Anthem will have matchmaking for raids but no loot trading

    
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Well, that sounds fun.

It’s hard not to compare Anthem to Destiny 2 just by the nature of what both games are trying to be. More to the point, though, it seems like the developers want that comparison to be made, especially with the recent announcement on Twitter that Anthem will have matchmaking for its endgame raids. You needn’t have a dedicated progression group; just rely on matchmaking to form a group for you and coordinate accordingly.

Of course, you can endlessly speculate about whether that means Anthem raiding content will be harder or easier than that in other titles as a result, along with asking whether or not Destiny 2 content is really hard enough to justify the lack of matchmaking. It’s like the arguments are pre-sealed for your convenience! You can also start one about the fact that the game will not feature any loot trading, so it’s probably a good thing that any loot drops will be weighted for what you’re playing at the time.

Source: Twitter via VG24/7
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Nick Smith

Well. Honestly I dont mind. Its due to one game mechanic…. jetpack flying. Anthem has them and The Division 2 won’t.

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flyingltj

So you’re saying that this game will have the same dynamics and offer me the same experience as many many other games?

What reason would I ever have to try this one over a cheaper identical competitor?

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Jack Kerras

No trading/useless crafting is pretty much par for the course with MMOs these days, but it’s still fucking disappointing to hear we’re getting Yet Another MMORPG with this total lack of a mechanic. :/

What does everyone have against player agency? Fucksake. :(

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Jack Kerras

This is, bar none, the dumbest argument I have ever heard.

I refuse to participate.

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BDJ

If its an MMO or if its not, it doesn’t matter.

Ive played a healer since FFXI. I heal in shooters when one is available. In Global Agenda I also played a medic. Having the option , like a mechanic, would be amazing.

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primal

well if you could trade loot you wouldnt need to spend a billion hours grinding the crap out of “dungeons” for stuff. which means player engagement would be down and people bored of it sooner then there would less reason to load every inch of the game with microtransactions to speed the looting process up.

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Jack Kerras

This is an understandable, but still very silly stance.

Just ‘cuz everyone else is doing it doesn’t mean that economic design in a game is somehow impossible or taboo. It’s a lot of responsibility and you have to handle it carefully, but it’s definitely not really on the nose to say Warframe or Path of Exile are having engagement problems because you can just buy whatever you want by playing for X time.

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Danny Smith

So are they still vehemently saying they aren’t a destiny clone?

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Xijit

Because it is more of a Hybrid of Destiny and Division … A lot of the game flow sounds like Division, but the art and details are Destiny.

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rafael12104

What is the big deal with trading? Is it gold farming? Or is it just too much work when you are world building games that apparently can only tell story in one corner of the world?

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Armsbend

Trading makes Warframe better I know.

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Xijit

Forced grind to extend “content”

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Frank White

That sounds about right. And let me guess: by no trading, they mean you also won’t be able to transfer items to other characters on your own account.

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Xijit

IDK how the game will handle Alts, but the devs have said you won’t need them as you can swap suits / classes freely.

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BDJ

You don’t need alts. You can be everything in one.

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Brother Maynard

Now three trade licences for the price of two – limited time offer, only in the in-game store. Do not miss it!

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Greaterdivinity

The lack of trading is disappointing, but them actually extending matchmaking to (apparently?) all group activities while Bungie continues to stubbornly refuse to do so is good.

I’m still skeptical about this one but I hope it’s good. Will pick it up after launch if it end up shaking out well. I hope it does.

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Life_Isnt_Just_Dank_Memes

For BioWare to go from pioneer and industry leader to “Let’s copy what the dudes who invented Halo are doing currently” is mind boggling to me.

If this game bombs, and I don’t think it will, I think there are enough people disgruntled with Destiny to at least try this, it could be the end of BioWare. That’s really sad to me, but then again, it hasn’t been the BioWare I loved for over 10 years so it’s not surprising.

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Arktouros

The addition of LFG/LFR tools is pretty great as sitting around spamming that you’re looking for a group is just anachronistic in this day and age. You don’t want to spam. Others don’t want to see your spam. Being invited to a group doesn’t guarantee quality over auto grouping.

