Guild Wars 2 fans grow impatient for episode 3 while Pride Month commences

The slow rollout of Guild Wars 2’s season 4 is starting to severely tax the patience of the MMO’s community and content creators. It’s now been three months since episode 2, and it might be longer than that, as ArenaNet admitted to a non-specific delay in the production of episode 3.

One content creator, that_shaman, publicly announced that he was walking away from his efforts for now due to the delay: “Alright, It’s clear I need a break from #GW2 content creation stuff.. Hopefully I’ll see you people around in 2038 when episode 3 is released!” Other fans have taken to creating parody videos like the one that you can see after the cut.

There is one thing that ArenaNet is doing this month, however, and that is changing its logo to a rainbow variant to mark Pride Month.

Fans seem to be having a lot of fun with the puns on this one. Here’s Noxxi’s “totally legit” trailer to make the wait go faster.

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Rainbows are beautiful and happy things to see.

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Duey Bear

My cousin is getting super impatient, but even he agrees that he would rather have a very late patch than a very broken patch.

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Greaterdivinity

I’m fine with this. Just picked up the expansion last week but haven’t had time to do much with it thanks to the new league in PoE. Hopefully they can give some updates to folks waiting so they have an ETA or at least more context for the delay.

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Alex Willis

Not going to go down the rabbit hole and try to justify Pride — why it’s important, or why companies might feel the need to promote a message of inclusivity. If you consider a logo that promotes inclusivity as representing the exact opposite, this discussion can only lead to bad places. Also, I should not need to do the heavy lifting. You obviously don’t understand what Pride means. Go Google, son. It’s your friend here.

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Alex Willis

This was supposed to be in reply to a comment below. But fine, it works as a standalone.

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TomTurtle

The impatience bit is a mixed bag. It’s typical for every release, though a sentiment I’ve seen expressed here and there has to do with the lack of replayability of the current content release system. It’s one sentiment I’ve encountered for myself as well sadly. While at face value the release schedule sounds decent, the actual content is failing to last for at least some of the playerbase. And I don’t think it’s fair to automatically dismiss that concern from those who have no content consumption problem.

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Brown Jenkin

Its weird seeing some of the hostility around the logo change… I mean its like folks haven’t been paying attention to any of the rest of ANet’s positive presentations of diverse characters throughout like the whole of GW2’s existence. Mostly just comes off as [various asshole groups we don’t want coming up in searches on our site] and the like finding some new thing to freak out about. The cries of “keep yer politics out of my gaming” definitely seem pretty absurd.

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TomTurtle

I don’t doubt some of the dissent comes from longtime players, there always are, but there have been new players, especially with the supposed Bless exodus.

I’m actually glad this is coming up now so soon after an influx of new players. It informs them of something I feel is an important stance from ArenaNet.

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Sariel

These same people probably don’t have any qualms about yelling politics in global chat channels.

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Utakata

Yep! Usually said as a dog whistle for not posting something they can agree with.

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The Living Story don’t feel so good.

Call Captain Marvel.

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I’m always a little baffled when people get upset over delays in GW2 Living World chapters. I play a lot of mmorpg’s and one thing I’ve always loved about GW2 is that they put out more quality and decently sized content far more frequently than other mmorpg’s.

I enjoy the story and I love the characters and the high quality of the work that goes into the Living World (often more than the actual expansions). I can wait a little longer for that.

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Arktouros

Are you like just purposely ignoring the whole debacle they had on their hands after HOT release where they basically went almost a year with no kind of story updates then dropped an expansion followed by almost another year of no updates?

There’s a history at work here man.

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That was before they had found their system. It’s been going fine since then. This is a minor hiccup.

