The War of Thorns starts today in World of Warcraft

    
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Let it burn.

All right, champions, time to run down our list for what we need to get done before World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth is live. Let’s see… we need a pre-patch, that’s taken care of… we need a launch date, that’s settled… wait, what about setting a tree on fire? Nope, Teldrassil is still standing! We’d better take care of that with the first part of the War of Thorns event, which is starting today in the game. Head out to Darkshore and start either defending from the Horde or slaughtering the Alliance!

The event is open to everyone with special limited-time world quests and mounts available, so you’ll want to get in soon if you want to uncover all that the prelude has to offer. You can also check out Wowhead’s guide to the event from testing if you’d like to be sure you’re not missing everything. For those of you more eager to handle Undercity… well, wait a couple more weeks for the expansion launch.

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Danny Smith

So how will Sylvanas have done nothing wrong this time?

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quark1020

Bah, those night elves had it coming.

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Nate Woodard

What a monkey poo flinging contest this has turned out to be. Wow.. err.. no pun intended.

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Neurotic

The moaning and whining already, I can’t stand it. :-/

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Arcanum Zero

Wow, I have not been paying enough attention to this nonsense. Not only is Blizzard dictating that the Alliance/Horde can’t defend one of our capitals from a Horde/Alliance onslaught, but they’re dictating this regardless of the outcome of playable in-game events?

I need to call Orville Redenbacher — I AM NOT PREPARED.

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mysecretid

WARNING! POSSIBLE SPOILERS IF YOU DON’T YET KNOW HOW The Battle for Azeroth STARTS!

I’m going to play, but — as a Blood Elf Mage — I have a lot of misgivings about how this “new war” plays out as a story.

Poster Kleioopfl at the World of Warcraft website summarizes my feelings pretty well, so I’ll just quote him here:

“There are two sides to every story.” Is this a joke? Alliance PoV: Horde = Bad Guys and Horde PoV: Horde = Bad Guys. That is how the story has been written so far. I recognize that the whole picture has not yet been painted but with what my character knows I have not acted with honor and I had no choice in the narrative. No twist or clever writing can fix that.

I hope that I am mistaken but as it stands right now I just helped launch an invasion of a nation who has never been the aggressor because my “War Chief” didn’t want to share the shine rocks with the Alliance because she was afraid they might do something bad with them. No break down in peaceful negotiation, no escalation of tension in the form of a massing of armies on each others borders, no miscommunication, no propaganda or misinformation just an invasion. News flash, behavior like that makes you the bad guy.

How can the Horde talk of honor and act like this? Not a single word of dissent from anyone? No questions as to why? Even if the “War Chief” has some information no one else does, my actions can’t be justified. If honor is the prevailing force in the Horde than this blind obedience to the “War Chief” to commit dishonorable actions is unacceptable.

We just put down Aurgus. We stood in the presence of Titans. We saved the world with Khadgar and we don’t have the courage to tell the “War Chief” no what you are doing is wrong? If the members of the Horde attempt to stop the war after we start it, we aren’t acting with honor we are acting because we feel guilty and the only logical solution would be for us to sue for peace and make reparations.

In short I am disappointed in the direction that the “War Chief” is moving but I am furious at the actions my character must make as a result. I am left with two choices as I play the Horde, either I am a coward who won’t stand up to the “War Chief” or I agree with the “War Chief” and condone a war without honor. Even if the “War Chief” knows something I don’t my actions in light of what I know cannot be justified and no story arc can fix that

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I know, I know, it’s “just a game”, but part of the fun comes from treating the fiction like it is actually its own world, and when sense goes out the window, large sections of potential fun can be sacrificed.

Like the poster, I just find it strange that no one on the Horde side spoke up in any of the story cutscenes to say, “Y’know Sylvanas, this won’t end well at all, for any of us, and you’re too busy going “Moo hahahahahaaaaaaa!!!” to notice”.

