Fortnite shuts down internet mob levying cheating accusations against $130K tourney winner

    
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So yeah, maybe it’s not the best idea in the world to accuse somebody who beats you (or your favorite streamer) in a video game of cheating unless you want to look like a sore loser.

That’s the takeaway from a recent Fortnite uprising that Epic Games put down over the weekend. A player named iDroPz_BoDiEs stood accused by the Reddit mob of cheating during the Fortnite Summer Skirmish tournament in which he took home $130,000 for his win; the accusers said his use of keyboard and mouse on PS4 was unfair and even theorized that he was paying random players to join and feed him free kills.

Epic Games has shut down pretty much every theory as well as pointed out that keyboard and mouse on console is not against the game’s rules, more or less shaming the players engaging in “unsportsmanlike conduct” in their accusations.

“Our internal Summer Skirmish analytics kept track of all opponents which participants eliminated. iDroPz_BoDiEs had 129 eliminations during the event and every single elimination was on a different opponent. This is not indicative of him having been intentionally fed eliminations and/or collusion with other players. Our analytics events also noted when players left the match prior to the bus deploying, and recorded those matches. iDroPz_BoDiEs did not join more than the specified 10 matches for the event, the narrative that he was leaving if the server wasn’t full or the bus wasn’t on a favorable path is false.”

Did I say the takeaway was “people don’t need to cheat to be better than you”? It’s actually that someone named iDroPz_BoDiEs just won $130,000 playing internet hide-and-seek. This is real life.

Source: Epic via Polygon
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draugris

If they would care about cheating they would create a controlled environment for everybody aka providing space, equipment and supervision of the tournament. That would be of course very expensive and that´s probably why they didn´t do it, but that´s also why I can´t take a lot of these so-called E-Sports events serious.

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Schmidt.Capela

That would be of course very expensive

Plus, it would make participating in the tournament harder, as the players would need to physically go to where the event is taking place, potentially putting the rest of their obligations on hold to participate in it.

Thus why it’s only feasible for either small local events (where no one is supposed to travel to take part) or the really big ticket events (where it’s supposed to be worth the effort for the players).

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draugris

Yep i can see that, otoh a 100.000$ tourney is basically an invite to cheating then, you don´t loose anything basically if you get cought, just your time.

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oldandgrumpy

Glad I don’t work in marketing at Epic.

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Godnaz

Wow, many comments are in straight contradiction with how the article was written. o.O That aside, Epic isn’t going to let people just sit there and critique how it chooses to operate its tournaments. Don’t like the tournament outcome? Don’t play the game. Don’t like how the article was skewed and misrepresented? Take your viewership and comments some place else.

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Tanek

My takeaway from this whole thing is that console players admit keyboard/mouse is the superior option. :)

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Gamie Glasglow

This is the real point of the article.

The best players use KB&M, obviously.

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Xijit

so if it is legit … does that mean it works right out the box and you don’t need one of those $100 KB&M adaptors / can just plug and play?

If so then I have a friend who will lose her mind over this news.

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Tanek

From what some are saying, it *can* be plug-and-play in this case. whether that is something determined by game or console, I have no idea.

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Schmidt.Capela

It’s up to each dev on whether to support alternate input methods with their games. From what I’ve seen, Fortnite supports KB+Mouse out of the box on PS4, and lots of people are asking for them to extend that support to the XBox and Mobile ports.

The $100 adaptor also isn’t all that people are saying; it translates mouse and keyboard inputs into gamepad inputs, with the caveat that they still follow all the limitations the gamepad has — so, for example, if it takes you a whole second to spin in place with a gamepad, it will take the same second to spin in place when using a mouse with the adaptor.

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Aaron Weddle

you can just use any USB keyboard and mouse Doesn’t seem to like wireless keyboards or mice that are not bluetooth but only some games support KB&M not everything will work with it

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Yoshi Senpai

Starting the week off early with another article about the evil reddit mobs!