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true they could have handled that a lot better but your 2 years with no new content is an exageration… late story release was january 13th, with hot launching october 23 so thats 10 months. post hot we had updates every month though its true first story update hit 9 months later.

its important to say before hot we had story updates every 2 weeks, essentially they never planned to go the expansion route and clearly had the bulk of their work force working on doing the livign world, when the fans made it clear they wanted an expansion they had to improvise, after finishing the living world they focused on finishing the expansion, and after finishing the expansion and polishing it a bit, they had to start working on the living world. They had to get their new stride especially since now every release had a new map released too.

In short there was a reason why there was that gab and its definitely not a case of history at work. Since then they for the most part stuck to their 3 month per episode schedule even when releasing the next expansion

most of the time actually delivered before the 3 month deadline lets not make a big deal if one time they needed to go a bit over (well hopefully its just a bit over, we’ll see)

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Riccardo Tavano

Sure, and I agree too that HoT was a management mess, but a 1 year content drought isn’t really comparable to…1-2 week more of wait ? 3 at most if we go for the long shot, but doubt it will be that much.

I’m kinda bummed myself, but hey…can’t do much about it and it isn’t such a big problem in the end. We had a 1 week delay on ep 1 too, but at least it had some quality stuff.

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Arktouros

Yikes.

So much for the plan to do WvW on the weekends, going to be shelving that ol GW2 again for quite a while. Not a fan of dragging topics into games that have no place there.

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Brown Jenkin

Frankly it seems much less inappropriate, gauche or generally in bad taste than fans complaining about developers decisions to include whatever social/political/whatever subjects they want in their game. LGBT stuff offends you, cool, one more reason to find something else to play I guess? At least it offers some spice and variety over the usual reasons people find to hate on games.

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Alex Willis

Huh? Are we playing the same game? It’s got freakin’ Halloween and Christmas festivals FFS. So those get a pass, but Pride “has no place”?

Gimme a break.

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Arktouros

If you’re playing GW2 currently we are definitely not playing the same game.

I’m not really a huge fan of Holiday festivals either, in games, but I like when they at least go through the effort of putting their own spin on things. GW2 does a great job of that with things like the Mad King for Halloween.

It has no place not because such topics offend me or I’m a closet racist/bigot/etc, as the low effort responses I’m sure will imply, but because social/political/whatever topics firmly have no place in gaming to me. Whether that’s pride month or black history month or anything else.

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Bree Royce

They changed their logo.

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Arktouros

A logo that symbolizes a group. A group that is a division of the whole.

We should be tearing down barriers, not reinforcing them.

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Alex Willis

uuuuggghhhhhh please tell me you didn’t just write that dude

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Dragon Whimsy

Social/political topics do have a place in gaming. It has a place in every art form.

You think it doesn’t have a place because everything has become so consumer driven and meaningless. Without soul. That says more about our slowly dying culture than it does about ANet.

The common reasoning is “I just want an escape from real life.” But the problem with that is EVERYTHING is an escape from real life now.

They changed their logo on their social media sites. You wouldn’t even have noticed it if M: OP hadn’t reported on it. So it’s not even really stopping you from escaping anyway except you want a reason to complain.

Don’t be a snowflake. A rainbow logo won’t melt you.

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Arktouros

Now THAT was a well thought out reply.

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Bruno Brito

Now THAT was a well thought out reply.

Lol.

Social critique ALWAYS had place in art. ALWAYS. There are brazilian musicians that were exiled when the military dominated the country. That’s a staple. Art is either a mean to keep the status quo, or to change it. It’s never irrelevant to it.

But you want to “break down” barriers? Then understand this:

No one is the same. No one has the same history, the same circunstances, the same morals, the same ethics of like the same bubblegum. Equality isn’t a army of clones, is ACCEPTING THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE IT DIFFERENT.

Accepting differences is the path to equality, not whatever YOU seem to think equality is. There’s a reason why people want to be proud of being LGBT+. Because it’s because they are, that they suffer.

Accept that. Move on. Stop trying to break barriers that you don’t even see. It’s not about us. It’s about the people who fight against that. They’re the ones who’ll break the barriers.

Not. You.

