Camelot Unchained addresses staffing changes and the latest state of the game

    
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Camelot Unchained addresses staffing changes and the latest state of the game

This week, we learned that Camelot Unchained studio City State Entertainment has seen a minor staffing shuffle, as four of the studio’s engineers moved on this past spring, something that without context could potentially worry fans given the controversy earlier this year and staffing difficulties in the past. We reached out to CSE’s Mark Jacobs for details, as he had already publicly addressed hiring in our comments this week, and now he’s given us another update that ought to allay any fears about the state of the studio since the comings and goings are effectively zero-sum.

“As usual in any industry, people come and go and CSE, like Mythic Entertainment and just about every other developer in the industry, rarely talks about it for legal reasons unless it’s a layoff,” Jacobs told us. “Just as in the past, when we have lost folks, we also have brought in new folks. Four new people joined us in the past couple of weeks and hopefully, we’ll have another person joining us in the coming weeks, so it’s safe to say that in our case, it isn’t a layoff.”

In fact, Linkedin entries make it clear that two of the departing devs simply left the gaming industry altogether. We’ve also previously covered the addition of several new developers to the Camelot Unchained team, some of whom have already been introduced on the forums to backers, including Chris Junior, a key MMORPG game designer with both RIFT and EverQuest II on his resume. Here’s what Jacobs told us this weekend about what Junior’s presence on the team means for the game:

“We are excited to have Chris Junior join our team. As a Senior Game Designer for us, he’ll be working with us to deliver a great RvR MMORPG. As someone who has focused on PvP throughout his career, as well as his work as a Game Director for Trion, he brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to our team. Camelot Unchained Backers will see the first results from his hiring in the upcoming weeks as the Giants race trio make their appearance in our game. He has been focusing on adding his own stamp on their Banes and Boons and I’m looking forward to seeing that and more from him as we move through the summer.”

Meanwhile, the studio’s most recent newsletter showcases terrain and environment art, map concepting, armor and weaponry, wyverns, design documenting, and CUBE creativity, plus there’s the usual state of the build roundup. Earlier this week, we also covered CSE’s latest 90-day plan and weekend testing goals. We’ve included the screenshots from the newsletter, some of which are in-progress sketches, while others are from CUBE testers, so you can see how the visuals are coming along.

Source: Newsletter. h/t Chris.

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Mr Ish

Well I’m still looking forward to it when/if it does release. People do love bashing others from behind their keyboards though :/.

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Armsman

Yeah seems Marc Jacob enjoys getting on his keyboard and claiming anyone who doesn’t buy his version of events or see things his way is a troll and not welcome on his boards even if they paid money to back the game.

Also if you’re going to offer refunds publicly, you should follow through and grant those refunds in a reasonable time once people have proven that they did in fact pay to back the game.

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dinarian_

Armsman, there is so much truth in what you said.

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Bannex

*Michael Jackson popcorn gif*

Too lazy to find and post real gif. MOP will delete this comment anyways.

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Bruno Brito

lol

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Dug From The Earth

It does seem that after all this time, something more resembling an actual game should be visible.

Every time I take a look at it however, its just some large open outdoor space, maybe with a couple keeps or buildings, maybe there are a bunch of bots running around if its during a performance test.

Everything looks and feels like a placeholder. If its not, then thats a problem as well. If they are all placeholders, after all this time I personally feel like I should be able to see real things. Things that make it feel like this is actually a game in the works, and not some janky tech demo.

No, I wont refund my pledge. Im fine with giving my thoughts and critique of things while remaining a backer because I feel that it holds more weight than people who threaten to pull funds. I believe devs would rather help those who are upset because they are truly interested, than help those who are making threats.

I do feel however that its time for the game to shift gears into becoming something that resembles an actual game.

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xpsync

I’m not following this or anything else, “been there, done that” for over decade, enough was enough, picked a couple mmorpg;s and am a happy proud mmorpg player once again.

This preying on people’s dreams for their $$ was our last hope.

Anyway, i thought exact same. WTF is that anyway??? It’s like a poorly textured character running around like a chicken with its head cut off firing at what looks like a hoard of bots, over, and over, and over again. It’s like a chronicles of elyria demo.

So yeah i never said anything as how can i comment on something i’ve no idea about as i’m not following, thanks for the confirm.

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xpsync

Whenever anything negative is ever mentioned, as in say a refund not being honored, there are always going to be the white knight rolling in to counter the truth.

It’s fanboi, yes, but not only that, as in the classic example here whenever anything is said about star citizen, there’s that same person comes rolling in as if they are defending their country, ready to die on the hill over it.

Any regular here will know whom i’m talking about, all i know it’s the same poster don’t remember their name, don’t care really, it’s just another in the roll of that slot.