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Arcsine Gaming

You forgot to mention the part where he initially was streaming on Twitch, and it was blatantly obvious other players were running up to him and running around him but not shooting back. When people started clipping and sharing the evidence, his channel was mysteriously “suspended,” removing the ability to view the clips. And he claimed the suspension, which occurred the day after the tournament, was because he used profanity from a Destiny stream years ago.

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Alex Js.

I’m sorry, guys, I generally like you, but both the title of this post and the article copypaste is wrong. FACT is, Epic fucked up with handling this whole event/tournament, and now trying to come up with a bunch of excuses and half-truths for what they did. And they didn’t “shut down” anyone with their laughable posts. For example, they state:

“There is no evidence that would suggest to us that iDroPz_BoDiEs played the competition using a mouse and keyboard”

Of course there isn’t. You know why? Because adapters like XIM4 or newer XIM Apex make the keyboard+mouse “look” like a controller to a console, meaning Epic cannot possibly detect if person uses controller or a kb+m through such adapter. Those adapters also allow some customizations and fine adjustments which aren’t available to controller players. This is why they (as well as things like special controllers) are outright forbidden from various serious tournaments, for example:
https://play.eslgaming.com/rainbowsix/europe-one/r6siege-one/open/ladder-5on5-europe/rules/

“1.1.4. Forbidden on Consoles

Usage of a non-licensed controller is strictly prohibited, it will be penalized with 3 penalty points. Usage of all console keyboard adapters is strictly prohibited, it will be penalized with 6 penalty points. If a licensed controller has a macro/turbo/auto-fire option, it cannot be used during league play, otherwise it will be penalized with 6 penalty points”

So it doesn’t even matter if that particular person is guilty of anything or not, all that matters is that Epic did screw up and did NOT care at all to provide a level playing field to all console participants of this event and they also did NOT care to prevent this controversy from ever occuring. This is what you should be writing about (preferably after doing a proper research), instead of copypasting “hurr durr, Reddit mob is out to get another person!!!!111” articles.

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Sorenthaz

Yeah Epic basically just said that they condone Xim4 because they can’t detect it.

Epic seems to have no idea wtf they’re doing with their esports scene, they’re literally just throwing money at people to make headlines.

Also it doesn’t help that the FortniteBR Reddit mods shut down further discussion after Epic made their ridiculous face-save post. It’s like Epic is pretty much doing whatever they can to make sure that their 500k tournament doesn’t get reported as a flop/failure by bigger media outlets who won’t have a clue as to what really was going on.

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Frank White

Your partial quote of their statement about keyboard and mouse use is misleading. The full quote is:

“There is no evidence that would suggest to us that iDroPz_BoDiEs played the competition using a mouse and keyboard. Furthermore, we do not restrict input device for players on our platforms in an effort to promote accessibility for our entire audience.”

So what they are essentially saying is that they didn’t see any evidence of him using a keyboard and mouse but even if they did it wouldn’t matter because IT’S NOT AGAINST THE RULES. And quoting some other game’s tournament rules, because you believe they have better rules, is evidence of nothing except the fact that you think the other game has better rules.

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Alex Js.

I did not quote part about the Epic’s “rules” because it is irrelevant – whether or not Epic thinks it’s ok for some console users to use advanced programmable adapters like XIM does NOT change the fact that it is highly unfair to other console users – to give you an analogy, it would be like me paying $100 for certain program from sites like ArtificialAiming and playing against other FPS PC player who would not be using it. This is still unfair, regardless of what Epic might say, and this is why every serious tournament for console gamers prohibits usage of such adapters/devices. THAT is the point I was trying to make, and this is also why so many people on Reddit were upset (or were making sarcastic replies after Epic’s statement).