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no, a group doesnt necessarily mean division of the whole, a group can just as well be part of a whole. Like you have females and males just as a random example. does that divide humanity?

If you want something thats building barriers rather then tearing them down its stopping one group from expressing themselves or even celebrating their community. I didnt hear anyone saying hey this week is our week, anyone else who is not part of our group shouldnt be playing this game. You were the one who said I will not be playing this game because it is celebrating one specific group, thats whats divisive.

Just in case this was just a genuine misguided way of achieving a noble goal, I mean if you truly feel this way because you genuinely would like there be no need for any grouping whatsoever because at the end of the day we’re all one people then I’d ask you this. What would really help break down barriers, someone welcome people from any group to their game and urging them to come share the fun, or walking away from said game with the result of making said people feel unwelcome? just some food for thought!

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Arktouros

Most of that is just semantics though. Division, part of a whole, partitions, community, etc. It’s all different ways of saying the same thing: ways to divide up a group of people. I don’t support that, in any circumstances. Even if GW2 did a November Men’s Health awareness month event offering special beards in game I don’t think that has a place in gaming.

What would really help break down barriers, someone welcome people from any group to their game and urging them to come share the fun, or walking away from said game with the result of making said people feel unwelcome?

What breaks down barriers is treating everyone the same as our group. It doesn’t matter who you are, what you are, or what you believe in you’re here to game and you are welcome to be here. I don’t support showing how different people are, even if that comes at the cost of having to put up with the low effort accusations of bigotry, hatred, etc.

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Most of that is just semantics though. Division, part of a whole, partitions, community

No its not semantics, its perception.. here are 3 groups (1,2,3),(-1,-2,-3), (2,4,6) If you look at those groupings you could say they are small subsets of the over all group called real numbers. If you want can assign labels to them as well, you could say the first group is positive numbers, the second negative numbers and the third even numbers. Still none of that really detracts from the over all group of real numbers does it? just cause i listed some negative numbers in a group it doesnt mean real numbers no longer contains an negative numbers in it does it?

If I have have no prejudice what sense would it make for me to say we shouldnt group even numbers as this takes away from real numbers as a whole? What barriers am I really creating by saying any number less then 0 is a negative number or multiple of 2s are even numbers? Same exact thing here, grouping or labeling doesnt divide or create any barriers, it is how we perceive the group in question that matters.

Now I hope you made a little mistake here because if what you say you believe is true than for sure there shouldnt be any “our group”, there is the whole which in this case would be gamers. Now like with everything there is diversity, some gamers are old, some are young, some gamers are american some gamers are british, some are tall, some are short, some are left handed some are right handed. What does it matter? If arenanet decides to one day say hey left handed gamers, glad to have you with us what would that change? What division will that create? does it mean right handed gamers are not gamers? does it mean left handed gamers are no longer gamers? in truth it doesnt do any of those things, the only division is created by those who actually see a difference no one else. If you truly believe we are all gamers this wouldnt register any different then your typical shoutout.

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TomTurtle

LGBT Pride has always been explicit about being inclusive to more than just LGBT+ individuals.

The eventual goal is to be seamlessly integrated into society with no fanfare, but the intolerant make sure that pride is still necessary. If there’s anyone you should be getting frustrated with, it’s with the intolerant who make this an issue in the first place.

And just in case, no I don’t agree with the idea that things will simply sort themselves out without efforts like pride. Not standing up for ourselves would allow the intolerant to continue their status quo.

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If there’s anyone you should be getting frustrated with, it’s with the intolerant who make this an issue in the first place.

By all means show me the game that’s throwing on their support of intolerance and I’ll equally throw them some shade :P

I equally don’t think things will sort themselves out, and great fights have been had and progress has been made. However I also think after a point if you want true integration you have to be willing to take that step to give up the fanfare and simply integrate in. That doens’t mean giving up vigilance against hate, but eventually the parades have to end or they’ll just end up serving up as a reminder of our differences.

