Global Chat: Fallout Last

    
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Bethesda’s busy digging another grave for Fallout 76, this time by saddling the troubled online title with a problematic subscription service that is broken and faulty.

Of course, not everyone agrees with that sentiment; Belghast at Tales of the Aggronaut even thinks that this comes out to be a good deal for private server enthusiasts. “See if you have followed my blog for awhile this was what I desperately wanted at launch,” he said. “Now if you look at the price tag entirely based upon Private Worlds… it becomes honestly a bargain.”

Connor over at MMO Fallout is far more scathing and puts part of the blame on the playerbase, saying, “The players outraged over the quality of this launch have nothing to complain about. Bethesda threw your asses overboard before this game even launched, and for some reason you keep paying for another ticket to get back on the boat. You keep going back to Big Louie’s House of Turds and then complaining when the poopoo platter you ordered is covered in crap.”

Clarity!

Coffee Cakes and Crits: The joys of fishing in Classic WoW

“I know that playing the game by killing mobs and questing is supposed to be the fun part. And it is, I prefer to do it with full up-to-date gear and enchanted weapons. Play on!”

Mailvatar: What’s so special about ArcheAge anyway?

“If my math doesn’t fail me that’s a total of 220 available classes. Are all of those, like, good? No, of course not. But the amount of classes that are considered to be totally viable for almost any kind of content is still staggering.”

Leo’s Life: The perils of games as service

“For fully persistent games, like an MMORPG, it is near impossible to launch a true sequel without cutting your user base. EQ2 and FF14 are the only ones where this could be considered a success, and for vastly different reasons.  There’s a LONG list of sequels that failed.”

Going Commando: Early Onslaught impressions

“To quickly sum up my first impressions of the story in a spoiler-free manner: It didn’t grab me quite as much as Jedi Under Siege did, but I freaking loved Ossus, so that was an incredibly high bar to clear. That said, if you asked me to rate Onslaught in comparison to all the previous story expansions so far, I’d say it’s the best one we’ve had to date.”

Contains Moderate Peril: The calm before the storm in LOTRO

“However, when returning to LOTRO from another game, it is very noticeable how the quest system is a product of its time, built upon the prevailing MMO systems and concepts of 2007.”

Precious Moments: Where do we go from WoW?

“I decided to see it as a way to check out other games I’d been ignoring or perhaps neglected since my renewed interest in WoW. After all, Blizzard isn’t the end-all be-all of gaming. Not even of the MMO genre. So I decided to dive into some hardcore research as to what game I should jump into next.”

Priest with a Cause: Classic Halloween

“It’s Hallow’s End in World of Warcraft, and I can’t help but notice how quaint the celebrations are in Classic. There are some seasonal decorations in places, such as the giant pumpkin at the entrance to the Undercity, but they are not as ubiquitous and over the top as in the live game.”

Every day there are tons of terrific, insightful, and unusual articles posted across the MMO gaming blogosphere — and every day, Justin reads as many as he can. Global Chat is a sampling of noteworthy essays, rants, and guides from the past few weeks of MMO discourse.

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Jack Tyme

I have played many games in the past, and I have to say I love Fallout 76. Can’t believe people talk sht about that game. I started playing recently and I’m hooked. What a great game!

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Bruno Brito

Can’t believe people talk sht about that game.

lol

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Bullwraith

Re: Fallout 76 & Belghast. You are correct that he starts out with that sentiment, but as more info becomes available on how the “private servers” actually work, he comes to a far different conclusion.

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krieglich

This. The statement “Of course, not everyone agrees with that sentiment” is just false, one has just to read more than the opening line. Here’s the last sentence from Belghast: “So yeah… it turns out my line of thinking was the one that was completely wrong. $100 a year for a private server is completely reasonable, but this is seemingly no private server.”

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Schlag Sweetleaf

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Hirku

There you are!

