New Frontier updates former Wild West Online players on its relationship to Free Reign Entertainment

    
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Why. Does. Your. Breath. Smell. Like. Birdseed?

Ah, those delirious moments when every new set of answers about the state of a game’s publisher just leads to a new set of baffled questions. Case in point, New Frontier, formerly Wild West Online, now apparently under new management. A new post on the official WWO Facebook page reiterates that Free Reign Entertainment really didn’t have anything to do with the development of WWO, but after that game failed, now Free Reign is in charge of New Frontier and that’s why the game changed names.

All right, then.

The development is now promised to be “continuous” with the new title, with former WWO players being compensated for the time and money spent in the prior game with a bonus currency allotment for players who return to the game between July and August. It’s been a weird, weird road so far with this title, and it looks like it’s going to keep being weird for a while longer.

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Neurotic

Was this the cowboy game that had no women in the character creator? And there was some kind of thing about that?

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cursedseishi

It was, yeah. If I had to guess, and something the original developers I believe never explicitly admitted to or stated, was that there simply weren’t usable assets for a female character–at least to create and customize one. Tracking the engine back, none of its games ever offered female playable characters aside from specific instances as a ‘class’ for one game, so it’s a safe bet to assume that was what led to it.

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Neurotic

Ah ha, yes, I thought this was it. Fascinating insight there, thanks for sharing that!

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Bruno Brito

Wild west is a great expression to define gaming regulation.

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McGuffn

Grand Theft Auto Online is in the running too.

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Mewmew

GTA Online has been mostly taken over by real criminals / law breakers (TOS breakers and cheaters anyway). There’s a bit of irony in there somewhere.

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Ashfyn Ninegold

Just no. There are plenty of games out there. This is like going down Hollywood Boulevard in the 1970s, when there were 10 first run theatres in ten blocks and deciding to go to the crappy theater with plastic seats and somehow not realizing that the posters out front with the large breasted women meant it was a sleazy porno theater.

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deekay_000

the game has some interesting ideas and doesn’t do the worst job of executing alot of them.

unfortunately the new f2p model or w/e the fuck is going on in there is pretty lol (it refences fortnite’s model of daily/weekly cycled limited time sales and lockboxes pretty heavily, except mostly cosmetic unlike STW i am referencing here, at least afaict)>

it’s janky af but probably about par for the course for may mmoish games of recent years, probably not even close to the bottom of the barrel in those aspects in it’s genre and beyond.

ultimately dissapointing they didn’t/couldn’t pull through on delivering all the neat little bits of the original sales pitch or for that matter the set of stuff in the 2nd version. and probably won’t for this version either. but what was there was cool in terms of design and probably better executed than games that punch heavier on polish and brand reputation.

it’s kind of like someone had these cool design ideas and took a really cheap engine or w/e to execute them, but didn’t have the chops or thoughts or mindfulness to work on various other aspects of things that people typically tend to expect teh latter things before teh former things.

wether it’s the same guy or not, i don’t care. but gamers rise up and all that. how dare that guy make earnest if shitty games! just goes to show we live in a society!

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McGuffn

It’s the opposite of earnest.

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i mean i guess if you believe the reddit youtuber tale of the dastardly nefarious devs that have apparently taken great effort and expense to fleece the meagre audience they’ve ever had of their gaming rupies.

but actually having played wild west online’s first two iterations and taken a brief look at this version (which i won’t be spending more gaming time on likely), there’s alot of very good design and innovation involved that doesn’t exist elsewhere in the genre.

in terms of Earnest desire to create and innovate i quiet seriously and sincerely rate it higher than most publisher mmorpg’s i’ve played after lineage 2.

it’s just too bad the guy behind it doesn’t have the skills/resources/w/e to pull it off fully.

beyond that, i’m sure harrassing people for creating products you don’t like is a sure way to show that guy for making products you don’t like. idk what people think this story’s ongoing ups and downs says about the developers involved so much as it what it says about the people who act like this is some kind of scam.

scams usually don’t involve clear signs of sincere effort if said effort being hampered by limited resources. as not particularly even decent as this game really is, it’s clearly the result of a great deal of sincere effort on the behalf of the guy who made it.

i mean it could be worse, and if it was worse and attached to a favourable name yall would lap it up and defend it or stay mysteriously silent. so that’s all there is to say about that.

and as again, the harassment of the warz guy involved here says more about the people doing the harassing than the warz guy’s less than amazing but probably recognizent of harassment victim’s typical responses while harassment continues. which wasn’t and still isn’t by any means limited to healthy consumer revolt, but the sort of sick toxic morass that is everything that is painted about Gamers being terrible people.

tho i suspect the people involved in the harassment don’t spend much time gaming at all really.

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McGuffn

It is very earnest to pretend that the person you took great pains to say was not behind the game somehow magically gains control of the game. There are plenty of other devs with less than stellar reputations they could have sold or pawned it off on that wouldn’t have confirmed the obvious.

Likewise when Daybreak said they were owned by Columbus Nova they were just being overzealous in their earnestness.

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silverlock

Except most others wouldn’t want anything to do with his engine. It does make sense that the one person most likely to buy it off them is the one who owns the engine it’s based on.

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McGuffn

I can’t imagine why. Titov puts a lot of sincere effort into his products. People should be beating down the doors to get them.