So yeah, fanboy, but goes beyond that, the deeper reality is that some people can’t deal with reality, and even people whom can, when you’re faced with the fact you’ve been ripped off, you’re in denial then shock.

It’s what most of them are in, denial, the shock isn’t a confirmed reality yet, so they are stuck in denial. It’s easy to figure out, the higher the level of their fanboi, the more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ they lost.

Judging by some of the ardent fanboi’s to the rescue … yeah ouch, very ouch, sorry for your $$$ loss, hopefully within the next 5 to 10 years they can come to the truth themselves.

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draugris

So,

as a long time backer of this game (since the Kickstarter actually) I have seen the up´s and the down´s and remained positive at the end, I even extended my pledge. As somebody who is working in IT of a big software development company (not games) I have a lot of understanding of the difficulties CU has in the process.

With that said, the latest developments, I am not sure how to phrase that correctly maybe, English is not my first language, raised my Alarm bells though.

First of all this whole hiring debate. Absolutely unnecessary if MJ just did not exaggerate it and told anybody that these were just replacements for 4 people that left the company. If he would have been completely honest he would have even told people that it is a net loss of 1 staff regarding CU, because 1 of the 4 new employees is working exclusively for Ragnarok. Why he left the path of transparency here, I don´t understand it. People leaving the company and replacing them is a common process, not a big deal usually.

The more concerning thing though is that he extended the TOS on the internal forums that are pure and utter censorship. You are not longer allowed to talk in any shape or form about the delay the game obviously has. Threads are already closed by moderation all over the place

Comments about refunds are only allowed in one specific topic, which is not necessarily a bad thing. Refunds were always a bit of a hot topic because MJ always stated that refunds are possible, but people who actually wanted to refund had to wait a really long time. And since the virus hit they had to wait even longer. The reason he gives and this is I am sorry to say it, completely ridiculous. He has to be physically in the office to process the refunds and he is scared of getting infected in an Office that nobody worked in for months. He could wear a mask, he could use disinfection of the desks, keyboards, etc. and he wouldn´t even be there for a long time. I returned to working in my office for 2 months now, we wear masks in places with people, we disinfect our offices regularly, etc. etc. So no, please don´t tell me that this is the reason why you can not go unless you live in your basement 24/7 with a mask. So excuses all over the place.

The reason why these changes to ToS were made is that the news of the new hirings “along with the other news, was not received with the smiles I expected” So now we Backers are supposed to make Mr. Jacobs smile are we, OK, I thought it is the other way around.

The only rule that makes sense in the whole post is the one that he will no longer tolerate personal attacks on him or on his staff, this is something he should have done a long time ago.

Of course, you are not allowed to discuss these new rules on the forums also.

At that point, it is the first time I am concerned about the development of CU I have to say, even the announcement of Ragnarok did not hit me that hard. Censorship, in general, is the beginning of the end. I won´t refund though since I have the hope that MJ will leave this path and return to the reasonable and transparent person he was.

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Covynant001

While I’ve always understood company forums are not places for open discussion, is never a good sign when they become Ivory Towers to shield their owners from unwanted criticism.

Mark wants to stop the debate over the late delivery? The answer has always been simple, publish a target release date.

Yet he won’t, because even after so many years, he has no confidence in his team’s ability to deliver anything on time, understandable considering the poor track record to date.

Even near term goals like standing up the 24×3 test servers have no published delivery timeline, which is just all sorts of silly on so many levels.

Mark shrugs people leaving as a normal occurance for other studios, perhaps, but most are much larger so staff changes have less impact than a smaller studio like this.

No matter how good these new folks are, it’ll be anywhere from 6 months to a year to get them fully up to the same level as the experienced folks who left.

Also, these are uncertain times, few people are leaving their current jobs unless the deal is much better elsewhere, so 4 heading out the door as 4 come in can’t really be viewed in anything but a negative light.

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Gevatter

The more concerning thing though is that he extended the TOS on the internal forums that are pure and utter censorship. You are not longer allowed to talk in any shape or form about the delay the game obviously has. Threads are already closed by moderation all over the place

The new ToS is a reaction to the new favorite ‘hobby’ of FUDsters & Refundies, which is to ‘encourage’ MJ to give up communication about his baby CU — knowing full well that this is an extreme affront to the person who not only conceived CU, but also started it with his own money. FUDsters & Refundies want to torture MJ more, because threats and anti-Semitic insults are no longer enough for them.

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dinarian_

He could ban threats and antisemitism (of which I have seen none, but I am not on their official forums so maybe that is where it is happening) and still allow people to ask CSE to honor refunds or talk about the elephant in the room which is that the game is incredibly late.