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Mewmew

I agree with Connor and I put it on the playerbase that stuck around as well. It’s time to stop being outraged and surprised at every little thing Bethesda does and just walk away from the game.

They never delivered on the promise of a quality game to begin with. They never gave us a game worth the box price. They continually throw the players overboard as they have from day 1, and instead of swimming to the nearby shores to freedom that are right there waiting for them, they keep climbing back on the leaky rat and rot infested boat with Bethesda’s broken promises and crooked Captain, expecting that they won’t get thrown overboard yet again. They keep acting outraged and surprised every time they are thrown over, and keep climbing right back onto that boat rather than just swimming to the nearby shore and leaving that barely floating wreck.

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Sorenthaz

Yeah, it’s like an abusive relationship or something for that crowd, though quitting a game isn’t going to be the end of the world. And there are decent alternatives to 76 as well.

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Danny Smith

I think for some people -not for everyone because lets be real actual idiots exist who never learn and brand loyalty parasocial relationship syndrome is a real thing- have actually been burnt. Not in a small way but in a ‘this franchise is dead to me even if i dont want it to be’ way based on expectations hitting a rock bottom.

Like if Bethesda announced Fallout 5 tomorrow sure theres always going to be somebody after it because of its name the same reason you can sell literally any old shit with a darth vader image on it “BECAUSE ITS STAR WARS!!!!11!!!” but is the same amount of people going to show interest who would have before 76? im not a gambling man but i’d put my money on no way in hell.

Because lets be real here. This fucking sucks. The Fallout universe is so cool. The blend of corny americana with the nukepunk wastelands? its great. I’d love to see some different locations like we saw in Point lookout in F03 but there isn’t anyone that *wants* Fallout to be shit. But thats on Bethesda and i think its fair to say they are a greedy company with no concept of quality control as long as they make a quick buck.

In a perfect world Obsidian or some other developer with the chops would buy the brand like Bethesda did from Interplay but i doubt its going to happen anytime soon.

Its kind of an impotent situation really when the best we can do is skip Fallout 5, save our money and maybe get a chuckle at the people who will go “wtf this is a buggy unfinished mess and i have to pay for mods? how could anyone have foreseen this?!?” but thats momentary schadenfruede. Doesn’t mean another beloved IP going in the trash pile labelled “used to be good” is something to cheer for.

But the trouble is this: I don’t honestly think Bethesda can remedy this. For all their greedy, kowtowing flaws i still think Blizzard can conceivably release a good product again. They might not want to because thats not something they can turn into a revenue farm full of minibuys but just because they wont doesnt mean they can’t.

Does anyone actually think Bethesda, without the Modders being the great Wizard Oz in this situation have the chops when they are the pathetic little man behind the curtain with no idea what he’s doing and people finally realise he has been winging it for years?

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Mewmew

All of the people who first bought the game were burnt, because we bought into a promise that wasn’t fulfilled. Those people who still stick around with the game and keep playing and paying into it and complaining the entire time are the ones Connor has issue with, and I really agree with what he is saying.

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Sorenthaz

Yeah, I don’t know where I saw it, might’ve been CohhCarnage after playing Outer Worlds, but basically he said that the best thing Bethesda could do right now is contract Obsidian to make Fallout 5 and basically let Obsidian have licensing rights. Bethesda could still profit off of it and Obsidian could make the game that would “save” the Fallout franchise.

Edit: Here’s the clip for reference: https://clips.twitch.tv/CrepuscularNastyNostrilTheTarFu

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Per Asplund

I don’t think Bethesda ever really understood the Fallout world and concepts.

For me and some others it was evidence of that already in Fallout 3 (portble mini-nukes as a weapon to happilty use….hello?), though it was still bareable to experience. But after that it has continued spiraling in the wrong direction and I can no longer see it as the same setting.
Their take on it is now so far removed from the core ideas it has become a game setting conveying almost the opposite ideas that the originals did.

