Blizzard limits Warcraft III: Reforged’s custom game scene as players complain over missing features

    
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We don’t know how closely you’ve been following the launch of Warcraft III: Reforged, but it is not Happy Fun Times over in Blizzard’s community this week. The community has taken to Reddit and the forums to complain over what it sees as a bait-and-switch cash grab.

A good portion of these complaints arise from a deep reading into Reforged’s EULA. Unlike the original Warcraft III, Reforged is claiming copyright ownership of any mods that the community makes — a move, it is generally agreed, to prevent another DOTA situation. Even worse, any custom content made for the original RTS isn’t compatible with the remake and players can’t make their own campaigns. This seemed to go against Blizzard’s assurance to “give more power to the user” to make custom content.

It also doesn’t help that Blizzard cut out competitive play and clan support, not to mention front-loaded its cinematics makeover while not doing much for the rest of the game’s scenes:

We’ll have our own look at the game coming tomorrow, so stay tuned.

Source: GamesIndustry, PC Gamer, VG247. Cheers, cursedseishi.
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Matt Comstock

Blizzcon 2018 — still in development; Release 2020 — some things have changed. I am not surprised the completed game is different from a version that was still in development. Still… seems shady. Corporations being corporations.

How was a remake not a cash grab in and of itself anyhow?

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Hurbster

Well, it’s a shitshow.

Obviously.

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kjempff

What was the lesson from Dota again ?
That they could not claim ownership and make millions of someone else’ idea and work ?

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Sorenthaz

Even worse, any custom content made for the original RTS isn’t compatible with the remake and players can’t make their own campaigns.

This is weirdly worded but to clarify, custom campaigns aren’t doable right now for… whatever effing reason.

Custom campaigns were singleplayer-only vs custom maps which are all still playable to the point where some of the ones that use custom takes on old WC3 models stick out like sore thumbs now.

But yeah there’s definitely some problems… it seems like they dialed their initial aspirations back to play safe. I don’t know if it’s because they had an internal shuffle on the Reforged team or what, but I guess it explains why they were so freaking radio silent on details for a long time after the initial Blizzcon presentation.

That said I sunk almost all of my day yesterday playing custom maps and getting to relive some nostalgia + see how folks have been continuing on classic maps that I loved. Still though they are being scummy PoSes showing that Activision is in full control at this point, because they decided to fall back and rush a game out instead of keep doing what they advertised and claimed they would do. But I really don’t think that Warcraft 3 is dead, if anything this is a revitalization… that was shot in the leg by Blizzard to where we’ll see if it can stand up or not.

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Armsbend

Play safe or because making money on mods is their only motivation?

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Sorenthaz

Making money on potential mods is probably one of their hopes. Maybe. But I mean that they played safe by scaling back their initial goals with the campaign in particular. Seems like the budget either got gutted or there was some sort of shakeup that caused things to take longer than projected (originally in November 2018 they said it’d be releasing in 2019) and be delayed into early 2020. Maybe they underestimated how much work it would take to redo the in-game mission scenes or something.

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Arktouros

How would they make money on mods?

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Rodrigo Dias Costa

Simply putting players to make content for them as was always the case, but now with tighter control over creations.

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Arktouros

That doesn’t really make money for them. They can’t just export a particular map and then sell it. They would still have to create their own product and invest that it would be a popular idea. They can file a copyright for the IP for the game, but that won’t stop people from just making games with similar mechanics but designed differently. Even if they owned DOTA lets say, they can’t stop League of Legends for example.

The reality is that wording is there because they likely are hosting all the map downloads (which is why you can right click -> download maps on people) and it’s probably legally easier for them to say they own all the game content. That has other problems (IE: Could be sued for having infringing copyrighted material?) but that just leads to the other rules.

But there’s really nothing to monetize there on custom maps.

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Rodrigo Dias Costa

You’re just ignoring the huge amount of players that would buy this game only for the custom maps. That’s one of the big selling points of this game after all. This is already making money on mods. Retaining the rights of the most popular ones is just a plus.

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Arktouros

Man I got no love for any particular corporations who equally just see me as a walking bag of money.

That said I’ve easily already gotten my $40 worth of enjoyment so far in the last few days. It was pretty rocky at first with custom games not working and Campaigns occasionally crashing for me but it was fixed later Tuesday and I’ve been happy as can be since. All sorts of custom maps are super nostalgic and I certainly notice more than a few of them missing most of the maps I was looking forward to are all there and playable.

Hopefully the people who are unhappy get their issues sorted out and addressed.

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Sorenthaz

Yeah I spent pretty much all day yesterday playing some of my favorite old maps like Dark Deeds, FF Epic RPG, and Parasite. Only problem was the stability of folks loading in seemed to be questionable, and there were some sync issues as well in one game that managed to load in.

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rafael12104

Heh. J. Allen Brack might apologize for this in a few months. Just have to give it a little time. Because, you know, high standards and bringing the world together or some bullshit like that. Heh.

What a debacle. Well, at least Blizz is staring early this year.

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Josh

Fun fact, that Culling of Stratholme cinematic that was advertised in 2018? The one that is distinctly not anywhere to be seen in game?

It’s still up on Warcraft 3 Reforged’s site to advertise the game

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latorn

Once again: Frak Blizzard. Someone else can feed this company money, but they haven’t been and won’t be getting my wallet vote. I just hope people wake up and realize there are plenty of alternatives regardless of genre, from companies that don’t make objectively bad decisions.

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flatline4400

Many of you guys…. I don’t get it. Who *loves* a company? Who cares about a corporation? That would imply some kind of reciprocal relationship.

This is 100% to be expected from Blizzard. Anyone who expected differently, well… I got a bridge to sell you.

And, I hate to paraphrase a great comment from…

But this is def a tough e-sports moment, guys!

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Armsbend

I have loved companies in the past. Or rather what they have done for me and society. I love my favorite beer companies. I could not survive without them. I love Coca Cola. Same reason. I love Chic-Fil-A – they make parenting easier. Same with Disney (although that one has been floundering as of late). I love Jeep. I love Amazon and Uber for what they didnt for me personally in life. I love Apple/Nokia/Motorola so I don’t get stuck on the side of the road without a quarter.

I used to love quite a few game company. Like erotic love. Blizzard. SE. DICE. Infinity Ward. A decade ago all I could think of was adoration. I was jealous of coders sweating out lines in their corporate offices.

major tl;dr – adoration might be a better word. It does exist.

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McGuffn

Triangle Waist was a great company. They don’t make them like that anymore.

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Dantos

Not to mention the original client gets upgraded (downgraded?) to the new version’s infrastructure. All you’re really buying is access to the new visuals. The multiplayer for the original is gone. and so is the singleplayer unless you still have the original installers.