Loot not being tradeable is pretty understandable stance these days. For one it elongates the progression period they have in a game because players can’t just swap for best in slot items that other people get. For two it removes a ton of headaches for the developers as it pretty much single handedly solves RMT and eliminates bot farming for RMT. We’ll still have to see their loot sources to really gauge whether or not that will feel right.

Regardless this game still get a waiting period to see reactions after launch. With the rabid pace in which people consume content we should hear a kinda consensus about the game after a few weeks whether or not it’s worth purchasing.

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Ironwu

Your points are well taken about the spam and RMT.

Warframe has an interesting way of dealing with the issues.

Recruitment is handled by setting up a dedicated channel for Guild/Content recruiting. I have never seen a guild or mission call outside of the dedicated channel.

RMT in Warframe is interesting due to the ability to trade the premium currency (Platinum) between players for items. So far, the RMT tools DE have in place have been able to identify the RMT chains from buyer back to the initial seller. Once done, they back out all transactions, ban the seller, and warn the buyer(s). Interestingly, it is possible for buyers to go into Platinum debt due to having spent their ill gotten gains on consumables, and thus be unable to pay back the RMT Platinum.

It seems to me that by banning all trade, Anthem has kind of taken the nuclear option to that problem. Might be easy for them, but will it be fun for the players?

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Arktouros

Many games create a specialized LFG channel but that doesn’t stop the fact that you are still left spamming the channel constantly waiting for an invite. It’s not like you’re propping yourself up for an interview or conversation with people but rather it’s just you (usually) hitting up arrow and spamming the same message over and over again for hours on end. This, in fact, detracts from taking part in normal chats and normal socialization as you’re instead forced to watch others also spam chat looking for their own activities hoping to maybe catch someone else looking for the same objectives.

Everything you just described about how DE handles RMT takes tracking, logs, and personnel to do all that. It’s a lot of work and any MMO company with potential RMT will end up devoting a lot of time and labor towards combating it. That’s all time and resources that can be dedicated elsewhere. There’s always a cost to each decision even if the players don’t feel it directly.

No trading really one of those topics that isn’t going to be popular with the players (because players are always looking for the easiest path and being able to trade for goods is easier than playing the game and farming out an item) even if it’s better for them. A lot of it comes down to how you manage the system itself which is why I said we’d have to see how it feels. If you tone the system too hard and make gear impossible it creates a feeling of a horrendous grind. If they’re more lax and upgrades are more common then the need to trade feels irrelevant since you can get your own upgrades via normal game play.

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Jack Kerras

Trading is far from the ‘easiest path’, by and large. It can be most consistent (accrue wealth, use for gear), but this is rarely a less expensive or easier option.

Really, trading is another type of gameplay, and a large number of people play online games specifically to participate in economic moving-and-shaking. It’s a very real engagement driver… if your economy doesn’t suck.

Most folks can’t be arsed to design an economy that’s not going to suck, though.

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Indigo Salma

I will buy it after release. First i want to know how big the world is.
Really don’t want to be underwhelmed like the Destiny 2 shit storm.
Extremely little content and not much to do in any map.

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rafael12104

I will buy it, maybe, but not until the first big patch is released. Lol. At that point, I will evaluate the situation and make a decision.

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Armsbend

Is anyone being inspired by the release of this game? I couldn’t be less excited by a major release ever I don’t think. It just screams mediocrity in every single way.

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IronSalamander8 .

Same here. Since about the first time I heard of this I’ve been at best indifferent to it. It’s also sounded like a Destiny clone even before this latest news and while I enjoy online MP shooters, not this style very much and the couple of friends that did play Destiny 2 didn’t play it very long, and not from burning all the content, it just wasn’t all that good.

If, and it’s a big if, any of my gaming group gets it I may do so but no plans for this thing at all. Beyond the graphics, which look excellent I admit, it sounds like nothing new or exciting at all.

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rafael12104

Ditto. Not really looking forward to it. More like waiting for the drama to unfold.

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Armsbend

A clone of a warframe clone. Once you get to the third iteration there isn’t a point.

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BDJ

Are you a paid spokesmen for Warframe. The quality of the game is trash. Destiny is a lot more polished. Warframe is decent, but its not Destiny nor will it be on the level of Anthem.

Some people like playing games that handle and look like dog shit though. Color me surprised.

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Brother Maynard

I’m just following this for Casey Hudson’s colourful tweets…