Fallout 76 is now a gift with controller purchase in Germany as duping crackdown hits legit crafters. I am so tired.

    
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Last week, we ran a poll on Fallout 76 that picked up on rumors that stores across the globe, from the UK to Australia to even Poland, are pulling and marking down their inventory of Fallout 76 boxes and not resupplying. Bethsoft’s PR flatly denied the rumor, as did EB Games Australia, but that didn’t stop people from wondering whether the game was going free-to-play.

Add a bit more fuel to the fire today: Kotaku reports that GameStop in Germany and several other countries are offering a deal – just buy a used current-gen console controller, get a free copy of Fallout 76. This is a ten-week-old game that was charging $60 at launch, and it’s now a GWP. No way to make this one look good, I fear.

Meanwhile, the community is once again buzzing over an apparent new crackdown on duping that has spilled over into legitimate crafting and leaving innocent players banned. Bethsoft has responded to some of the threads and is apparently investigating the erroneous bans, but in the meantime, careful what you build – or at least how quickly you build it.

Source: Reddit via Kotaku. Thanks, Kinya, Pepperzine, and Random MMO Fan
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Kevin McCaughey

This is surely up there for the most disappointing MMO release ever prize. I have only watched Youtubers play it and that was enough for me. Seems the biggest **** up for a long long time in the industry. And the hype they gave it! Ugh :(

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Mewmew

A reddit post mentioned that Bethesda tracks uninstalls through its launcher and the best way to let them know you are really unhappy if you bought the game is to uninstall it. Don’t just leave it there or they think you’re waiting and giving them chances to fix it up. Even if you really want to do that, it may be better to uninstall and if they fix it up you can re-install sometime down the road.

Realistically the game should be taken down and re-done completely. Fill the world with NPCs and choices. Is it possible to get a better engine and import everything into it? I guess that may be too much work, they really shouldn’t have used the old Fallout 4 engine for this though.

I had stopped playing already but hadn’t uninstalled, I read how they tracked uninstalls and so removed it yesterday after reading that.

In some ways I’ll miss it, but I’m not happy with what they’ve done. I really wanted to find a reason to keep playing but they’re just too incompetent with the handling of the title.

Luckily Anthem and The Division 2 are both upcoming over the next few months to cover some of that co-op shooter feeling that Fallout 76 was supposed to give me. They’re both different though, it’s not the same as a Fallout world, but they’ve just bungled the title so completely that I can’t keep sticking around and keeping hope they’ll fix it.

I’ll definitely go back one day if they ever do get the game up to snuff, though I’m really not very confident that will happen.

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Bethesda just provided official response to the ban claims:

A Note on Banning from fo76

Of course, they did NOT provide ANY proof that people who reported being banned for “excessive crafting” actually cheated, and as the recent story with GW2 shows you should NEVER trust any developer when they claim they “only banned known cheaters” ;-)

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mysecretid

I guess I’m the Fallout target-audience member from a certain perspective — I’ve played every Fallout game since the original one — but I completely passed on Fallout 76..

Even now, even if I were given a free copy of the game, I doubt I’d cut a hole in my weekly gaming time to add it into my rotation of games played. It never appealed to me, and it still doesn’t. I don’t hate it; I’m not outraged by it, I just don’t care.

It’s like some Massively posters said after the game was announced — it’s like Bethesda took a Fallout game, and then removed most of the things which make a Fallout game special.

With all these stories of the game tanking already, I guess I’m not the only Fallout fan who feels this way?

Just pondering in print,

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No, you’re not the only one. Fallout universe was good before FO3. Then came Bethesda and neutered it and kept doing it to the point of current abomination.

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Mewmew

Sorry but that’s not exactly how most people feel. People *loved* Fallout 3 and Fallout 4. Fallout 4 especially was extremely popular and well loved. This isn’t about the change in the game to Bethesda’s new system, as most people really enjoyed those two games. It’s specifically about how they’ve handled Fallout 76.

It’s lack of content and NPCs in a huge open world with not a lot to do, re-using the 5 year old Fallout 4 single player engine and modifying it for multiplayer, tons of bugs that don’t get fixed for months and often when they do get fixed the next patch that comes in puts them back in the game, lack of anything new other than cosmetics to spend real money on, overall incompetence from a company that was well thought of and respected before Fallout 76 came out.

What you’re wanting to debate has nothing to do with it, as most people really loved Fallout 3 & 4. If they actually had made a new updated Fallout game in that vein, people would be pretty happy. But it’s a toned down multiplayer Fallout 4 world with much much less to do and full of horrible bugs.