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“after a point if you want true integration you have to be willing to take that step to give up the fanfare and simply integrate in”

Regardless of anything else that’s been said, we’re not even close to that point – we’re generations away. And the lack of “integration” isn’t on LGBTQ+ people but on everyone else.

Edit: Also “give up the fanfare” for real?

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Arktouros

Regardless of anything else that’s been said, we’re not even close to that point – we’re generations away. And the lack of “integration” isn’t on LGBTQ+ people but on everyone else.

If the criteria for integration is at a level where you presume zero hatred will ever exist, then I have some super bad news for you cause there’s minorities out there who have existed for thousands of years who still have their detractors.

but on everyone else.

Again, it works both ways. My entire issue is the people who refuse to see that cause it means we’ll be doing this in perpetuity.

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Bree Royce

No, it doesn’t work both ways. People vocally expressing their humanity in the face of ongoing hatred and oppression are not in any way responsible for causing that oppression. Their theoretical silence or invisibility would serve their oppressors and no one else. They better than anyone understand how long it’s going to take not just to eliminate institutionalized discrimination but to cancel out, for example, centrist bystanders arguing about rainbow social media avatars in video game comment sections.

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I’m bringing up a rabbit hole I don’t really want to go down, but this is reminiscent of some of the cultural appropriation nonsense.

It used to be that if you got outside your self and tried new things that was admirable, but now if you want to eat a chalupa or put on an asian styled dress people scream bloody murder.

In your example, what are you integrating into? flavorless mush with a hint of antiseptic? It just seems like a strange thing to say. I mean, Easter has been going on for almost 2,000 years, isn’t it time to give that up and integrate? And what’s with this lunar calendar?

well, better give up pizza and panda express, we’re in america now, it’s only big macs from now on.

Why play mmo’s? Are you some malfunctioning drone loner non team player that thinks they’re better than everyone else? Why don’t you integrate and play fortnite.

Don’t get me started on Georgia and its peaches. Eat apple pie like the rest of us. And if you go to the ball game, you better not have a hot dog. peanuts and cracker jacks for you, bub.

I’m kinda getting flashbacks to my geometry teacher that wanted to get rid of racism by forcing people to marry someone of a different race. I mean, sure, within a couple generations everything would work itself out, but sheesh.

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Songs for Children

Acknowledging the existence of a substantial minority is “reinforcing [barriers]”? K.

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McGuffn

And this isn’t the first time they’ve changed it either.

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Not sure what to say, man. As Bree said, “They changed their logo”. If that upsets you but culturally-specific (read: not game-specific) religious festivals are OK, I think you might want to take some time and reflect on what’s really bothering you.

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Arktouros

I’m acutely aware of what’s really bothering me.

What you should be asking yourself is why does someone thinking everyone should be treated equally and no specific groups/causes being recognized bother you?

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Sariel

Maybe once everyone IS treated the exact same, the “pride” movements will stop. LGBT people are still being executed, put into camps in countries, and in first-world countries, being verbally abused and sometimes physically abused on the regular.

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Arktouros

Why would you stop treating people differently if they’re constantly telling you how different they are?

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Sariel

If that’s what you get out of the pride movement, you’re completely missing the point and I don’t think we have much to talk about until you further educate yourself.

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Arktouros

I’d hit you with a “The path to hell is paved with good intentions.” but I’m afraid someone would think it was a religious reference LOL

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Utakata

…and one that seems to apply aptly to your views, lol.

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Dragon Whimsy

That’s a way for the far right to say “Sit down, shut up, let us keep abusing you.” They have a pattern of doing that while doing everything they can to convince everyone (especially themselves) that they’re not wretched and hateful people.

Not saying that is where you’re coming from, but that is the general tactic. It’s nothing new or original.

Maybe you don’t deserve the response you’re getting here, maybe you do. I can’t say. But that is the reason people are responding negatively to your post.