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cursedseishi

I’m sorry to disappoint you, but when people are usually talking about Wild West Online and the biggest issue behind it? Nobody is referring solely to Wild West Online or the developers of it specifically. They’re referring to Sergey Titov and his multiple companies, who has EARNED the distrust shown his way.

He isn’t some poor indie dev fresh out of college with little experience either. He’s been in the industry so to speak for ~20 years, worked for major companies as well as his own… And has nothing to show for it except for a bunch of excuses and poorly handled titles he starts on, then abandons–even by his own admission aka The WarZ/Infestation Stories/Whatever-it-is-now. He also has several companies to his name and obfuscates his association with most of them in some way or another, much like how people tend to handle Shell Companies do. And much like how we’ve seen this being done here.

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im sorry to dissapoint you but all the guy originally did to earn this rep of distrust was make a shitty game and has since been the subject of constant enduring harrassment.

whatever sins he’s committed in the process of that enduring harrasment campaign doesnt really at all justify the harrassment.

the guy made a shitty game several years ago that had limited sales. it really doesnt justify this.

but ride around on yalls high horses and join in the gamer moment if yall like. feels good right?

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McGuffn

Okay, maybe you don’t know. He said his customers were the incompetent ones because they read the feature list on the store page and, like idiots, assumed it was accurate. That’s not being earnest. Stealing images from The Walking Dead and using it to sell your game is not sincere effort.

Titov is not the victim however much you make him out to be. He has however moved into “If you fool me two or more times shame on me” territory. At this point he’s earned his reputation and if you know who he is and believe what he says you deserve what pain you get.

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deekay_000

i’m aware of the full sequence of events that started this harassment campaign.

but keep on gaming, Gamer!

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McGuffn

So you’re just trying to rehabilitate his image and sucker people into buying his stuff? Sorry for giving you the benefit of the doubt I guess.

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deekay_000

not at all. i have no interest in playing this game further and further games in this engine have little to no appeal to me whatsoever.

my original post was entirely about finding the design innovative and fresh, if lacking in the skills to realize the vision.

you seem pretty upset by the guy’s continued existence though.

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McGuffn

I did find your original post mostly informative. Had no idea this was the second time WWO was being recycled. Imagining a harrassment campaign while good ole Sergey Titov has his nose to the grindstone and is just keeping on keeping on is a bit much though.

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deekay_000

that’s alot of words in my mouth.

as i said and will reiterate – i found the design in WWO refreshing. whoever made it just clearly didn’t have the skills and or resources to fully realize the vision.

beyond that it’s like any other no name sterling target. the audience for the harassment campaign is far larger than any potential those games ever had to begin with in the first place.

also please look up the definition of earnest.

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McGuffn

Imagining I’m “upset by the guy’s continued existence” is putting words in my mouth, to say the least.

I know the definition of the word earnest. Deflecting blame away from yourself by claiming customers “misread” the plain language of your store page is not earnest. And so on.

Look up the definition of harassment. Warning people away while those such as yourself are excusing or minimizing the developer’s misbehavior is not harassment.

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deekay_000

titov is ESL as hell and it’s always been transparently so.

beyond that, your posts continue to speak for themselves.

if you don’t want to be percieved as condoning harassment against the guy then well… don’t join into the harassment.

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McGuffn

Who is harassing him? His customers wanting refunds is not harassment. Talking about him is not harassment. Like I said his reputation is deserved.

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Dane Ford

“All the guy did to earn this rep of distrust is make a shitty game, lie about features, accuse the people who bought it of being unable to read, make two more shitty spinoffs of basically the same game to get away from negative backlash, while trying to obfuscate his involvement.”

Fixed it for you.

You remember Sean Murray? You hear a bunch of people complaining about him nowadays? No, because he shut his face, didn’t insult his customers, and fixed his game.

He didn’t go on to make 4 other piles of garbage (Infestation, Romero, and Shattered skies are the same game basically btw) many with the same bugs. Trying to cash in quick before people, who by now are rightfully skeptical, found out he was involved.

You’re right though, we’re just a bunch of meanies on the internet.

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deekay_000

definitely justifies the harassment for sure.

you’re right.

keep on keep on.

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Dane Ford

I don’t know about harassment, I’m not on the guys lawn throwing stones at his house, but if he makes a game everyone should be aware of what he’s done in the past. Unless or until he can prove otherwise. Just like every other profession on the planet.

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deekay_000

naw no stones at his house. just the usual impotent death threat spam. for x years running.

ahh well yall do you. keep on Gamers keep on.

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cursedseishi

I’m sorry, was I condoning harassment? No. Do not paint with a broad brush, and do not put words in my mouth mate.

What I said, and will say again with emphasis so nothing can be missed is…
Sergey Titov earned his distrust because, as even he himself has admitted, has acted poorly.

I’m not confining this to The WarZ though, as it has been true of every title he has produced both after it as well as before. He created an engine, owned a studio and yet had the studio paying him for using it. And when the studio started going under, he dumped them to move on to the next. Just because you want to play ignorant to fact, doesn’t mean everyone else is going to humor you on it.

Just like if you don’t want to spend 5 seconds looking something up, doesn’t make everyone who dislikes his involvement suddenly “LUL GAMER LOZERS” like you continue to blatantly state. But do please continue to deflect, continue troll, and continue to act dishonestly here.

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Hikari Kenzaki

To quote Tony Stark, “Excuse me, what were you lying?”