Global Chat: Stressing about WoW Classic’s community

    
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Late June’s World of Warcraft Classic stress test gave many MMO bloggers plenty to talk about, with pros and cons being lobbied about from every quarter.

MMO Fallout’s Connor praised the game’s helpful community and lively atmosphere, noting that “Classic isn’t so much hardcore as it is slower and more meticulous.” On the flip side, Blessing of Kings’ Coriel has concerns about a lack of help between players: “Classic is a game which requires other people. If there are no other people around, it becomes a very frustrating experience.”

The Last Chapter’s Atheme agrees that the community aspect is vital to an enjoyable experience: “People were super good about grouping in Northshire, but not so much once outside of it. I could have just tossed invites myself, and I think in a live game I’ll try to do that or send a tell to prospects. It is all so much simpler with a group.”

Misdirections: Learning curves and Plan B

“Playing FFXIV has given me a taste of how intimidating WoW must be to brand new players. And when a game is that intimidating, it simply is not going to attract large numbers of new customers.”

I Has PC: Pantheon: The rise of the lore

“Interesting thing is as I am listening and watching the stories – many that are very cryptic and talk about things that maybe I should know more about – I look at it through a video game lens. Oh, that’s a dungeon we will explore someday. That must be a raid boss. Etc, etc. Oh, lost pages, only three have been recovered? I bet there are more to find. It is a story based on a video game (or parts of a video game) so hopefully all the things mentioned end up in the design somewhere, somehow.”

Neverwinter Thoughts: Getting reacquainted

“I didn’t know it was possible to feel this lost in a game that you’ve played for more than five years and have only been away from for six months. Is this Neverwinter’s NGE? I think at this point it doesn’t even matter whether the changes are good or bad, there are just too many of them. With my cleric’s base functionality completely changed and numerous abilities removed or revamped, it feels like I’m playing a completely different game, one in which I just happen to have characters that look like the ones I used to play.”

Let's do this together! Team-building!

Me vs. Myself and I: Early impressions of Dauntless

“I can see why comparisons were made between Dauntless and Monster Hunter World, mainly because you play a hunter and you’ll team up with other hunters to go on hunts to kill big bad creatures. Another similarity is that though you don’t have a class per se, you do have different attacks and abilities if depending on the weapons you decide to use.”

Matt Fossen: Confessions of a clicker

“Here’s the deal: We clickers KNOW that we’re clickers. Keybinders have been pointing it out to us for YEARS, as if we were somehow unaware of our ‘condition.’ You can stop pointing it out. Our reasons are our own, and our play style impacts yours in no way whatsoever. Next time a keybinder wants to knock a clicker down a few notches when they do something impressive, they might want to remember: the ‘inferior’ clicker was able to do something that they could not.”

Contains Moderate Peril: Hoard it or spend it?

“The curious paradox that arises from accruing resources that exist to be spent yet hesitating to do so, because you don’t like the idea of using it and being left with significantly less. I’m no psychiatrist but I suspect this reticence may stem from the investment of time it takes to gain in-game currencies and the fact that once spent, the clock is reset.”

Every day there are tons of terrific, insightful, and unusual articles posted across the MMO gaming blogosphere — and every day, Justin reads as many as he can. Global Chat is a sampling of noteworthy essays, rants, and guides from the past few weeks of MMO discourse.

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Josh

Community will probably be the main reason that Classic WoW won’t feel like Vanilla WoW to veteran players. Gamers have just changed too much from that era. The slow pace of Vanilla was much more normal back in the day, so clearing a dungeon one pull at a time while marking mobs for CC was expected. Now people are used to clicking LFG, then plowing straight through everything with a tank that just AoE holds aggro against everything while a single word is never spoken in chat.

And even if players know that Classic comes with a slower pace of clearing stuff, gamers are just now too used to “social” games where no one ever says a word to each other.

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xpsync

I’m unsure how i’m going to react to classic.

I’ve really acclimated to the new wow, when a dungeon starts to take a little to long people leave WTF??? Which was weird i’d never just bail on a run that’s unthinkable to me.

Being honest though i almost feel like it myself sometimes as i’m so used to “plow” right through and hope for a good drop, done, back to waht i was doing or go again.

So i come back to wow because of classic now i know i’ll be there for launch but yea i dunno now, the whole thing couldn’t be more “that was then this is now”.

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Chosenxeno .

Matt Fossen is a Dirty Clicker. He must be shamed for such an egregious act. I don’t even know that he’s a Man now. Seriously? Clicking? Clickers should be outed and ostracized!

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angrakhan

I’m confused. Since when did Vanilla require grouping? I had 4 max level characters in Vanilla and none of them required a group to get there. Once they hit max level and I respecced for dungeons and raids then soloing became a royal pain for my non-dps classes ( prot warrior and resto druid), but I didn’t level them in that spec. Maybe I’m misremembering Vanilla?

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Mordyjuice

Nope you’re correct, that blogger just needs to ‘Git Gud’.

