Part two of Warframe’s Buried Debts operation is live as community grumbles over events

    
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Part two of Warframe’s Buried Debts events is live this week, following up on last week’s operation launch. The best bit is that among the rewards are the chassis blueprint for Hildryn, the ‘frame that went live last week.

“Deck 12 is unlocked – if you know where to look. Work with Solaris United to take down The Exploiter while Operation: Buried Debts is still active. Every Diluted Thermia resource will allow you an encounter with The Exploiter, so harvest, stockpile and share them! You’ll only be able to take part in this event for a limited time, so be sure to take on The Exploiter or you’ll have to wait until Thermia Fractures re-appear in the Orb Vallis.”

You’ll recall that last week’s story point included puzzle content intended to be solved by Reddit, leading the community to criticize how Digital Extremes handled it (since the start is literally being posted by devs on Reddit and not anywhere in-game, which actually led to insufficient progress on the last event).

The next Nightwave episode is live as well:

As is a near-freebie color picker.

Source: Official site. Thanks, Sophiskiai!
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MassivelyMacD

Exploiter orb is one of the best boss fights in game. Entertaining.

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Alex Willis

Got my Opticor Vandal from running the fissures; haven’t even bothered with the rest. Gun is amazing, so it was all worth it for me, but the criticism is well-deserved.

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oldandgrumpy

Lost the plot in recent times it seems. I stopped playing when they removed the alerts as its replacement systems sucks.

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sophiskiai

Exploring what’s in the cave is very cool and atmopheric and fleshes out some more lore, and they completely knocked it out of the park with the awesome boss fight!

But everything else about the event, in terms of providing players with information and guidance and grouping tools, is just a complete mess:
* No bounty to matchmake groups for Thermia Fractures.
* No bounty to matchmake groups for the Exploiter boss fight.
* All players know about the Thermia Fractures is the reward list on the Orbiter’s notification panel until they get one throwaway line from Eudico in Fortuna and then enter the Vallis and examine one. Could’ve done with at least an inbox message from an NPC, like other events have.
* The first part of the Data Hash puzzle was solved by Partners and their communities before the rest of the community even knew about it. Telling the community in advance that it existed and would be given to Partners would’ve driven community engagement with the Partners and made the rest of us feel less left out.
* The second part of the Data Hash puzzle was just a needle-in-a-haystack pixel hunt with a little bit of attached NPC conversation and lore but no in-game indication of where to look for the out-of-game guidance, thus most of the community just ignored it or waited till there was a detailed guide to follow. I’ve seen a suggestion that they coudl’ve made it more interesting by tying it to the Base Capture system.
* The third part of the Data Hash puzzle was clearly meant to involve community progress followed by deciphering the glyphs and anagram and using that information to hack the console in the cave. Instead the devs artifically boosted progress because the community wasn’t bothering, which messed things up such that they took the puzzle offline for almost 24 hours then just opened the door in the cave without any requirement to solve the puzzle and hack the console.

Overall, it feels like they came up with a great environment and an awesome boss fight then rushed out a half-done event framework for them?

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Tobasco da Gama

The lack of bounties is just weird. They didn’t even need to be fully fleshed-out with objective markers and VOs, just a simple matchmaking queue like the Eidolon ones would have been fine.

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Shadex De'Marr

The data hash was honestly a level of difficulty and involvement elements of the current player landscape were not interested in. Not that it was impossible. Before I found one of the walk through videos I did locate several just by wandering around Orb Vallis with my scanner out as they light up like any scannable object. A lone person doing this might be frustrating but thousands of players doing this quickly locates every hash and I feel that is what DE was going for. A community objective not a solo one and that I feel is where it rubbed some the wrong way. Many current players are not overly group play centric. Look at how much hate developers get these days when they don’t make their MMOs solo friendly.

In the end I did use a video to find some of the last ones but I can see this event being a huge hit with the types of gamers that love mysteries and ARGs. For the rest of the base there was the endless kill kill repeat of the fissures that much of Warframe is known for. So I suppose I would want to give them credit for creating an aspect of the event supporting other play styles.

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Tobasco da Gama

That’s not good community engagement, though, is the thing.

It’s exactly what people complain about with Elite: Dangerous all the time. Unraveling the lore content is something only 1% of the player base is doing, and the rest of us just read the summaries in Cannon and maybe follow a walkthrough if we want whatever the reward is.

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sophiskiai

I can see this event being a huge hit with the types of gamers that love mysteries and ARGs.

They did some awesome mysteries and puzzles and ARGs leading up to the release of Fortuna, and the community loved it. But the puzzle/ARG element of this event most of the community didn’t know about and doesn’t have access to because of the way it was handed out to Partners.

And pixel hunts aren’t exactly difficult, just tedious.

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John Mynard

Here’s the thing about the whole “pixel hunt” take that I just don’t get:

The devs realized long ago that folks don’t necessarily like scanning all that much, even though it’s inherent to certain aspects of the game. So they gave us the Sentinels Helios and Helios Prime that literally scan everything.

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sophiskiai

The thing about Helios is that it requires line of sight, and doesn’t work while you’re using an archwing or hoverboard. So it works fine 99% of the time in normal missions, works fine 90% of the time out on the Plains, but in the Vallis with all its mountains and caves and vertical structures not so much.

Most of the scans for the current Operation are hidden on top of buildings and rocks and ledges (many of those rocks and ledges inside caves), in many cases I walked right past them and Helios didn’t trigger until I did some jumping and crouching around to get the right position and angle for line of sight. If I hadn’t been following a guide I could’ve passed them by with Helios out and never known they were there!

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Tobasco da Gama

Yeah, even with Helios out, the only one I managed to scan without consulting a spoiler photo album was… the one immediately outside the Fortuna elevator that’s basically impossible to miss.

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Tobasco da Gama

The Thermia Fractures event was basically fine, if a little samey.

The data hash thing was fucking awful, though. Hints only got sent out to WF Partners, and completing them resulted in a map of locations… where the pins still covered a huge amount of area, in some cases three-dimensional, and the target was basically a tiny rectangle that’s partially translucent.

The only way to reasonably do this was to wait for a detailed spoiler walkthrough to be published and then just check everything off the list. The alternative, even if you had the partner map to start from, is to spend hours just wandering around waiting for Helios to scan something and then hoping the thing Helios scanned was actually a data hash. (Oh, yeah, did I mention that there’s no indication whatsoever that you successfully scanned a data hash beyond the first one?)

I’d rather have made an international phone call to write down numbers from a pre-recorded message like in that one Secret World investigation mission.

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xpsync

I’d take it, get out there, and find peeps are fishing and chit, it broke they say? Planning on hitting this next time it’s around.

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sophiskiai

Yeah, the puzzle element broke. Instead you just walk into the cave and now the door opens for you.