No, Elite enemies in World of Warcraft: Classic are not dealing too little damage

    
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Doom approaches.

Remember how back in the earlier days of World of Warcraft every Elite was a vicious murder machine, leading to Bloodborne-esque dances of nearly dying every time one hit you? That’s an interesting memory, because it turns out that’s not true. After seeing player claims that far too little damage was being dealt by Rhahk’zor in the Deadmines, Blizzard fired up both the beta test and the internal test environment of 1.12 (which is the actual classic client in a state not acceptable for public use).

The results? Average damage dealt in both versions was identical. It turns out that at level 20 when you know how to gear up your tank, he actually doesn’t hit all that hard whatever you might remember. We’ll save the speculation on why that gap in memory might be there, but for now you can run forth and bravely catch an Elite enemy’s damage with your face, confident in the knowledge that it’s hurting just as much as it should be. Hooray!

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Me, circa 2004: I don’t tank often, but when I do, I do it in my skivvies with a two-handed sword.

Me, circa now: Where did that stupid heirloom screen go this patch?

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Hravik

This stuff right here is why I have my doubts about the longevity of classic. Unless you’re a true newbie to classic (I’m sure there will be a least a handful), then there will be little to no learning curve. Add that to an unchanging game stuck at one point in the game’s history, and I just see it getting boring fast.

Maybe that’s just me.

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Aiun Tanks

Probably the best thing about WoW classic is being able to rub it in the faces of those ass-hats who keep accusing modern WoW of being ‘dumbed down’.

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Kris P

Oh, you sweet summer child…

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Brandon Keaton Lee Channer

40 man raids, to 25 man raids to 10 man raids to even 5man raids. Yes it’s not dumbed down at all you’re correct.

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DSToast999

I’ll grant you that 40 people are harder to organize than 25, but other than numbers raids are harder now. In terms of mechanics, classic will be far easier, even if it is harder overall due to organization and possibly tuning.

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traja

It’s a little more complicated than that.

The easiest modes in the modern game are far easier than anything in Classic will be. There are game modes now that are literally impossible to fail at. In LFR you are making the game boring for the healers if you bother with mechanics. The easiest end game dungeons you can solo with your eyes closed.

But then the hardest modes are much harder too. Classic has nothing like mythic raiding in terms of mechanics nor are the the dungeons anything like high mythic+ keys.

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semugh

getting 40 idiot to not fail heigan safety dance. Erry day. That’s a feat.

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Alyn

One of the truths about Classic WoW rebirth in August, will be that there will be many, many experienced WoW players coming back home, so to speak. Yes, we’ve been there and done that. We WILL know how to gear a mage or warrior or even a pally. In fact if you are a holy paladin you’ll most likely be gearing for dungeons/group events with priest gear-FULL STOP. You all remember?

I certainly do. While it will be somewhat more time consuming, we have been there and explored the terrain. We will, for the most part know what’s out there. I guaranteed your memories will get jarred rather rapidly. I really think that it may not be as “hard core” as predicted. I would describe it more in terms of time in.

I think it will be interesting to get a review. say sometime around Christmas 2019 to see how folks have fared and if turned as they imagined.

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Alyn

Remember this song, old timers?

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Kris P

Well there are a lot of us that have been playing on private servers for a long time. While not guaranteed to be tuned perfectly, it’s probably safe to say that the experience will be in the same ballpark, so to speak. I think a lot of people who are used to pulling large groups and facerolling are in for a nasty surprise the first time they accidentally pull 3 murlocs while trying to claw their way to level 15.

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kalech

This just in: People slightly misremembered something that happened 15 years ago. More shocking news at 10.

Seriously though. I think the reason people have this “Elites really hurt” memory, is because elites DID hurt… If you encountered them solo while questing. Easy enough to confuse that feeling with dungeon mobs, who were a different thing.

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Kris P

They sure did. Friggin Mor’ladim in duskwood seemed to pat everywhere. Dude was a death sentence for several levels.

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Neurotic

My official acid test will be the Hogger fight. If that goes down to the absolute wire, I’ll know everything is as it should be. :D

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Rottenrotny

My body is ready.

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agemyth 😩

God, Rhahk’Zor is literally just the generic ogre model with that goofy rock-tied-to-a-stick hammer. I certainly don’t miss how uninspired a lot of the dungeon and boss design was back then. Also, he has no mechanics to his fight XD The good old tank and spank days when things were “hardcore”.

It’s nice to see Blizzard are willing to demonstrate some of the effort they go through to make this an accurate experience.

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traja

The title is misleading. This test only covers a single boss in a dungeon and not elite enemies in general. Further it is incorrect to assume that faulty memories is the only explanation. Classic is based on 1.12 which was a very brief period of time in Vanilla. Most people leveled their characters in some much older version of the game.

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Neurotic

Thank you Mr. Spock, I’ll be in my quarters.

:D

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Bruno Brito

Still not an issue with damage values on the mobs.

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Randy Savage

Looks like the #MakeAzerothGreatAgain crowd is having a conflict between perception and reality. I expect many more to come.

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Dug From The Earth

This goes right up there with that list Blizzard released of “These arent actual bugs, they working as intended” items from classic that many felt were broken.

This one in this article is funny because peoples perception of WoW back in 2005 was that it was more difficult, because we were inexperienced and ignorant to a lot of things.

While Im looking forward to classic (because anything is better than BFA right now), im gonna laugh when someone hits level 60 before the launch week is even over. Something that would have been absolutely unheard of back when WoW was in its vanilla state.

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Carlo Lacsina

Im curious about this too… I wonder how long it’ll take to get world first to 60!

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Brandon Keaton Lee Channer

no, it’s because this is based on an elite in a dungeon, not open world. I would love to see wow players today do 40 man naxx due to being more “experienced”

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Brandon Keaton Lee Channer

or more like you and the author of this post have no idea how classic was. Elites in open world were strong, not dungeon elites. But do enjoy your battle for azeroth