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Sorenthaz

The Fallout First thing is what it is I guess. I can see reasons that folks would like it. I can see why folks would be against it. Either way, the sensationalism and outrage gets repetitive and tiring. It was poor of Bethesda to put it out after announcing that there would basically be a big content drought. But at the end of the day if they want to keep making content for Fallout 76 they need more than the box price, and cosmetics weren’t doing enough for them.

It’s kind of the unfortunate natural progression of games that depend on MTXes. RIFT and other F2P games have done this too where they gradually descend from “oh it’s all optional and you can earn stuff in-game with enough effort” to “actually, we really would like it if you paid us money…” And then sometimes it can go down to “pay us now or deal with a crippled experience as a second-class citizen in our game”. SWTOR would be a good example of the latter.

Guess time will tell if this is successful for keeping Fo76 going or not. Wastelanders now pretty much needs to be their saving update.

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Bruno Brito

You just made me realize that i’m really interested in playing through a Froob experience in Anarchy Online.

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Mewmew

“But at the end of the day if they want to keep making content for Fallout 76 they need more than the box price, and cosmetics weren’t doing enough for them.”

No offense but that is just as much manure as people continually being outraged or surprised at anything Bethesda does with this game and still playing. The box price covered a recycled engine and graphics and a huge empty wasteland. They never delivered the content for the box price to begin with, so first things first, they should make up for that lie, that scam, that turd in a box they sold people.

They need to release a quality game to begin with, not sell people an empty promise of a box while asking people for even more money so that they can eventually release actual content for the game. They need to deliver content that is worth playing and is worth that original box price.

And do you have any idea how much money they were making off cosmetics? You’re making out as if you do. Could you give me the link to the info?

What you are saying would have been like if Final Fantasy XIV just kept that horrible empty game they first released and continued to charge people for it saying they needed money to add content. They didn’t do that, because that would be ridiculous. They apologized whole-heartedly, admitted it wasn’t good or worth it, took it down and re-made it, and released an actual high-quality game in its place. In doing so it became a huge hit and worth the money.

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Sorenthaz

Fair enough, no offense taken. For the cosmetics not being enough, that’s kind of what the in-between the lines reading says from this bit:

Our approach to these items at launch was to keep them purely cosmetic. But after looking at all the data, it became clear that to consistently deliver content that keeps Fallout 76 fresh and exciting for all, we needed to rethink our approach to the Atomic Shop.

I know that’s obviously worded vague, but to me that seems like PR speak that cosmetics-only weren’t making them enough $$$ to keep working on content.

Do I agree they should have gone as hard as they are though with both a subscription and adding in stuff that dances the lines of P2W as it’s clearly paying for convenience/quality of life? Hell no. At best I’d maybe buy a month of it just for the cosmetics/atoms and then drop it, if I ever feel like actually hopping back into that game in the first place. It was also stupid dumb timing on their part and a real kick in the crotch after announcing Wastelanders would be delayed – their whole handling of the private servers is also a joke. I’m not supporting it, but I can see why others might if they’re enjoying the game/etc.

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Sasha Alex

People ingame are also targetting the people who bought it.

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Sorenthaz

That might be overblown though at this point. Last I checked the only reports of it were from Reddit, and Reddit sensationalizes most drama. Also is sometimes completely wrong – like when the “trading bug” threads were going around (where folks could take all your stuff if you accepted their trade offer), that was completely fake and no one could reproduce it.

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EmberStar

I don’t own the game, but my understanding is that PVP requires an awkward “handshake” before you’ll take damage. So even if roving gangs are targeting people with the subscription, all they can do is cluster around and punch away (or waste ammo and durability on their weapons, I guess.)

Granted that would be pretty annoying, and they could certainly stop someone from doing anything like normal gameplay. You probably couldn’t shoot random zombies without risking hitting one of the aggressors, which *might* be enough to flag you for PVP and actually allow them to kill you.

In any case, doing it says more about the gangs than it does about their targets.

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Nathan Aldana

Good.