Guild Wars 2 is removing language restrictions on linking worlds with the upcoming WvW restructure

    
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Misty.

30We don’t mean to blow anyone’s minds, but there are a few different languages spoken in the EU. At least three. This poses a unique challenge for developers dealing with cross-world functionality, something that has been relevant with the Guild Wars 2 WvW system; linked worlds have generally stuck with the same language for the playerbase, so that everyone can communicate freely. With the upcoming restructuring process, however, that practice will be abolished and worlds will be linked regardless of languages spoken.

The idea is ultimately to provide additional data about grouping players speaking multiple languages as well as creating fairer overall links. Players are invited to leave feedback about the change, although the phrasing certainly seems to imply that this is a decision that’s already been made; hopefully any feedback offered is positive. We can only hope that shouting loudly about what you want players to do is a universal language.

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I don’t get it. The America’s (North and South) and Asia have been getting along fine for years with language barriers. Sure, English is primary but Korean, Chinese, Portagese, French, Spanish and a host of others are all spoken at length in map chat and in voice comms. You accept that the imperial language isn’t the only one and pick up a few foreign words. Most, if not all of them speak a little English so it’s not hard to figure out what’s going on.

You’d think that Europe being so international, would be accepting of mixing languages and cultures like. They are losing thier shit over nothing.. The Germans and French (making a big deal) need to get over themselves.

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miol

-“…Europe being so international…”

If so, the EU wouldn’t have that many problems finding decisions for their own good.
It’s not without a reason, there were so many horrendous wars in such a small place, and there still exist so many countries with their own languages.

Tribalism at its purest! Not at all international!

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MassivelyMacD

While in the US these other languages are all languages of immigrants (well, basically english is a language of immigrants as well), in Europe these languages are national languages. There are still nations, you know? So not everybody can switch to english nor are they willing to do so because english has by far not the same meaning throughout Europe as it has in the US.

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Filippo Chinello

In Europe, we have something that the states don’t have, you know, History.

It’s like telling your life long-married friend to drop his wife and marry a new young unknown lady just because you say she’s better

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kgptzac

Not sure if original poster was trolling, but replies citing history as a reason not tolerating your neighbor is a poor excuse.

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Filippo Chinello

Tolerating Neighbor? We are talking about learning a new language, what are you even talking about

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kgptzac

Is that what we’re talking about? I thought we are talking about using history as an excuse to distrust your neighbors when you can choose to or not to use a few phrases of English in order to minimally coordinate with them.

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Filippo Chinello

ok

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Randy Savage

It’s been so long since I’ve heard anything about the world restructuring that I assumed it was never going to happen, especially after all the layoffs, so I’m glad to see them talking about it again. The language restrictions have largely been bypassed for years now anyway so this will be a nonissue.

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Filippo Chinello

Anyone in the EU can speak and understand English well enough to play a mmorpg. they teach English in schools from the age of 6 (at least here in Italy) and in most cases, you also study a third language at the age of 12.

Also, WwW doesn’t require you a C1, you just need to curse the enemy team for zerging and read the chat to know where to join your server zerg lol

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miol

Apart from players wanting to have fun while chating, and only be mindless and compliant to commandos, I’m sorry to burst your bubble in your lucky close community, but you are only part of 38% of Italians, who can at least hold a conversation in English!

Germany only 56%, France only 39%, Poland 33%, Spain 22%,…

Compared to countries with way less population:
Sweden 86%, Finnland 70%, Denmark 86%, Cyprus 73%, Netherlands 90%,…

EU avarages at only 38%!
http://ec.europa.eu/commfrontoffice/publicopinion/archives/ebs/ebs_386_en.pdf

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Frank White

He did qualify his statement by saying, “at least here in Italy,” and Italy does in fact teach English to all students now – although I don’t think for very long – along with Germany, Denmark, Sweden, and Malta. I imagine the percentage of people who can’t speak English conversationally in these countries (and others) rises with the ages of the populations.

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miol

He did qualify his statement by saying, “at least here in Italy,”

Again: Italy only 38% compared to e.g. Netherlands with 90%!

-“along with Germany, Denmark, Sweden, and Malta.”

