Fortnite claims yesterday’s boob physics patch was ‘unintended’

    
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You might be wondering why, on a day like yesterday of all days, Epic Games would patch in lady boob jiggle as a tacky cosmetic emote to Fortnite, but that’s exactly what it did, as multiple sites including ours picked up yesterday.

Epic is now claiming it was an accidental inclusion, which ought to be making you do that thing you do with your face when what you’re hearing sounds like complete BS. How does the richest game in the world “accidentally” ship boob physics without anybody along the pipeline noticing or calling it out? Actually, don’t answer that. I have a pretty good idea.

“This is unintended, embarrassing, and it was careless for us to let this ship,” an Epic representative reportedly told IGN. “We are working now to fix this as soon as possible.” It looks as if the update to remove it rolled out earlier this morning.

Source: IGN
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socontrariwise

Why on earth do they think animating chest padding is necessary or a good idea anyway? Women go to such length to make it real life NOT move and they think they should wiggle it just because?

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rafael12104

So this is PR 101.

How can you find out if something that will be controversial is worth the benefit despite the cost? Easy, peasy, you float it out as an unintended change and then you wait to see what happens.

If it is lambasted beyond anything you could have imagined you immediately pull it back and apologize for the “mistake.”

If it is lambasted but initial sales tick up a few percentage points? You pull it back but you take a little more time in doing so to get good metrics and then decide on its future.

If it is controversial but a sudden spike in sales occurs and finds equilibrium with a net gain, you leave it as a running change and add the gross net to future projections.

I’ve seen it happen.

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Bannex

They should’ve waited to “accidentally” leak this when CoD launched

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Sorenthaz

What a world we live in where they ‘accidentally’ ship in boob physics into a game largely played by young teens.

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Bannex

I mean its just boob jiggle. Not actual boobs and unless it’s incredibly over the top my guess is that it is hardly noticeable with this game’s graphics…

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socontrariwise

No it isn’t (hardly noticeable).

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Sorenthaz

Well it was only really noticeable with the specific dance animation due to the way the physics worked based on the model’s movements.

So them disabling that has now screwed up a chunk of their other character models/skins I guess until they do a more long-term physics update.

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Dug From The Earth

In a game where you blow people up with rocket launchers… lets worry and apologize for a little bit of boob jiggle.

Glad they have their priorities straight.

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Sorenthaz

Let’s be honest, I’m sure it was only a big issue because parents flipped out and news sites made a big deal about it.

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Xijit

Pretty sure only sites like Kotaku flipped out and parents wouldn’t have ever noticed.

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Greaterdivinity

Nononono, keep it in and add some serious testicle physics for dudes and call it a day. WE NEED TO MAKE EVERYONE’S BITS JIGGLE BECAUSE IT’S FUNNY.

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Bryan Correll

Dangle physics really are overlooked in most games.

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NeoWolf

It has always mystified me why boob physics is seen as risque in games. I mean people do realise boobs move, right? RIGHT? why is this shocking? and their movement alone is hardly titillating especially if covered.

Now if they are swinging everywhere like a brick in a sports sock..maybe a physics issue that needs addressing, but otherwise..meh, who cares, bit of realism never hurt anything.

heck if anything a bit more of a realistic expectation as to what a womans body looks like and moves like in games could potentially be something gamers need in order to put their expectations back in the realms of the achievable lol

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Bannex

Accurately portraying women in the media is only appropriate when it’s devoid of any sexuality.

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Peregrine Falcon

I like how people nowdays act like the female characters in video games aren’t realistic. Just because you aren’t shaped like that doesn’t mean that billions of other women aren’t.

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Alex Js.

Well, this is largely an ‘murican issue – we have too many religious bible-thumpers (especially from Southern states) who might get offended seeing all this “smut” ;-) Plus the current craze of “we should not be sexualizing females in games” which is already going way, way too far.
This is why many gaming companies are so afraid to not only put any kind of boob physics but even things like a mature romance in general (Bethesda being the worst offender with their Fallout 3/4 and TES games). Luckily we still have Asian game developers and EU developers like CD Projekt RED ;-)

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Mewmew

Because they’re stupidly over the top in their physics, moving in a way terribly unrealistic just to call attention to moving breasts and give the boys a thrill?

They move in such a stupid unrealistic way I don’t even know what to compare them to, I don’t know that anything that exists actually moves in that way. Maybe if you had semi-solid jello or oil in a huge water balloon ten times the size of the actual breasts?

Do you actually think real breasts move anything like what they put in these games? Especially with the small movements?

Breasts hurt when they bounce all around when we are standing and actual damage can be caused by too much repeated movement, there’s a reason we wear sports bras to limit the movement as much as possible when active.

Plus the fact that they spend so much time on breast physics and appearance without spending any time on men’s parts moving around. Let’s give the guys big oversized testicles and snausages that bounce and jiggle through their pants in an unrealistic way, and then I’ll be fine with their stupid overdone breast physics.