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BalsBigBrother

Yeah competitive gaming for cash prizes always brings out the best in everyone. No one wins here and everyone looks bad regardless. Gamers are often their own worst enemies at times /sigh

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Utakata

…though this does seem to be the another case of the trolls getting trolled here. And how! o.O

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rafael12104

Hmm. The devil is in the details. Streaming is not required. M&K are not prohibited. No way his 100+ best friends helped him out. LOL!

So, IDrop… Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner!

Epic responded quite nicely. The whole book of unwritten rules according to butthurt gamers doesn’t apply in a real competition for real money.

You want to bitch? Bitch about changing the rules. Otherwise, accept you lost, and go out and buy a new M&K.

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Sorenthaz

Yep I’m sure this is going to become the norm now for some folks because rolling over console kids with a keyboard + mouse (which still gives aim-assist btw) is totally fine by Epic.

…Seriously though it’s so pathetically sad how Epic doesn’t give a care about having integrity for their competition. They’re practically begging people to find and exploit every little loophole that gives them the maximum advantage. I’m sure next we’ll see someone doing this shit on a tablet.

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Gamie Glasglow

That’s sports E or otherwise. Every edge, every bit of data & information, whatever you can do to get an edge within the rules or even outside of the rules. Competitiveness brings out the best and worst in people.

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Sorenthaz

Honestly in what world is it ever supposed to be okay to use a keyboard + mouse on console, especially when it requires using software + an adapter that can also further enhance the aim assist and let folks essentially play like they’re on PC but with aim assist against folks using controllers?

Epic’s set a really poor precedent here and is basically just begging folks to exploit loopholes and abuse their haphazard system. The fact that there aren’t separate divisions based on platform is kind of ridiculous, and a keyboard/mouse user can just roll over newbies on console now?

Also let’s quietly ignore the fact that the dude’s stats were average/meh up until this tournament where for 10 games he suddenly became a rockstar. That and he was a Solo Showdown high scorer, so there’ a high chance he was doing the same crap in order to place high on that event.

Epic comes off as wanting to save face and push the headline that they changed some random dude’s life. The actual tournament was a total mess with a horrible format and was a mix of Twitch/YouTube personalities + Solo Showdown top-100 players. Solo Showdown was also a messy event where if you ever disconnected from a match it would count against your total score, and you had to play 50 matches over the course of like 3-4 days while trying to place as high as possible in those matches meaning folks mostly just hid and camped since kills didn’t matter. Oh and they did this to block out Keemstar’s FortNite Friday tournament series which is also limited to $20k because Epic doesn’t want unofficial tournament prizepools to be higher than that.

Either way I guess Epic’s going to have to either deal with adding some structure to their future events or else folks are going to continue exploiting the loopholes Epic said they allow, assuming Epic even cares in the first place about competitive integrity (which apparently they so far don’t).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpScGLXiBpk Here’s a decent video (just ignore the clickbaity title) that sums up why the hell this is so stupid and why Epic is failing hard with their esports shenanigans.

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Schmidt.Capela

especially when it requires using software + an adapter

Nope. Fortnite suports KB+Mouse natively on PS4, it’s plug and play.

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Sorenthaz

He was running it with Xim4.

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Schmidt.Capela

I was reading about using KB+Mouse with a Xim4 (or any other similar adaptor), and it seems like it’s not all that. Due to the way the adaptors work, translating the other inputs into valid gamepad movements, responsiveness gets degraded to what a gamepad already allows — in other words, players using Xim4 can’t turn, aim, or otherwise maneuver any faster than a player using a gamepad.

So, yeah, using such an adaptor you get aim-assist with a KB+Mouse. You also get the performance of the mouse degraded to the same crappy performance of a gamepad, without even a second analog stick to make up for it, so it’s less about advantages and more about which control scheme you are used to.

I’ll admit that I’m kinda biased, though, as I refuse to play shooting games with a gamepad; it’s clunky enough that any shooting game becomes just not fun for me if I’m forced to suffer through it using a gamepad.