The Daily Grind: How kind are you to opposing players in an MMO?

    
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Harm those who can't harm you.

The old expression is that character is who you are in the dark. I think that’s true, but I also think character is who you are in EVE Online when you see someone in a dinky mining ship while you fly along in your decked-out warship. You could destroy that other person’s ship in a blink of an eye and face no consequences if you want to.

So what happens to that mining ship?

This isn’t just about other players, it’s about opposing players. If you have War Mode on in World of Warcraft and happen to be flitting through a low-level area, you can no doubt smash in the face of any players you stumble across. Do you do so? If you see someone struggling in a Notorious Monster fight in Final Fantasy XI when you can heal, do you cast a heal or wait until the player is dead to claim the monster for yourself? How kind are you not just to other players, but to opposing players in an MMO?

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Rolan Storm

Like I wish I was treated. I am all for fair combat. No newbie camping, no monster stealing and no griefing. After all it’s just other players. If someone crosses me – that’s another story.

Remember this guy from WZ in SWTOR recently. He was playing Shadow and we were winning incomparably: all towers were ours. So he waved then sited himself near me in stealth. Funny when stealther do that: only the action player did appears in chat, no name. When he got out of stealth I beat on him a little just to make him go away. No kill – we both knew there is not much sense to it.

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IronSalamander8 .

I mostly ignore them. I might help them out when they’re in trouble as I did/do in WoW and SWTOR if I see them in trouble and they’ve not caused me any grief.

Now if they’re attacking Valley of Trials for the umpteenth time I’ll go out of my way to push their faces in, or at least I used to. My DK and pally have far more HKs than my main from having world defense on but I shut that off awhile ago.

Most people I’ve played with seem of the same mind. The ones that claim we’re working with the enemy are taking things way too seriously.

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Peregrine Falcon

In an MMO that I used to play there was a mini-game that would give you a temp power to summon a powerful combat pet called a Shivan. This combat pet was great in PvE but nearly worthless in PvP. However, the mini-game was located in Bloody Bay, a PvP zone.

My friends and I went quite often to Bloody Bay to get Shivans, and quite often we would encounter players of the enemy faction, most of them solo. We always helped these “enemy players” to complete the mini-game and get their Shivans.

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rafael12104

Hmm. So, I’m kind to everyone. It’s my default. I get no satisfaction out of being an asshole. Lol.

So, will I help someone from the other faction? Sure, if they need help.

But, I’m no stooge. Been around the MMO block many times. So, I’m not likely to fall for a griefing trap. And I will defend myself and my friends with a vengeance.

Hey, the golden rule applies even between factions.

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Castagere Shaikura

I only play with people i know so this is not a big issue for me. But right now non of my friends play mmo’s anymore. So i avoid all players now. The last time i tried to be friendly and help what i thought was a newbie player in wow i got crapped on. I was in the area where Hogger was near the entrance to westfall. So after helping this guy kill Hogger he asked me to run him through that dungeon in Westfall that was for lvl 20 players i believe. His lvl was way lower than that. I said no i had something else to do. But i told him to friend me to help him later. And he said i kid you not “I don’t want to be your friend i just want you to help me get loot.” He then said this was an alt and he had max lvl characters so he knew more than me about the game. I just left him standing there with his knowledge.

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Alex Js.

That depends on how I feel at a particular moment. If I feel like killing someone’s character/ship – I’ll do so, regardless of how “new” the account of such player is or his character level/ship type/equipment. If I feel like certain player needs a help (regardless of which faction he/she is from, and b.t.w, I really, REALLY grown to hate the MMO games with lazy, unimaginative “all of the players on faction x are permanently your enemies because we say so” gameplay design) – I sometimes don’t mind helping them (as long as I am not getting attacked by them).

In any case, I don’t hold any grudges against other players in MMOs with PvP. If I kill some other player – I just move on (I never try to “camp” their body or shipwreck or whatever, or use any stupid emotes or berate other player in chat), if someone killed me (even in an unfair way) – that’s also fine and I also just move on. Trying to hunt down and kill a specific player over and over just because his/her actions angered/irritated you in some way is just… stupid and often a sign that you have a serious mental issue which needs to be resolved ASAP outside of game ;-)

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Utakata

I’m usually in “f*ck faction politics” mode. Which means, I usually help them out, as they help me out also.

Collusion you say? They’re not helping me out to secure my leadership of the Alliance in order to divide and conquer them. Nor visa versa. We’re just trying to get by despite the faction nonsense. :)

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IronSalamander8 .

Well said. One of my favorite vanilla WoW encounters was when I was fishing to save money for BC release on my troll priest with my tabby pet out and a human priest came up and waved, I waved back and she petted my kitty and ran along. Not a huge deal of course but a nice interaction regardless.

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Vaeris

I don’t look at it from a “we’re all players” standpoint. The developers went through many lengths to create a game world with lore and established relationships between the various groups. Your group and my group are at war. I see you, I either fight or run. If none of that lore mattered or was going to get overruled for hurt feelings reason “X” then why even have differing faction at war as the background. Just make a single faction.

You willingly consent to the climate of faction vs. faction games. Granted, that does not mean it is right to camp players offensively (if you are out doing your thing and rival faction players keeps running into the brick wall that is you, so be it. You are looking for them, they just keep attacking you and dying…that’s on them). That said if I’m going from point A to B and see a opposing player that I fell I can take, I’ll attack and if I win I keep on going to my destination.

Other players from my faction? I see them as friendlies (unless they prove to be otherwise) and if I’m running by and they are getting wailed on by an NPC or an opposing faction player I will jump in to help. When you choose a side you take on all that choice entails. If you don’t want the “bad”, then you should probably take the third choice and not participate. There are tons of other non-confrontational games out there.

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Erik Heinze-Milne

Because we AREN’T at war. Sylvanas is at war with the Alliance, and the rest of the horde is only being dragged along because the devs refuse to offer a mechanical means of dissent, hence the outcry from horde players and the no shoulders movement.

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laelgon

I try to be gracious in defeat and humble in victory. I love the idea of games like Darkfall or LiF, or whichever flavor of the month sandbox game is latest to release, but they always end up with really toxic communities.

I enjoy PvP up until it becomes more about ruining someone else’s fun and kicking over their sandcastle, instead of fun fights. You completely wipe out someone’s base? Congratulations, you probably just made a few more people quit the game. Maybe sandbox pvp games aren’t “for” me, but I don’t think I’m alone in wanting to build up cities to defend and siege without the egos, drama, and general dickishness that results in scorched earth fights that just kill of the game’s population one destroyed base at a time.

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Sashaa

I’m a Carebear and have always been, even if I do love some pvp. That’s why I only play healers, or tanks in mmorpgs. Never got that “thrill of the hunt” thing, or the need that some players feel to demean others based on the side they choose, in a game. Same when I was still playing rugby, you don’t need foam at the mouth to play competitively…