Fallout 3 & 4 were solid and fun RPGs for most people.

I understand missing the old games and liking how they were made, but the majority of players loved 3 and 4 and that’s not at all what this is about. Fallout 76 is just a mess. Trying to jump in to bash 3 and 4 because of what’s happening with 76 doesn’t really make much sense.

As a side note, you may have missed that Wasteland 3 is coming soon (since we don’t get a lot of single player game news here, maybe you know). That may be more of what you’re looking for obviously :D

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Fenrir Wolf

Fallout 4 was so dreary, though.

In part, it was a weirdly unaware treatise on bigotry, actually supporting the othering of and even genocide against that which is different. So it isn’t fantastic for that.

Another cardinal sin it committed was simply in how bland it was. Not good enough to be very memorable, and certainly not bad enough to be funny. Just sort of… average. I have difficulty remembering anything about it other than perhaps liking their power armour implementation once I’d modded out the power cell consumption and ludicrously, hilariously awful attack helicopter HUD.

“Yes, our power armour has a HUD,” beamed Todd Howard, “it has little dials, buttons, and levers meant for the miniaturised pilot insi–what’s that? Power armour is controlled via a neural link interface? That’s dumb! TINY LEVERS!”

One point in the favour of just how dreadful an experience it is? I was working on a pacifist mod for Fallout: New Vegas, going through all of the quests, and I was delighted by how many of them had non-lethal options and how very little I had to touch up.

Then I found a quest which was: Kill 1 person > kill 1 person > kill 4 persons > kill 2 persons > kill 1 person > report back. And I was taken aback. I was aghast. This was a lot more work than I was accustomed to, I couldn’t believe they’d dropped the ball that hard.

Then I realised it was a Fallout 4 quest that’d accidentally made its way into the list.

Such relief.

A resigned sigh, afterwards, as it was once again made clear that we’d never again enjoy a truly decent Fallout title.

Then The Outer Worlds happened! And my excitement is off the charts! Lead folks from both the original two Fallouts AND Vampire: The Masquerade — Bloodlines are involved! So much exuberance! Such glee!

I feel The Outer Worlds will show people just how bad Fallout 4 truly is by comparison. The reason anyone would enjoy FO4? Desperation.

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mysecretid

I hear you, but I liked Fallout 1, 2, 3 and 4. I wasn’t trying to pit the original two games against the last two with my comments.

The original games, and the two Bethesda games, are certainly different styles of game, but I felt that they all delivered on the kind of game they promised to be, while also evoking a sense of the Fallout world.

I’m actually a big fan of Fallout 4, personally, because of the “building settlements” feature. Somehow, the idea that I can bring back a little bit of civilization while I play helps to work against the sense of nihilism which can infect any post-apoc game.

Even though I’ve played about all there is to play of Fallout 4, I still can’t bring myself to remove the game from my PS4 drive yet.

That’s a sign of how much I enjoyed the game; I’m still not quite ready to get too far away from it. :-)

As Mewmew says, however, if you’re truly hungry for the classic Fallout 1 &2 game feel, you’ll want to check out the Wasteland games on Steam, et al.

They’re very much an homage to the original style of Fallout, and very well-made.

They also contain a metric tonne of playable content. I’m still not through all of Wasteland 2 — that game just goes on forever! :-)

Cheers,

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Schmidt.Capela

I personally see Fallout 4 as the worst of the bunch, but that is because I was never happy with Fallout becoming a shooter; I would rather have a Fallout that feels like a turn-based RPG (which Fallout 3 and NV manage to do thanks to VATS pausing the game and being a feasible way to play) than one that feels like a shooter first, RPG second.

Fallout 4 also seems to have the worst storytelling of the bunch.

That being said, I still see Fallout 4 as worthy of being called a Fallout game, and thus a good game. It’s just that it’s merely good among a number of exceptional games in the same franchise.

They’re very much an homage to the original style of Fallout, and very well-made.

The same way Fallout 1 was a homage to Wasteland ;)

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Nathan Aldana

I mean, I consider new vegas one of the best games of all time and genuinely likes 3 and 4, as well as loving 1 and 2. its just 76 from the moment it was announced looked like a bad idea given corporate form

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Bullet Teeth

By the way, this isn’t the only disaster that’s going on right now with this worthless pile of dogshit…

Remember how they once said that there’s never going to be P2W items in the Atom Shop? Well guess what!!