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Arktouros

The fact that you bring up “the far right” is kinda exactly why I say these things are divisive. The urge is overwhelming to equally associate me with a group and then attack me as part of the group they’ve assigned for me.

As for the response, it was predicted. It’s waaaaaay easier to just press X for doubt and label away than accept someone might genuinely disagree with something for other reasons.

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Ben Stone

It’s great you think that people should be treated equally, but there are plenty of people that don’t. Not talking about this inconvenient truth allows those sentiments to grow and take hold, making younger generations think that this is acceptable behaviour. The only way to stamp out bigotry is to call it out, and for minorities to be visible.

I’m sorry if you have the burden of being in a large majority that isn’t discriminated against on a daily basis, and you don’t get any special awareness programs to make people aware that your group exists, that must be tough for you.

These type of awareness campaigns are very necessary, even today as society is making progress towards equality and these minorities are less openly targeted in public.

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social/political/whatever topics firmly have no place in gaming to me.

If it’s even possible for a game to be asocial/apolitical, it’d have to heavily remove a great deal of content, which I don’t believe the sincerity of this tired claim that people truly just want to avoid such topics in games. If it were sincere, the very same people would be calling out games in general for having anything resembling real life. And it’s even arguable that not having such elements present is a social/political stance.

I don’t buy it one bit.

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Arktouros

There’s plenty of asocial/apolitical content in most games. Not even sure where you’d get the assertion it’s otherwise.

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Utakata

…and you are complaining then because?

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Bruno Brito

There’s plenty of asocial/apolitical content in most games. Not even sure where you’d get the assertion it’s otherwise.

Which is irrelevant, because making the game itself isn’t.

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Bruno Brito

I’m sure will imply, but because social/political/whatever topics firmly have no place in gaming to me. Whether that’s pride month or black history month or anything else.

In a industry where developers are treated like shit, female coworkers get harassed and death-threatened, players are extreme assholes to eachother and news of political organizations getting mixed with gaming companies are starting to appear…There’s actually a place in it.

I’ve said once, i’ll say it again: The politics and bigotry and social topic you so dread to see into gaming WAS someone else’s gaming. Specially if they were the Developer and had to deal with political and social bullshit to put that game up for you to enjoy without giving a care in the world.

The universe doesn’t vanishes while you play. Wake up.

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Utakata

…if the shoe fits though. And I’ll take “low effort responses” any day over some turgid internet ramblings that go no where. Just saying.

Glad your not participating. Lot’s of folks will likely be happy about that! o.O

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Serrenity

Wow. Not that you care, but I just lost some respect for you.

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Arktouros

It’s not that I don’t care, it’s that I accept there’s nothing I can do about it.

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Chris Moss

Thumbs up, from me. Also wanted to say you are not the only one that feels this way. This takes away from the gaming experience for me. For those that say “BUT CHRISTMAS”, last I checked there are no MMOs that are preaching the birth of Christ during their events. It always some random snow related event, with trees decorated in lights.

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Bree Royce

How exactly does ArenaNet’s twitter avatar “take away from the gaming experience”?

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Bruno Brito

It doesn’t. For some reason, people feel vulnerable for seeing other people being acknowledged.

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Ben Stone

Hah “content creators”.

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abyssalstar

That’s what they are. They create video content for the community. Why are you mocking them?

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Bree Royce

I mean, I could understand rolling eyes over influencer nonsense, but the community people we’re talking about do heavy lifting – dataminers, quest walkthrough people, wiki contributors, modders, etc. When those kinds of people start to leave, it’s a flare signal Anet should pay some mind to.

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I think it’s worth noting that at least some of that_shaman’s frustration comes from ArenaNet heavily fiddling with the chat spam filter making his datamining job more difficult as well as a pain for other players in general.

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Sariel

Roleplayers in specific… :(

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kgptzac

Just that this article makes “content creators” a higher class than regular players that their displeasement is supposedly should be treated more seriously than the discontent from peon players.