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Gevatter

Threats and anti-Semitism arise from a toxic environment — an environment that is also created by your actions, by the way — and the priority is to prevent toxicity from taking root … something that the new ToS handles.

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dinarian_

Asking for my refund to be honored is not toxic behavior. Also I can’t be creating a toxic environment on the forums since I haven’t been on the forums since I asked for my refund many months ago.

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Gevatter

You no longer ‘just’ ask for a refund — you’ve already crossed the line into staking. Here at massivelyop.com, you’re pretending to be innocent, but knowing your postings on Reddit, the CU-Discord, and the Backer forum it’s clear that you have an obsession.

And yes, you help to create a toxic environment. Your questions in bad faith, your insinuations, your targeting of MJ, etc. create an environment from which the threats and anti-Semitic insults condense.

And you know it. And you keep going.

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dinarian_

I go by Dinarian here, on the forums when I posted there, on reddit (dinarian_reddit), and on Discord and I am not ashamed of what I have said about refunds or the betrayal game. I am hiding nothing. People are free to look me up any of those places and see what I have said.

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Gevatter

It’s good that you don’t deny that you accept threats and anti-Semitism to achieve your goals. I’m glad you’re not hiding it. Let everyone see what kind of person you are.

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dinarian_

I have never threatened anyone nor have I ever said anything antisemetic, and people can go and see what I have said and see that you are making things up about me.

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Gevatter

You yourself never threatened anyone directly. Of course. You’re too cunning for that. You prefer the indirect, underhanded way: You help to create a toxic enviroment, through which much more naive contemporaries feel empowered to send MJ hate messages or direct threats — all in the hope that MJ breaks and admits his mistakes and give you a refund … and maybe an admission of guilt.

You are not the heroine of this story. You’re the villain.

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dinarian_

All I have asked for is for my refund to be honored, the rest of this is in your imagination. I am not looking for an admission of guilt or anything else from MJ other than for my refund to be honored according to CSE’s refund policy. Today is day 122 of me waiting on it.

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draugris

I have never read any anti-semitic posts on the forum. And to make the impression that people who criticize CU about the delay are doing that to “torture” MJ is, I am sorry disgusting and a lie. I don´t know what you are trying to make up here but you are doing the situation a disservice. Are there toxic people among the backers, obviously, like in any community, but most of the people are interested in the game they freaking paid for in advance.

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Gevatter

I have never read any anti-semitic posts on the forum.

Ask MJ.

that people who criticize CU

That’s the whole point: They simply don’t criticize CU. They slander, spread misinformation & fear and threaten to drag MJ’s name through the mud until he complies with their demands.

Are there toxic people among the backers, obviously, like in any community

Then do not legitimize them and do not stand in front of them for their protection. Expose them. And stop feeding the toxicity.

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Rndomuser

There were absolutely no antisemitism posts on forums, nor attacks on MJ’s family. Not even on Reddit.

Also, you are replying to a person who keeps making new accounts all over places related to Camelot Unchained. He posted under “StrikeJk”, “Gevatter” and other names. He is like “Joe Blobers” of Star Citizen, if you are familiar with that overzealous fan and is useless to argue with, I suggest just ignoring it.

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Utakata

You know, as much as I like to support Mr. Mark and wish him best of luck in this…

…I gotta bad feeling crowdfunding this really isn’t the best way to fund this game. Too many chefs demanding a return. And when things start to go down the wrong way….

Having quiet patient private investors would be the best way to go. That gives the plenty of breathing room for the project to it come to fruition and the needed capital to make that realized. And preferably one without EA’s name attached to it…

…but I am speaking from an ideal world. I’m not sure the current world would ever be open to that. /sigh

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Covynant001

Just as an FYI, crowd funding helped get the ball rolling early on, but the majority of the funding for CU and that “other” game comes from either Mark’s own pockets or his investors.

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Utakata

Err…that’s good to know. I’m not sure that changes my point though.

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xpsync

“Too many chefs demanding a return.”

Nailed it i believe, it’s a great take on it as a whole, never thought about it this way, but 100% correct.

Instead of dealing with a publisher, investor, or whatever, where they have to heed their call, their deadlines, which ultimately produces a shipped product.

Crowd funding allows them the complete freedom to do whatever they want, when they want, and time ticks on, and on, and on…

Until many, many moons later, happy supporter patience runs completely out and now have to deal with the fallout. An internet packed full of angry people whom now know their money was most likely wasted, and that being the lesser of now knowing the likelihood of the game of their dreams is not going to happen, which is probably worse than the $$$ loss.