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Randy Savage

To complete every single quest line, you had to group due to some areas that were full of elites. They were intended for groups. But you could also skip those quest lines and still reach max level no prob. People want to act like WoW used to be hardcore but it was always considered casual compared to other MMO’s that came before it.

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xpsync

You have to actually play and learn your class’s strengths and weakness’s, which could be a problem… well as you witnessed is a strange new phenomenon to most modern players.

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Mordyjuice

Not sure why that blogger had issues soloing in Classic WoW, that’s mainly what I did through out Classic and Burning Crusade (when it was harder), hell I remember grinding from level 55 to 58 out side of that first quest hub in Hellfire Peninsula for the XP and Green Gear which was better than anything you could get on Azeroth out side of Raids (which I didn’t do until Karazahn at the end of Burning Crusade on a Restoration Shaman, didn’t start tanking until a rolled a Death Knight).

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maydrock .

” I could have just tossed invites myself”

One of the quickest ways to earn a /ignore. Maybe a quirk of mine, but I find that so rude.

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Ironwu

Yeah. I get a guild or dungeon invite without a personal message it is an automatic decline. If the inviting person cannot be bothered to talk to me directly, then I certainly don’t want to be involved with them, their guild, or their party. Just the way it is.

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Robert Mann

I have only one exception to this: Games where there isn’t quest sharing for contributing to a fight, and about to fight a boss. I’m down at that point for that fight.

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Bryan Correll

You and me both. Blind invites get declined in almost all cases. Sending another blind invite after I’ve already declined tends to place you on the ignore list.

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Ironwu

Well, clicker operations come in different flavors.

If you are clicking on Grid or VuhDo with a mouse setup for multiple Shft/Ctrl/Alt variants on the Lft/Rt/Mdl mouse buttons and clicking? Well that is WAY faster than selecting a target then using a keybind.

On the other hand, if the mouse is used to select the target, then moving down to the hotkey row and clicking on the ability? That is WAY slower than using a keybind. Using the keybind, you can select with the mouse then immediately use the keybind. Or, select with a keybind and then almost simultaneously use the ability keybind.

I am sorry, there may be apocryphal stories of ‘effective’ clickers, but I don’t believe it and it has not been my experience. I put them right in there with keyboard turners and 1st person view raiders: First to Die.

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Minimalistway

I saw videos of a player soloing current raid bosses, he is doing great, doing what many could not do, he have talent, you can see that in the video, does any of this matter to the anti-clicking crowd? of course not … many comments on the video focusing on the clicking not what the player is doing.

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Robert Mann

I used to specifically tell off people who pushed the idea you needed an addon as above to perform well. I’d direct tell healers in raid that since they were ignorant I was going to keyboard turn and ability click… and that I’d outheal them and call it out in raid. And I did. I was usually 15-20% higher heals than them in comparable gear/builds. People in raid would be laughing the second fight as I turned all janky. It was good times shaming the ‘I know best’ attitude.

The point of that, and your point, is that this attitude is not only rather offensive but it’s demonstrably false that people cannot do well with it. My own experience is those who are elitists about things tend to have at least as many problems, and often times are merely looking for something to blame when they fail. Given a lack of interest in being blamed, I will take their ‘rejects’ and clear the content faster than them. :D

Sure, keyboard turning makes things more difficult. Hotkeys make it a little easier. Etc. But none of that precludes ability, and ignoring that merely makes people sound rather nasty.

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Chosenxeno .

Keyboard turning is disgusting. Especially if it’s a Tank.
This is a true story:

During Cata I had to find a new job and I wanted to move so I took a Break. I returned and got caught up. I learned that in my absence they had not killed Nefarian again(we had kills before I started my job search and move).

I was a pretty tremendous Healer in my day so I figured maybe the Healers just weren’t up to snuff or something. So we go in there, I’m doing my thing. We were still wiping. So I started watching the tank. He was always suspect and really just the number 2 guy. I forget which mechanic but I watched him repeatedly turn in place and then run. He was KB Turning😡

The fact that he was Keyboard turning cost the guild a month of Nef loot. KB Turning is a detriment to progress if the wrong person is doing it. Healers aren’t under the demands to have the absolute best movement mechanics of Tanks. That’s why they get “leaps”. We(I’m a Healer too) can get away with a bit more. “Oops stood in stupid time to pop my self targeting instant heal macro and pretend it never happened”. :P

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Robert Mann

Yeah, I dislike keyboard turning myself. I did it mostly to prove just how silly people are about this stuff. Performance matters more than how somebody gets that performance, and the ‘elitism’ in games is far worse than dealing with the frustrations of helping any but the most stubborn and unwilling to learn to play decently.

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Chosenxeno .

I have a cheeky post above but I clicked most of Vanilla WoW and didn’t learn of Addons until we started Molten Core. I rate KB Turners as the worst(well not as low as Backpedalers lol)

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Ironwu

*Laughs* Yeah, I was playing 1st person (EQ1 habit) until I started serious grouping. Then I found out that was just not going to work. Fixed that right away, I can tell you. ;)