I know I wanted to say something like that. I play a Blood Elf — we know all about the trouble bad leaders can get a people into …

My opinions, anyway. Maybe Blizzard has a plot twist planned. I would welcome that.

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Arcanum Zero

As someone who happily split time between Alliance and Horde, I don’t think Blizzard ever successfully made the Horde convincing heroes, and they seem to have just given up completely after Wrathgate. Warchief Windrunner being Warchief Windrunner seems like par for the course, and I am surprised people are still confused about it.

For clarity: I don’t think the Horde /aren’t/ heroes — I think Blizzard does a garbage job of /writing them/ as heroes.

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Bruno Brito

For clarity: I don’t think the Horde /aren’t/ heroes — I think Blizzard does a garbage job of /writing them/ as heroes.

Less heroes, more like understandable monsters. They tried with Thrall, but their writing was so subpar that he ended up as green jesus. They did NOTHING with Vol’jin, but the time VJ had the spotlight, he was a decent “hero”.

They also didn’t make use of Cairne. Caine was a extremely seasoned hero, a simple man, but extremely spiritual, calm, collected to the point where the most practical warriors had their patiences taxed because he always took too long into considering everything.

Cairne was globally respected in the Horde, and he would be also a character extremely respected in the neutral factions and even in the Alliance. His respect for nature would be something to behold for Night Elves, and considering that Varian grew as a character in Pandaria and Warlords, he would actually feel compeled to meet a fellow Warrior, specially one with such peace and calm inside.

What did they do? They killed him. OUTSIDE THE GAME.

I think Blizzard is just largely incompetent to make a good overall story. That being said, they ARE good to tell the mediocrity of their story in great ways. I think this story they have right now is complete bullshit, with characters doing a 180 from what they were for no reason other than “WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!”, but i’m still hyped just because i like HOW they tell it.

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latorn

Thank you for sharing this, really gives good insight into the current plot. I used to be a horde player, and was thinking of picking this one up, but I’ll probably pass on BFA because of this and other things I’ve heard.

Also the comments in response to this player’s post are hilarious, especially the “just a game” one.

Yes, it’s a game, and the story is a part of the game, if the story is lacking it is detrimental to the overall experience and consumers will spend their money elsewhere… Looking at the rest of the responses I suppose the WoW community isn’t something I’ll miss either haha xD

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Arcanum Zero

The WoW forums were a disaster before 2004 was out. Blizzard has never expressed an interest in them being any other way.

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Loopy

100% agreed on this. I have friends playing on Horde who keep inviting me to switch factions. Every… single… time… i try to justify Horde as being “misunderstood” or whatever the faction claims to be, i end up doing a quest where i’m killing innocent farmers because “they took errr landd!”. And i switch back.

I have no issues people playing the evil guys. Some people like to cause chaos and despair or whatever. But trying to pitch the Horde as a rag tag team of underdogs who are simply trying to survive is suuuuch a weak argument, it’s laughable.

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Utakata

I think there some poor assumptions being made here. As you making it sound like a leader who woke up one morning and decided to impose trade embarg…I mean, go to war with no good reason because Ms. Sylvanas can. Yes, that would make her most certainly an outright villain if this was the case. However, Mr. Sargeras (just fresh from the previous expansion) gave Azeroth a parting gift that literally changes everything. Something that unearthed a volatile substance that could tip the faction balance if accumulated into on one side. So consider this is Azeroth’s Vibranium…

…and how does pigtails and I know all this? Because my player character gets to question Ms. Sylvanus herself of why she is doing this batshit insane invasion (just before the quest chains starts rolling, in fact). You get the gist though, it’s part strategy, part deep seated paranoia and part deeply buried animosities that are older than the Ancients themselves. Something to be said for cultures that value long memories.