I’d love nothing more to have this launched, not sure it’s really a game for me but the mmorpg genre is in an extremely sorry state for the last decade, every year it’s more evident that mmorpg’s are done, over.

But there are sparks of hope out there, this being one of the big ones, it’s no fun for any mmorpg player to know this is what happens after almost decade of trustworthy mmorpg players money and support.

Sure i love to trash talk Star Citizen here and there becasue that is the pinnacle of it all, the prime example of too much freedom to do whatever they want, when they a want, which isn’t a heck of a lot over 300 Million later, forget that it’s almost been a decade, with 300 million pretty sure any company with proper leadership could shit something in well under 5 years.

I’d love for this game to launch, would love to play it, and would thank every supporter for believing in them, eat all the crow you want, eat as many hats as you want, but do we really think that day will come?

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Utakata

“Crowd funding allows them the complete freedom to do whatever they want, when they want, and time ticks on, and on, and on…

Until many, many moons later, happy supporter patience runs completely out and now have to deal with the fallout. An internet packed full of angry people whom now know their money was most likely wasted, and that being the lesser of now knowing the likelihood of the game of their dreams is not going to happen, which is probably worse than the $$$ loss.”

No my friend, I think you nailed it. >.<

…and a great reply! :)

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Jo Watt

A while back someone argued with me that this game was essentially not needing or wanting new backers and they claimed the game was doing “mind blowing” things.

I must agree, this as continued to be a pretty mind blowing experience for several years.

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Michael Glover

Hahah nailed it.

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Jeremy Barnes

Everything going on with this looks like bad news. I was super excited about this game, but I consider DAoC to be a happy accident. A bunch of things intended and unintended merged to make DAoC special and when they had the time/money to implement their vision for DAoC the game became much, much worse.

I ended up not backing the game because I believed that DAoC was more accident than intention (See Warhammer, ESO). I also believe you have a hard time replicating all of the conditions outside of your control. I’ve been playing with my guild that I found in DAoC since, but it’s not the same. People have kids, careers, etc now. There is no getting DAoC back.

However, I still had great hope (and respect) for Mark Jacobs and his ability to make a great game. However, as time has gone on (and on) it looks more and more like he won’t be able to deliver. Even worse, he seems to be walking back on his principles. It’s an easy thing to do when you’ve taken millions in private funding and millions in crowd funding and are having a tough time delivering, but it’s still a shame to see.

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Strykr619

Except ESO is wildly successful (moreso the DAOC ever was).

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Jeremy Barnes

I’m not sure how ESO’s success is relevant. There are certainly several elements to ESO that make it an attractive game, but it was not able to replicate the essence of DAoC. That logic would posit that WoW is currently the best MMO by a country mile currently on the market.

I don’t think you’d find anyone who experienced both games saying that ESO’s pvp is anywhere near as good as what DAoC had going for awhile. ESO is New Frontiers and New Frontiers was a horrible donwgrade to the DAoC’s frontiers which, it turned out, were a crucial element to the game’s fun factor (along with a few others like realm ranks, 8 man groups, etc).

That doesn’t even get into the way DAoC was able to encourage PvE players (Hello) to wade into PvP or the realm/community dynamics that don’t exist..at all..in ESO.

I’m not sure where you felt I insinuated that DAoC was the more successful game by player count or dollars. The point was that with the experience of DAoC, the elder scrolls franchise, the dollars of Bethesda and Zenimax, and the desire to do so (according to Matt Firor)…they still couldn’t replicate what DAoC did which ultimately means that even with Mark Jacobs, solid private and public funding, time, and desire that it was a long shot that he was ever going to be able to capture the essence of DAoC.

I don’t even think it’s possible to do in this day and age given the way players have evolved. It’s likely a bad idea for all of these old timers to keep trying to recreate the old days. Even if someone created the perfect update of DAoC, the players and outside conditions of society aren’t the same.

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Bruno Brito

Debatable.

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Relmharver

I am still following CU, but I was disappointed to see MJ crack down on the official forums last week with much stricter moderation. The people on there are certified backers, and probably the ones still most interested in the game. They shouldn’t be silenced.

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Rndomuser

“They shouldn’t be silenced.”

Do you hear the people sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the music of a backers
Who will not be silenced again

When the beating of your heart
Echoes the beating of the drums
There is a life about to start
When tomorrow comes

Will you join in our crusade?
Who will be strong and stand with me?
Beyond the barricade
Is there a good MMORPG you long to see?
Then join in the fight
That will give you the right to be free

P.S: Where’s Schlag when you need good memes? ;-) I got a perfect image for him to edit (sorry if the picture is too big):

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Utakata

Have you ever eaten a frozen peach though? o.O

Jabber
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Jabber

*grabs popcorn*