Today they’re running a promotion called “The Unstoppables”. Basically you get +15HP for every person in your party wearing a costume you can ONLY buy from the Atom Shop for 8$. So if you have a 4 person party rocking these costumes in the soon-to-be-released Survival mode that allows (for some fucking reason) old characters with juiced stats to participate, you’re looking at another 60HP in a game where the average high-level player has between 250 & 350 HP.

Know what that’s called kids?!

PAY TO WIN

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The health bonus is pretty small, but you’re right, it appears the members in your party do need items from Atom Shop for maximum effect:

The new "Become Unstoppable" event provides gameplay effects to atom shop exclusive items, This may only be temporary but it still goes against what we were told from fo76

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Nathan Aldana

yeah, if the free outfit cant be stacked then at best its a cheap dodge at claiming its free

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kimowar101

Its funny if the game went f2p, which it wont….people would suddenly declare it the best game ever.
Also I didn’t care for FO4 but having a blast on 76.

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wratts

Mmmmm . . . haven’t played the game but I seriously doubt that would be the reaction here. Around here games go F2P and the pool opens for picking shutdown windows

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Armsbend

I wouldn’t download it if it went free tonight.

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Schmidt.Capela

I would download it… in order to extract files and data that that could be used to mod Fallout 4 or other good Bethesda games.

Plus, if FO76 reaches widespread availability by becoming F2P, I’m fairly sure someone will find a way to mod the game to work offline and add NPCs — both companions and more conventional story-related ones — to it; that would instantly make the game far more interesting, far better, than this thing Bethesda is currently selling.

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kimowar101

in fairness to you, a lot of people believe anything they read…..

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xpsync

Same, i bought FO4 on sales a few weeks before F76, i was so bored within a couple hours. Fallout 76 however; love it!!! Best Fallout game to date (to me). I looked at the few hours i spent in 4 as a tutorial to playing 76.

I’d hate to say i’ll never play a single player game ever again (never say never) but recently picked up Elex (played the chit out of the Gothic series) and Elex is good but, this even goes back to GTA 5 never got out of Therapy office ffs, yet GTAO could not play that enough.

Sometimes i think progression plays a bigger role/part for me (maybe others) than one would initially believe. I don’t think about it but when i have, progression is integral, ok i just spent a few hours playing whatever sp game that i’ll probably never finish anyways, but if i was online and i gained anything it’s a permanent improvement, something to show for that time.

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Akagi

Even if it goes F2P I won’t touch it. There are a handful such games that were originally meant to be B2P, but were a disaster and went F2P in a last bid to survive, but they are so horrible that playing them is insulting to people’s intelligence.

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The “spend a miniscule amount of money on something tangentially related and get a free game!” is basically liquidating stock. Which means that stores can’t move the copies they have. Which means not great things for Bethesda.

As for the “game mechanics trigger our anti-cheating software” – the only reason I can come up with is a deep sign and a face-palm.

If I could come up with a circus music re-imagined as a funeral dirge, that’s what I would be playing for FO76

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Lack of research and faith in F076 isn’t an excuse but when mods are being developed to fix the issues and Bethesda shuts the fix down, then you have to feel some remorse for how that community is being treated.

I won’t be purchasing Rage 2, Elder Scroll 6 or Star Field regardless of how great those games may be and it may not be the developers fault.

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Mr Poolaty

Wow… I was so hyped for this game. The pre launch hype was incredible. I only played the beta for a few days just seemed off somehow…

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Matt Comstock

I was supportive of FO76, and still am to a degree, but i have moved on for the time being. I pop back in on occasion to say hello to my friends who are still hanging on. I had a lot of fun with it, despite the technical issues and other blunders. But 2+ months out, with the old issues resurfacing, the continual blunders, focus on PvP, etc, etc, I just won’t spend most of my free time on it.

On a positive note for FO76, in the last patch they at least updated recipes and plans so that you would know which ones you already acquired before you tried to buy new ones. And, recipes/plans, while more expensive, are no longer randomized at the vendors– so there is more consistency in being able to obtain recipes/plans you want/need.

If the last patch hadn’t resurrected old BS, it would have been enough to bring me back in on a bit more regular basis– i.e. it would have given me incentive to continue weathering the storm that it is FO76 (or brace myself against the fumes from the dumpster fire, that others consider it to be).

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That’s close to my experience too. I had fun with it, especially after the first couple patches resolved some major issues. But, despite some interesting quest stories, the constant reliance on bots and tapes makes it all feel at arms length, and I didn’t get pulled in as much as I did with earlier fallout games.

Too many other fun things vying for my time to continue playing this in its current state, but will keep an eye on it…