The Daily Grind: Do you want to see WoW’s factions dissolved?

    
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World of Warcraft’s latest cinematic has a lot of WoW fans in a frenzy right now because it’s dropping some big hints about a truce between the Horde and Alliance. And not just a Shattrath kind of truce, but a permanent and meaningful one, the kind where shouting “for the Horde” and “for the Alliance” as grown adults in a theater starts to seem extra silly because hey, we’re all on the same side.

It wouldn’t be the first time WoW’s toyed with this, nor would it be the first time MMOs have done away with many distinctions between factions – RIFT is coming immediately to mind. But if Blizzard were to, say, shatter the factional divide to the point that Alliance and Horde could group together for content? Well now, that’d be a big damn deal, especially for a studio that has repeatedly resisted such ideas and has traditionally refused to even allow us to chat cross-faction lest it become unable to exploit our tribal instincts. Yeah, I said it!

What about you? Do you want to see WoW’s factions dissolved? And do you think it would be a good thing for the game and its future development?

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jimthomasUS
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jimthomasUS

Tauren should’ve been alliance from the start. Honestly the entire system felt fraudulent after that point.

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MikeInTheLab

This probably should have occured after Lich King, DEFINITELY after Cataclysm. If not getting rid of it, at least reorganization of who is allied to who.

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7BitBrian

Sure, why not right? I mean one side just committed a literal genocide on the other faction, and they even call it as much in the lore itself, they murdered innocent civilians and CHILDREN by the thousands. But let’s totally ignore that and have them just work together now. Cause that’s just how things work right? Totally not something that makes it impossible to ever work with or be allies with any of those involved right? It makes total narrative sense right?

But with how bad Blizzard writing has been of late, I am sure that is exactly what is going to happen. They’ll pull a Garrosh, blame it all on Sylvanas, even though thousands of other Horde members gleefully participated and didn’t start questioning her until she targeted them well after the genocide, so are 100% complicit and just as responsible. But Blizzard cant be expected to actually remember and follow their own story, the one they just released less than a year ago. So yea, this probably will happen.

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Jiminy Smegit

The horde vs alliance thing has always been written to a level of a pre-match wrestling, screaming at the camera sort of thing. Its just dumb entertainment. It is probably about time they did away with the fake war, makes it easier on them if they only have to design content for one faction. Maybe they can make it suck a little less. They just need to fix the classes, add crowd control back in……..you know what, the list is too long. Suck a little less is probably their best outcome.

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Anstalt

I don’t play WoW so can’t comment on the specifics.

However, the game has been designed around 2 factions from the start. There are ~15 years of history of there being 2 factions, all baked into not just the story but the game systems themselves.

It seems to me that doing away with the factions would require such an enormous amount of work to do right that it’s just not worth doing. What are the benefits? I assume the main benefit is that you’ll be able to team up with a larger amount of players? If so, that only matter for groups being formed on the server itself. If you’re using group finder then getting rid of the factions won’t make any difference at all – you still have a massive pool of players to team up with.

And, as I understand it, there isn’t much need to form groups on your own server except for at endgame where the content is hard and group finder would be inappropriate.

So, my uninformed opinion is that it’d be pointless and difficult to achieve, and VERY likely to have lots of negative side-effects.

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roo woods

From the comments in this thread it seems pretty clear that those that like PVE don’t see an issue with getting rid of factions but those that like PVP have a problem with it .

It seems to me that to get rid of factions could quite possibly lead to a drop in subscribers . It wouldn’t be a smart business decision .

My thoughts if they want to have such a big change then perhaps develop a sequel to World of Warcraft where the Horde and Alliance have come to a truce and offer a new player faction for them to fight .

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starbuck1771

Ok and where is the problem with doing away with Horde vs Alliance? As I have said there are other ways to work in PvP. At this point people like yourself are just scared of something unknown and being pigheaded. Keeping the status quo is doing more harm than good. It it time for change. After all there is war mode and battlegrounds/arenas. Things wouldn’t change that much just by ending the eternal war. It is time to move on.

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roo woods

I have to ask why are you so adamant to impose your will on people who enjoy the nature of faction based pvp because you want to do pve content with people from the opposing faction ?

Its you who “pigheadedly” wanting change for changes sake when the status quo is perfectly good for much of the WoW player base .