This is not to justify Ms. Sylvanas, as she is doing this for messed up reasons for a collective faction that’s never known for its diplomacy. That is, the Orcs, the B’ELfs, da Trolls-mon, and the rest of the Forsaken don’t want this substance falling into Alliance hands only; the Goblins are there to make a profit from it; and Mr. Bain is likely looking on in horror while his braves want to join the fray. Honorable…maybe not, but whenever is war honorable? And begging the big question, if this where the Horde hording all the Azerite, would not the Alliance attack without provocation to get their cut…for err, “defensive” reasoning? And isn’t this what started all this nonsense to begin with? So yeah, its complicated. o.O

But in a the World of World of Warcraft, it appears the folks playing this game are the ones with shorter memories than bread mold. Just saying.

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rafterman74

Meh, you make it sound a whole lot more interesting than it is. This is the same tired “story” that Blizzard has done for 20 years. Alliance and Horde fight, kiss and make up to kill big baddie, then go back to fighting. It’s stale and it’s time they did something else with the story.

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Utakata

Why thank you, but that wasn’t the intent of my rebuttal. As I also personally disagree with the direction of BfA. And I never really liked the faction nonsense to begin with. It’s just I’ve chosen to stick with WoW for now, and this is what I am observing in regards to how this new expansion storyline is panning out for right or wrong. :)

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Bruno Brito

Repetition is the food of eternity. Existence is pain.

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Danny Smith

The Horde player reaction to BfA seems to largely be summed up with:

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Jokerchyld

Get some popcorn boys and girls. Blizzard is about to embark us on another ride.

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latorn

Trailer looks awesome, but I’ve heard nothing but bad things. :/

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David Blair

Sooo… why are they burning the world tree? Wasn’t there some lore that said Azeroth needed a world tree? (we haven’t played since Cata)

Also, my wife wants to know where Nightelves start if their starting zone is on fire… which would make for a really cool starting zone I suppose…

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ihatevnecks

They’re not.

Sylvanas intended to control Teldrassil and the NEs by assassinating Malfurion, but something happens next week (which nobody has seen, even in beta) to cause the fire. Popular theories are Jaina, because her ship is seen in art for one of the scenes, and Wrathion, because he’s the one who’s tried actively encouraging conflict between the factions in the past.

The NEs will continue to start like they always have. Remember that new characters are still made 8 years ago in the current timeline, so there’s no fire or anything until the character goes through Legion.

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Arcanum Zero

I think I can field this one. Teldrassil was never a complete world tree because it was planted between WC3 and WoW after a unilateral decision by the night elves, without the Dragon Aspects’ blessing. That’s why it was always overrun by lesser demons and corrupted furbolgs.

It turns out in Cataclysm that the reason why the Dragon Aspects never gave their blessing was because Nordrassil (the original world tree) was not destroyed when Archimonde was killed after all. It’s still there, so Teldrassil is just surplus to requirements.

New night elves will still start on Teldrassil — the zone will be instanced and the sacking and burning will occur for each character when they reach 110th level, just like for Tirisfal and the Undercity.

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Bruno Brito

Wait, they didn’t give the blessings also because they didn’t trust Fandral, isn’t that right?

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Arcanum Zero

Well, nobody trusted Fanboy Stagparty. I didn’t think it bore mentioning.

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Stovakor21

it’s all timed gated there is no real reason to start playing or subscribe back this week . just a bunch of kill 10 things quests. only about 25mins of content if that.

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Rick Mills

Well, it opens up world quests in DarkShore, which award iLvl 210 gear and weapons (nice for struggling alts).

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Nate Woodard

This is actually what I’ve been waiting for! Thank you!

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ihatevnecks

Marvel at the not-even-reskinned World Quest rewards taken straight from level boosted character gear!

Press 3 or 4 buttons (mostly just 111111 in a chopper) while you fly around watching botched assassination attempts from the apparently incompetent Banshee Queen!

And then wonder how the hell your Tauren druid is going along with this assassination plot like it’s no big deal.