ArcheAge Unchained fans are getting antsy about proposed cosmetic gifting

    
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During Gamigo’s ArcheAge Unchained stream this afternoon, the chat erupted with cries of “pay-to-win confirmed” over the revelation that cosmetic gifting will be in the game.

The discussion starts around 34:30 minutes in. “Gifting is currently enabled on the Unchained marketplace,” Executive Producer Merv Lee Kwai confirmed on the stream, “and I’ve seen some concerns around that. Mostly people are concerned that it’ll become some sort of a default way to transfer paid items to other players. We understand the concerns about it. Of course any sort of agreements like that are made at your own risk. […] It’s unsupported by us. We don’t recommend that you do that. […] And if you really think about it, there are other ways to negotiate gifting that we don’t support. So this is one of those.”

On Reddit, multiple threads have sprung up to argue against the move. Some echo the argument that Khrolan was plainly trying to head off – namely, the idea that people will use gifting to conduct trades with real money. But other players point out that similar trades can be done without official gifting too. As is true of every game where everything isn’t bind-on-pickup, we suppose. And in some where it is!

Khrolan later halted another question to conduct a chat poll, asking players to press 1 or 2 to say whether they thought it was pay-to-win or not. It looked pretty split, but it’s safe to say the studio is listening.

Source: Twitch, Reddit. Thanks, Barnoc!
Update
Welp, that was fast. Apparently, Gamigo already walked this back.

Gifting disabled, now go cry about other stuff from archeage

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squid

C’mon, people. They’ve got to make money somehow.

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PanagiotisLial1

I do understand why some people were so grumpy over it but the anti-RMT effort on all games has only made the games less fun. From getting nothing on grinding mobs on good loot on Lineage 2 to the no trade policy (only auction) in many games resulting on not being able for example to help a newbie friend or trade and communicate people in direct ingame trade. I hope they find better ways of detecting in the future instead continue to taking away some of the fun in the games

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Bruno Brito

What they need is a better GM presence on these games, since they tilt balance so quickly with RMT.

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PanagiotisLial1

I dont disagree they got to fight it somehow, but seems everyone has taken a stance to punish all players together, even legit ones, by removing features like player to player trade, hunting for loot etc which by result makes the games less fun

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Barnoc N'Draak

As mentioned above, people can always find ways to engage in RMT, this would have just made it a bit easier.

Its heartening to see that they are minding the optics on this. They seem to be really trying, which is more than can be said for a lot of other games.

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Paul Putrow

Did everyone miss the part where it’s all cosmetic? What “win” is anyone paying for?

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Toy Clown

There are people that will pay lots of gold for cosmetics. Just look at BDO. It’s a ripe market for people with money who will sit in trade chat going, “WTS costume of your choice, x gold!” Player who has the gold, but not real money pays for the “gifting”.

What this creates is 1.) High potential for scamming, which Gamingo would have to get involved in and 2) This is definitely pay-to-win. Player uses real money to “gift” cosmetics for gold, then turns around and uses the gold to get ahead in the game.

I’m glad they shut it down.

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Bruno Brito

Moving bought gold from hand to hand.

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Hikari Kenzaki

And here I am, over here applauding any game with gifting because… I like to give things to my friends. What a crazy world I must live in where people do nice things and don’t look for every chance to screw each other over for .00001% combat advantage.

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G0dl355

If we had government issued online gaming I.D like other countries all this RMT nonsense would mostly drop off.

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Arktouros

Now I’m certainly super skeptical of anything ArcheAge related to the point I’m not going to play Unchained. I’m waiting for that news 3 months in how they’re introducing the new “X” item that’s just a straight lift from their P2W cash shop.

However this all seems more like a case of people trying to really force that scenario even though it doesn’t really fit. Gifting items isn’t really going to have any serious impact on the game from a “win” perspective. The biggest impact it would have on the game is the huge amount of gold sellers who will be using stolen credit cards to sell gifts for a reduced price (which was so prevalent in BDO they shut down gifting entirely).

If anything this scenario shows the state of the MMO player base today, always looking for the other shoe to drop and even sometimes creating said shoe when it doesn’t.

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Bruno Brito

You do realize this creates a market that gives gold prices to cash shop items, and this gold can be used to advance gear-wise, right?

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Arktouros

You do realize that any game that allows direct trading people can give real life funds for items right? Like there’s whole forums, websites and black markets for just about every single MMO dedicated towards giving you in game items for RL money. This is literally as old as selling EverQuest items on EBay in the late 90s. Even in games without direct trade it happens, such as in BDO players will message each other offering to paypal money for players to list their items through the auction house.

Typically all of this has a pretty low impact on a competitive game history has shown. For example people extremely worried about costume sales and other items in BDO via the auction house (giving cash shop items in game currency value) but it had basically zero impact on the game as much as people cried about it. It wasn’t until they added real P2W later by allowing you to melt said costumes that it then became more problematic.

So as I said, people creating a problem because they want to see a problem.

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Drago

Well I didn’t really see a problem with it myself, maybe I missed something.

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Vitor Braz

They weren’t doing anything wrong, but the system would obviously be abused to death. Glad they retired the idea though, less problems in the long run.