Black Desert Online is blocking macro software in its Korean version, leading to player anxiety

    
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No mouse for you.

All right. We can all agree that trying to cut down on hacking in Black Desert Online is a good thing, yes? So we can all agree that the Korean version’s push to prevent players from using outside macros that the designers suspect are responsible for recent hacks is a good thing. You may even agree that the decision to ban all outside macro software is also a good thing… until you note that several gaming mouse and keyboard configuration utilities also qualify under that header.

In other words, yes, you could find yourself unable to use your multi-button mouse or gaming keyboard because the software for configuring both allows you to use macros, even if you aren’t actually using any macros. Player reaction on the forums is already rather sharply alarmist, since this is an announcement that has only been made for the game’s Korean version so far, but it’s still understandable. Right idea in the broad strokes, but maybe not the right execution.

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kjempff

There are no cheaters in Barbie Doll Online … next discussion :D

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IronSalamander8 .

One more reason I’m glad I didn’t play this one long as it was such a dull if pretty game. I have a gaming keyboard that has programmable macros, yet I never use them but wouldn’t want to be flagged for using the basic software that came with it to be banned from a game!

I do fully support banning cheaters but this is a bit too far.

Ernost
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Ernost

As someone too poor to afford one of those fancy gaming mice, this fills me with schadenfreude induced glee.

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Carlo Lacsina

No lie, i just uninstalled all my logitech mouse programs and anything else I might think might tag me just to be safe

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Adam Russell

A well designed game should require you to actively choose which ability to use next. If macros work well that implies that the same sequence is always best – which means your game design is bad.

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3dom

People pay to watch movies for a reason – because it’s fun. Pushing buttons – isn’t, after a while at least. And a well-designed game should be fun in the first place. Everything else is optional to the point where I’ve purchased and enjoyed Mortal Kombat 11 solely because it has *completely automated* gameplay – and I don’t even like fighting games.

In fact I’d pay extra for PvE BDO automation – it would be extremely enjoyable to watch Dark Knight hacking through Nagas rather than me watching cooldowns and mashing buttons instead. I’ve never wanted to become a piano player after all.

But BDO is never trying to be fun, just to sell more artisan memories and costumes (to get silver) to whales through the $$$ shop.

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Jim Bergevin Jr

Automation should never be the focus of an active form of entertainment. If people find the very act of playing a game boring, then perhaps that’s not the form of entertainment that they should be participating in. What the hell is next? A machine that rolls dice and moves your piece for you in a board game?

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kjempff

The sole point of gaming is that is active. There are entire communities of folks who don’t care for passive entertainment, and instead choose to play games as entertainment – these people often go by the term GAMERS.

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Fervor Bliss

Good block them all, play the game or don’t play at all.

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Vorender

The ability to use any macros or mods in an MMORPG should never happen. Push all the damn buttons yourself, you big lazy pants!

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Chosenxeno .

Does this game not have a ingame Macro System in 2019? It’s a MMORPG.

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Arktouros

You seem to not understand what an actual macro system entails.

The “Macros” in a game like WOW for example are often times just simple reskins to do basic chat commands or to give different icons to abilities.

The macros and automation being discussed is far more robust and does things such as allow you to record keystrokes to perform a desired series of actions. For example you could write a mouse macro when you hit a button it will simulate pressing F5, F6, F7, F8, F9 with short delays in between each which can be setup to correspond to buffs so you press 1 button and it cycles through all your buffs.

This kind of macro is often times considered “illegal” in games as most game rules state that one button press must equal one action. However most games realize that enforcing this kind of rule is pointless given the hardware macros that exist and are basically undetectable. For example ArenaNet who runs GuildWars 2 is well aware people use things like clickers to open up huge stacks of salvage materials but doesn’t exactly go after people to ban them. However Pearl Abyss is stupid enough to think that going after the keyboard/mouse software it will accomplish something so we end up with this stupidity.

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Arktouros

This is the kinda garbage we have to put up with to play Black Desert.

They’re entirely and wholly incompetent when it comes to managing or enforcing things like no hacking, cheating or otherwise. Speed hackers still run rampant in high end grinding spots on a daily basis and have done so for actual years. It was exceptionally bad during the half year of the game last year when they did nothing about sea monster hunting and people selling guild payouts as hackers would just speed hack out billions for guild payments on boats. There’s basically zero in game detection of anything so even if a player is earning 5x as much as you could possibly earn from a spot the game doesn’t report that.

This is compounded by the fact that neither company wants to or seems willing to hire any staff to fill in the gaps. The support staff is razor thin to min-max profit margins. This is why they tried to rely on automated detection to report cheaters and ban them during the Shadow Arena days but their detection software is garbage and easily bypassed by the real hackers so all they ended up with is a ton of false positives.

None of this will even really address the problem, either. Many programmable devices (mouses, keyboards, game pads, etc) have onboard memory that will keep macros, rebinds, and other similar such changes on the device. So even if you shutdown the Logictech software that lets you put a macro on your mouse, it’s still stored locally on that mouse itself. My old Nostromo N52 had this functionality a decade ago. Even then the vast majority of hacks and bypasses people do in this game have nothing to do with mouse/keyboard macros and everything to do with the fact the game is so clientside that we have control of basically everything. I mean we used to be able to change our system clocks to reset worker tasks…

Whole thing is shitty but if you’re still playing Black Desert it’s 100% expected. They know the MMO market is dead and they can pretty much get away with murder at this point cause where we going to go? WOW/GW2/ESO/FFIVXMDCMVIVI? lol…

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Chosenxeno .

All those games have in-game macro systems. I’d rather be in those 4 than a the pretty hollow shell that is BDO.

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Arktouros

There’s no in game macro system for ESO or GW2.

Also the 4 games are the most boring basic games imaginable. If my options were play no game what so ever or play those 4 I’d rather actually play nothing.

Covynant001
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Covynant001

But you do have more options than those four to play, yes?

Godnaz
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Godnaz

Wait and see what software is affected. If it disables RPG mice, I’m grabbing a bag of popcorn and taking cover from the sidelines.

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Arktouros

Depends on the hardware/software setup. I’ve heard the Corsair series of devices requires the software to be installed/running to function. I use a Logitech G502 and everything I programmed into it a few OS installs ago is still there.

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Ashfyn Ninegold

Yea, you do have a program running with Corsair keyboards. Programming a Corsair keyboard (mine has 18 programmable keys) can get fairly complex. You can program it for every game you play and have more than one set up per game. So pressing one key can run through your whole rotation or attack sequence.