Hardcore sandbox MMO Trials of Ascension is back under a new team – with yet another Kickstarter

    
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You folks remember Trials of Ascension, right? The hardcore permadeath sandbox MMO with all the messy Kickstarters and drama? The one whose last Kickstarter was canceled after a team member accused the studio of being incompetent? The one that’s been sitting in Steam early access for almost two years as TOA: Exile? Good, you’re caught up – well, almost – because as we wrote last fall, the game has been bought out by a team of players trying to rescue and reboot the game. Many months later, they are still at it.

Trials of Ascension inevitably has a bad reputation behind it and we’re trying to fix that,” Dragonfire Entertainment’s Brandon Lalonde told us in a press statement today. “I can’t speak for previous teams, marketing strategies, use of funds, or any other decisions that were made under their management. What I can say is that currently it is under a whole new development process with a new team and fresh ideas and the intent of providing clear and transparent communication and practices to all in the gaming community.”

And if you can believe it, the new team brought the game back to Kickstarter for what is by our count its third go-round, this one seeking just under $10,000 US. The studio says the money will go toward operating the servers for a year, additional assets, fees, taxes, and an (extremely) small amount for paying staff. Apparently, this revamped version of the game will enter early access by the end of 2020.

Source: Kickstarter, press release, official site, Steam
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Robert Mann

I would say some things about this title, but the only nice thing I can say is “Well, at least they are trying to be positive or some such.”

Sorry, but the entire design of this is everything that is the worst aspects of MMO PvP. Add in all the other issues. Yeah…

*Waiting on sandboxes where the rules of entry don’t seem to be “Use shovels to push sand into the other person”.*

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Adam Russell

In a permadeath mmo how do you avoid healers letting people die because they get a hair up their xxx?

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Robert Mann

It’s a self-healing PvP thing with a high power curve and every reason except personality to go crush everyone who is lesser and not part of your in-group.

In short, there’s no such thing as set healers… and the entire game is set up to be a ganker paradise if they can get players.

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Adam Russell

Ahh my bad. I misread mmo to be rpg.

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Natalyia

So, they read the same marketing plan that brought us Bless, Bless Moves West, Bless Unchained, and Bless This Time We’re Mobile?

I know “no publicity is bad publicity” is an old saying – but I don’t think it’s always true…

Don’t name your new game the same (or any variation) of the last game that died a horrible, deserved death. If you’re trying to salvage something from the ruins, pick a thing from the lore and name the new one after that.

Mention that you’re trying to leverage the hard work that went into the art, music, environments etc. from the past, but don’t trumpet it as the title of your new game. Sheesh.

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memitim

If you call it something else then you are “trying to hide the fact this is *that* game!” Damned if you do and damned if you don’t…

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h4

it is hilarious how their kickstarter page claims the game will be “buy once play forever”, yet at the same time the $1300 tier includes “5 years of subscription”. can’t even keep their story straight.

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cursedseishi

UPDATE: We’ve changed our business model, but in the best way to help more folks enjoy Trials of Ascension! We will no longer be a subscription model. Instead we’ll be a BOPF (Buy Once Play Forever) model! For all of the details head over to the forums

Actually reading things helps.

The change is an update they decided upon after launching the kickstarter. And, unfortunately for creators, you can’t update Kickstarter tiers after launch. You can create additional tiers, but creating additional tiers for everything just to have that updated would make a mess of things.

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h4

So, third kickstarter for the game, and its basically seat of the pants planning in changing business model so quickly? Not a whole lot of confidence there. And I did read that bit you copypasted. It does not state that the tier information is outdated. Instead, that relies on the extra kickstarter meta knowledge you provided. Without that knowledge, the page appears self contradictory.

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cursedseishi

Clearly you didn’t, and clearly you don’t know how to.

That bit is top and center on the kickstarter page. Furthermore, there is an update specifically talking about it and the blurb itself states that they cannot update the tiers if you bothered to actually click on the link for further details on their kickstarter’s main page.

Likewise, third Kickstarter for the game–but its a first for the current team–which is pretty much a fangroup trying to pick it back up..

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h4

I’m not invested into this project, why would I click on links beyond the first page for more details? Are you perhaps part of this fangroup trying to pick it up? Seems foolish to expect passersby to click beyond the frontpage if it is already giving a bad first impression. Finally, I’m sorry to say, but arguing these things in the tone you have chosen isn’t going to make the project any more appealing.

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Pepperzine

Is this the hill you wanna die on? I’m not invested in the project, but also try not to comment on details when I haven’t read them. It happens though. When it’s clear that’s the case you should gracefully accept it and retract instead of doubling down. My two cents.

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h4

The interesting part though, is I did read. I simply did not click further beyond the first page. Why should I seek additional information if the first page was already disappointing? Instead, I am attacked as someone who “didn’t read” despite clearly having done so, how else would I have noticed the discrepancy?

Realize this. On the internet, _most_ people will comment without even reading the article. Even fewer will click on the page linked to the article. It is a tiny minority that will investigate the linked page in detail before commenting. To attack someone for not reading details buried in links… well I’m not sure what was expected, maybe it would have been better if I never looked at the page at all?

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Greaterdivinity

I don’t want to let the games history bleed over to this new team, which seem like they’re making a good-faith effort to get this game launched.

But seeing that they’re asking for so little money and don’t bring a lot of experience, I’m not more confident in the game today than I was a month ago or even 5 years ago. The game needs a lot more than $10k, which isn’t really enough to do much with realistically. I get that they have to start somewhere and they’re working with a huge trust-deficit (by their own choice due to buying the IP), but I’m not seeing any reason to throw money behind it today.

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Relmharver

Yep, gonna get a lot done with $10K. Anyone who falls for crowdfunding shit like this at this point really deserves what they get.

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Armsbend

Just delete this wet pile of shit.

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Life_Isnt_Just_Dank_Memes

911: “What’s your emergency?”
Me: “I think the first paragraph of this article I just read, committed a murder hobo.”

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Ironwu

I think they should have just bought the assets, then abandoned the name and all the associated baggage and bad press. Started fresh and with a clean slate.