t.