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Utakata

…as it has pointed out that PvP will likely exist post faction WoW. In fact, it has to …as there has been too much heavy development into playstyle for it not for them to continue it in a meaningful fashion. While it’s dynamics will likely change, PvP will most likely exist after the faction merge. As PvP already exists already in single faction PvE MMO’s in a healthy capacity. So there’s that.

And no one has really indicated either way which position they take on PvP. You seem to be surmising this on a constructed assumption, without ever asking how the readers how they feel about PvP. If there is anything, it appears the pro-PvP faction is making the most noise about this. And fairly disingenuously, I might add. However, I do not and will not assume that’s the position for every PvP or PvE player. /shrug

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roo woods

I don’t think you understand that for many people who do PVP going up against the Horde if you are a member of the alliance is integral to the PVP experience .

Out of interest would you be against going back to separate PVP and PVE servers and just dissolving the factions on the PVE and keeping them intact on the PVP Servers ?

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Utakata

Whatever Blizz decides to do (and if they decide to merge the factions). As long as I can turn on or off my readiness for PvP, as they have always allowed me to do to a degree.

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Ben Stone

Nah. I like the faction war. What I would like is an end to the “We must team up to beat the big baddie” trope. It’s getting old.

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rafael12104

Meh… why? No, I mean at this point, is there an overwhelming need? There are lots of ways to stir the pot, and this isn’t a good one.

All that would happen is reddit would blow up. The game would bleed some subs and then… it would and then stabilize after the next Act/Blizz blunder.

Not worth the effort on the Bliz side of things. And on my side, it wouldn’t make me come running back to WoW.

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starbuck1771

Actually it might turn things around and bring back some who left. Sure PvPers love to believe that the game world revolves around them but that’s not the case. To stay at the top of the heap you have to evolve. There will always be conflict in WoW. It doesn’t mean it has to be an eternal fight between Alliance & Horde. Look how many times they fought the same enemy like the forsaken & the burning legion. There are ways this could work.

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roo woods

What exactly do you lose as a PVEer if they dissolve factions ? Nothing much you get to still get to play exactly the way you want to play albeit you cannot do group content with the opposing faction .

What do PVPers lose if they dissolve factions ? Everything that they love about faction based PVP .

The game doesn’t revolve around PVPers or PVEers it revolves around both .

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starbuck1771

The same could be asked of you? Because if they unify both they will find ways to make PvP work. You’re just too blind to realize that. Btw it is clear you don’t read each post as I said before I do both PvP and PvE. I just don’t have to be short sighted like you clearly are. Are you one of those kids that only does PvP using third party software? Because that’s how you’re appearing.

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PurpleCopper

Faction Wafare in WoW is never going to be gone. It’s like death and taxes.

But imagine there was a “pseudo-faction” aka Death Knight unique storyline, where you temporarily joined a faction until the storyline ended.

There will be TWO Horde factions, the “rebel” Horde faction led by Thrall which is the true Horde faction, and the “Sylvanas” faction that is a temporary faction for ppl who want to betray Thrall. At the end of the “Sylvanas”faction storyline, your character gets deleted permanently, and then you automatically start a fresh character in the “true” Thrall faction.

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mags who

sounds like an awful idea to me but i guess if they have an island somewhere which will act as neutral territory perhaps it could work . i think it would be a mistake to get rid of factions elsewhere in the game . the horde vs alliance war is central to the popularity of wow pvp , to get rid of it would be a very risky course of action to take .

if people like the idea of being all in one faction in pve there are plenty of other games that do it well .

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Christmas Dog

It really isn’t, though. Arena is faction neutral, and that’s the primary method of ranked PvP in WoW. BGs are instanced and easily explained away as being Caverns of Time style battles for people to “experience the past” or however they want to write it. War mode could be written as mercenary work or individual skirmishes between smaller groups.

Nothing in WoW’s PvP is strictly linked to a faction war plot.

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mags who

i am sure they can come up with a convoluted explanation to explain everything away but that is different from getting pvper’s to swallow such a change .

i wasn’t really just talking about instanced pvp . i’ve not played for a while myself but i am still in contact with my old guild who still do a lot of things in war mode which sounds like the old world pvp and there is real faction pride still among many pvper’s . take that away and you take away a large proportion of what makes wow pvp special for them . i know they have loved attacking horde cities in the past although i am not sure if they do it anymore .

i think this is a case of the pve crowd seeing no problem with the removal of factions because it doesn’t impact what they enjoy and they can’t for whatever reason understand why its important for those that enjoy pvp .

i am sure many would say much in wow’s pvp is linked to the faction war .