And yet the official results of quoted study says something very different.
Again: Germany only 56% compared to Denmark with 86%!

Only remembering the question “¿Donde esta la biblioteca?” from high school lessons, doesn’t mean you know enough Spanish either! ;P

Sure, you would assume any youth of most countries would know more English than the generation before, but education quality is key (money spent well) and the starting points are low.

GW2 would be long shut down until Italy or Germany reaches the 80% mark, even less so the proud French. ;P

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cykelbud

So according to the chart Ireland and UK are the worst at speaking English, 6% and 10% ???. This can’t be true!

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miol

Nope, as a proper study they didn’t only surveyed English native speakers in UK and Ireland, but also people living in those countries, where English is only their second or third language.

Their proportion in the country’s population is high enough to be seen in the stats!

Germany has also 10% for German! As they just took in 1 million Syrian refugees, it’s gonna change that stat too!

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Filippo Chinello

That graph is very confusing, if the UK has English under its section, then why Italy doesn’t have Italian?
Also, I’m quite sure the % of people knowing English here is far below, in fact, if you open different websites you find different numbers.

The point tho is that most of the people playing an MMORPG know English well enough to chat in a game.
I guess you can’t use a common survey (that counts in even my grandma) to calculate that.

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miol

-“That graph is very confusing, if the UK has English under its section, then why Italy doesn’t have Italian?”

Italy has only 8% of their population with foreign background, while in Germany it’s already 20%! So only in certain countries that situation creeps up.
Never mind Latin derrived language (Spanish, Portuguese) speaking immigrants, who could easily learn Italian in a heartbeat.

Or in France, where many immigrants came from already French speaking African countries!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Italy -> numbers from ISTAT

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany#Immigrant_population_in_Germany_by_country_of_birth -> numbers by BAMF on behalf of the German goverment

outdated, but also EUROSTAT: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/3888793/5850217/KS-RA-11-019-EN.PDF

-“..if you open different websites you find different numbers. “

My source from goverments/EU itself, can’t be more official!

-“I guess you can’t use a common survey (that counts in even my grandma) to calculate that.”

Italy has only 21% of 65+ years old persons! So assuming no 65+ knows English at all, would still mean only 48% of the rest of the population would know English!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Italy

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Filippo Chinello

In Italy, English became officially mandatory in primary school the 28 June 1991.
that means anyone above the age of 28 is not to be considered part of this study :/

Furthermore, in my original post, I stated that the level of English needed for an MMORPG is so low anyone could use it.
I bet the level of English needed for a conversation (something similar to what we are using now) is far above that. In IELTS terms, I’d say they are speaking about a B2, that is the level required to apply for an Italian university.
American universities, for example, ask a C1 (the next level)

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Filippo Chinello

Most of those people part of the 38% are most likely under 30, English wasn’t taught in schools before the 90s (at least here) so it’s perfectly normal to have such a low number of people handling it.

The rest are probably part of the older population that is totally irrelevant in the gaming industry. You know, my grandma can’t even speak Italian because up to the 80s people used dialects more than our main language.

It’s nice to have graphs and charts but they are useless if you don’t understand them

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MassivelyMacD

I am german and work in an internationally operating corp lead from France. If what I listen to on a daily basis in telcos is english, I learned the wrong language.

The barrier is much higher than you think. Apart from that, you know the term “comfort zone”? At the end of the day this is about gaming, so why should people leave this comfort zone?

Most players I know in GW2 will view this step from ANet as bad, taking away the last bit of “server pride” that was left after the megaservers took it away from PvE.

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Ironwu

What could go wrong?

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Кристалл Величия

I thought LEEEEROY JEEEENKINS was a universal language

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Makhiel

Toll. I don’t WvW but weren’t the non-English servers a small minority like it is (was?) in LotRo?

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Utakata

…I always thought cussing was a universal language. o.O

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Schmidt.Capela

Through voice, yep. Intonation and tone goes a long way.

In text, only if it triggers the profanity filter. Otherwise, how do you know if something like “Krutack” is cussing or not?
(Fictional example taken from Rocket Racoon.)

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Utakata

Quoting the Rocket has made my day though! <3