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Alex Js.

stupidly over the top in their physics, moving in a way terribly unrealistic just to call attention to moving breasts and give the boys a thrill

Sure, they looked a little bit exaggerated, but…What’s wrong with that? This is a video game, based on HIGHLY unrealistic combat and building system, with HUGE amount of humorous items/customizations. A game where you’re dropped from a flying bus powered by balloon. Why is that the only “over the top” item that suddenly matters? ;-)

they spend so much time on breast physics

Actually it’s not that much – these physics already exist in the Unreal Engine and very easy to apply to body parts such as breasts. Especially for the actual creators and maintaniers of this engine.

Let’s give the guys big oversized testicles and snausages that bounce and jiggle through their pants in an unrealistic way

Hey, it’s not my kind of thing but I wouldn’t mind these at all. I wouldn’t even feel insecure if these body parts would be significantly larger than mine ;-) Same goes for oversized, over-emphasized body muscles.

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NeoWolf

This is kind of the point I was making. Developers go to all this effort in motion capture and then pretend like breasts were not a part of it. We all have them (men and women, womans obviously larger and more noticeable generally), they move.. it should be included in a realistic and sensible way they are part of the visual anatomy, not some dirty secret to be hidden away.

We need to get away from the unrealistic shapes and sizes for female sin games and start with some real shapes and real motion to as I said put gamers ideas of what a woman should and does look like..back into the realm of reality.

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Maggie May

OK so maybe having an opt out feature in games? Might have some benefit in pvp … Boob attack by distraction?

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NeoWolf

Why would you need an opt out feature? Remember what I am suggesting is that games represent true shapes and motion of physicality.
You wouldn’t cover your eyes walking past a normal woman in the street would you? So why would you need to censor the same female form in a game?

Ridiculosly proportioned unmoving breasts could already be used as a distraction in games, but that is what we need to get away from and put sensibilities back into the real world :)

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Maggie May

OK as a woman I can tell you that most of the boob physics
looks like jello which is not what normal boobs look like or how they move. So yeah get the physics correct and I wouldn’t have a problem with it.

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Schmidt.Capela

@NeoWolf
The movement of breasts usually isn’t captured or otherwise pre-recorded, at least not for interactive media like games; not only breasts have no muscle — and, thus, their movement is dictated exclusively by outside forces —, their movement also varies with their size and the kind of clothing used. It’s better to simulate it instead.

@Maggie May
I believe most games that have breasts that look like they are made of jello do it intentionally. Breast movement is typically modeled as internal weights and springs that change the form of a breast-shaped shell; the jello effect happens when the simulated spring damping is too low, which is done to make the movement larger, longer lasting, and more eye-catching.

It’s possible to get non-Jello results simply by using reasonable values for the spring damping, and many games do it, but getting a more precise simulation than the spring-and-weight method is unlikely, as it would require far too much processing power to calculate in real time. Particularly so in a MMO where you might have to simulate dozens or hundreds of characters simultaneously.

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NeoWolf

Yup, but thier movement can be generalised in the same way they generalise the gait of someone walking or running via the motion capture of a single real person.
When in truth people can and do move very differently from person to person based on hieght, weight, clothing and ESPECIALLY gender (men and women moving very differently).

So in the same manner breasts hould have movement even if generalised rather than them being static which always looks really wierd.

things like bits that do move but don’t in games have always bugged me.. don’t get me started on hair for example lol

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Bryan Correll

titillating

Tee hee hee. Titillating.
Yes, my inner adolescent occasionally breaks free.

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Sorenthaz

In general over in the West we’re stupidly desensitized to gore and steadily more desensitized to swearing, yet for some reason sex is treated as something taboo…

…Despite pretty much every show aimed at pre-teens/teens/young adults having the whole “haw haw you haven’t kissed/dated a giiirrrrl” trope that has idolized guys who get all the girls. Or at least this was prominent in the 90’s/00’s when I was growing up.

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Maggie May

Yeah but not like jello ..

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flyingltj

The attention grabbing is real. The Kanye West of online gaming.

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Adam Russell

“Epic is now claiming it was an accidental inclusion, which ought to be making you do that thing you do with your face when what you’re hearing sounds like complete BS. ”

Insert plaid shirt guy meme here

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Hikari Kenzaki

*shrug* There is much ‘worse’ out there. It’s pretty well done, with some occasional extreme movements that could be fixed.

The only ridiculous part is claiming it wasn’t intentional. Sure, it might not have gotten buy off from everyone in the company, but someone spent time coding it, someone QA’d it, etc.

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Schmidt.Capela

I believe the “wasn’t intentional” part refers to the amplitude of the movement in that specific animation.

Keep in mind that secondary animation, like breasts and hair, is usually done through simulation; I don’t think animators actually assigned the breasts to jiggle like that in that specific animation, instead it was an unfortunate interaction between the settings that create the “pretty well done” animation you described with the sheer energy of that specific celebration.