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Wardemonxi .

I doubt this is a slip up.
Didn’t the owners of Black Desert fairly recently buy CCP/eve?
I swear I remember reading that and then thinking that this game will slowly go pay to win.
They probably want to slow roll it like they did black desert so it doesn’t put people off too much too fast.
What happened in BDO is that they said it wont be p2w and they slowly introduced first stuff that was slightly p2w but not too bad so it was acceptable. Then when people complained the people who felt it was acceptable defended pearl abyss. Then they slowly rolled more and more in and those defenders were already kind of locked in to their position of defending the practice and labeling those they argued with about it whiners. So when the most egregious things came the complaining was all just the usual noise until years later everyone accepted the game was extremely p2w but people were tired of talking about it and arguing it.
There is probably no way to prevent the game going full p2w now but just understand the company purposely uses the slippery slope incremental method so to have a chance to stop it the players would have to take a hard stance even against the smaller elements of p2w right now.

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Chad Morgan

1 million skill points will not get you close to being productive. Hell I have 10 million and I still cant enjoy the good stuff, not enough skills for most corps. They are off doing shit and constantly saying you dont have the skills. Turns me off. I log in train skills, learn about what I need to get where I want, play the market for some isk then go play omething else. No one wants you. This is the downfall of many MMO’s, after years new players are left so far behind they end up no where unless they want to join some vampire sex cult. Maybe open a new server for just new players, then players are on level ground with each other. Old players can argue but what will they do to someone with 1 million skill points? Run through em like a hot knife through warm butter. Can you go to low sec and get out alive? Hell’s no. Stop whining and gank on as always.

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Jon Wax

Just gonna suggest you log in, dick around and bail. The guys you wanna roll with are dedicated and put in grind to go do what they’re doing. If you really wanted to roll you’d stay on and grind upwards.

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Chad Morgan

I have a goal and work toward it, electronic warfare. I left that Corp last week. Moving to other side of country next week. So qued up skills to last and spending time with family til I leave. But over all, 1 million points dont get you no where. So I dont understand all the outrage. You need fresh blood if you want the game to continue. Some will give you a ship but freak out over some sp? Pffft retarded. Sp does not equal skill or know how.

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Life_Isnt_Just_Dank_Memes

Imagine wanting to join that game as a new player now? I guess if you actively hate yourself and want others to treat you like dookie then it’ll be your jam I guess.

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Sorenthaz

Sounds like CCP really wants new blood in the game if they’re doing all that for $5.

To be fair, the entry curve/barrier is insane for a game like that. But that definitely seems like overkill/desperation.

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PurpleCopper

Imagine being a dedicated EVE player since the beginning sinking over a decade worth of investment into the game. Other players might think you’re a little nuts, but you brush it aside because you can take pride in the fact that you have the highest amount of skill levels and NOBODY will ever overtake you EVER.

Oh sure, there are other players famous for destroying limited edition ships, or having a hangar of those limited edition ships. But everyone knows YOU, because you are the highest level person there is.

But then out of the blue some greenhorn casual player with less than one day of time investment into the game completely maxes out his skill levels with a whole bunch of cash.

Well shit, now you just feel stupid for wasting all that time into the game with no feeling of actual accomplishments to show for.

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silverlock

Will a million skill points really max a character out? That seems unlikely to me.

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Covynant001

No, and that shipped said years ago when skill injectors were introduced.

Some whale did exactly that, spent some stupid amount of ISK to inject every skill in the game into a new character.

Eventually got perma banned for running illegal ISK casino or some such.

There were players who were upset by injectors, guy I knew had subbed to EVE since launch and he did view his SP number as an achievement.

The fact he had done nothing but solo mine in high sec the entire time was the more amazing fact to me, should get some sort of endurance award for that accomplishment.

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Chad Morgan

A million skill points wont do much. Gets you able to survive the tutorial and agency missions for awhile. That wont last long. Game has a steep learning curve and newbs will waste that million on useless skills more often than not.

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Arktouros

I don’t disagree, but the entire idea that characters are sacred pretty much goes out the window once they sanctioned character sales and then later introduced skill injectors. Like they’re past that point.

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PurpleCopper

Oh yea, I totally agree. It was cute when the marketing of the game when it was first released said “It’ll take you 30 years to max out your characters”. But now more than 15 years later we’re past that halfway mark where EVE looks like it can seriously survive more than 30 years.

Nobody wants to sink 30 years into a game, so now they’ve added character sales and skill injectors and etc to lure new blood to the game.

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kgptzac

investment into the game

I think this is the first mistake, treating playing video games as an “investment”. The second mistake is to take pride of accomplishment with the amount of SP you gain from passively training… and then get disappointed when realities of economics change.

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Jon Wax

No different then golf?

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Jon Wax

While the metrics don’t match THIS is what it means to be a corrosive player. You log in years after the party starts and expect same experience that vets have. Devs cave to match those desired new demographics, vets bail, new folk move on to FOTM rinse repeat. You can claim toxic all day if you want to but you gotta carry the corrosive nature of your own attitude toward gaming and how it’s bringing the scene down. And it is very much doing just that.

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athiev

I love the idea that it’s fine to sell skill injections within the game, but this is somehow different. Existing transactions involve paying money for a subscription to generate skill points, paying money for a skill point extractor, then selling the points to someone who paid money for their PLEX. What, are players worried that this will somehow unleash a wave of hypothetical skill point inflation or something?

Eve is as pay-to-win as anything can conceivably be; hence, if that’s not a problem for you usually, it’s hard to understand caring about this.

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Arktouros

This is really splitting hairs.

You can buy PLEX for real life cash, then sell PLEX for in game currency, then buy skill injectors for in game currency. I mean I can take a lump sum of cash and just go buy fully skilled out characters as part of the character trading market even.

Like the P2W topic is always stupid. It comes down to a real basic question: If I had $50,000 to spend on your game how far would that progress me in the game? In EVE’s case a $5 skill package doesn’t amount to shit compared to the amount of PLEX I could sell and instant wealth/character advancement I could get out of the other $49,995.

The only reason people are quitting is because they were looking for an excuse to quit the game. Nothing is functionally changing in the game with this addition. They just saw an easy thing to be “outraged” at and smashed that eject button.

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Ironwu

Honestly, a million skill points might sound like a lot but it barely gets you into a good spot with Battlecruisers and their loadouts. Especially don’t see the issue since it is a one-time purchase. Didn’t hear complaints when they were giving away a million skill points (only to subscribers; f2p got much less) for just logging in.

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Covynant001

If I understood correctly the issue is veteran players can purchase these $5 starter packs and inject a million skill points into their 100M SP characters with none of the usual penalties.

If not limited a single purchase one could buy $100 worth and get 20M SPs to add to a character of any age, an offer that might even tempt me to throw down a few hundred and get that titan training I’ve never pursued.