Camelot Unchained’s latest news dispatches cover Dragon’s Web, giants, and art

    
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Camelot Unchained’s latest news dispatches cover Dragon’s Web, giants, and art

Camelot Unchained’s City State Entertainment dropped three chunks of content from the developers last night, a bit unusually since it was a Wednesday and not a Friday.

The game’s weekly update discusses work on giants, warbands, the Overmind AI, behind-the-scenes tech, and the Dragon’s Web battleground zone integration. In fact, Dragon’s Web gets another mention down in the art bin; as we understand it, this system is essentially a RvR power source that’ll drive the war effort and bring balance to the sides.

Meanwhile, CU’s 70th newsletter covers male and female giants, boat concepting, Viking lore, a revamp for the Morrigan class, and a “highly-detailed revision of the Arthurian Keep.”

Finally, CSE’s Mark Jacobs streamed an update last night; the videos aren’t up on YouTube yet, but you can access them through twitch here and here.

Camelot Unchained, Kickstarted way back in 2013 and injected with piles of outside investment since, came under fire earlier this year when CSE announced that it was working on a second game using CU’s custom-built engine. Most recently, Jacobs streamed himself granting refunds to some of the game’s most outspoken detractors. The game entered what devs call the beta one phase back in 2018, with its chief highlight along the way being its mass-PvP tests that at one point put over 5000 humans and bots on the battlefield simultaneously.

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dinarian_

Just a quick update. Today is day 236 and still no refund for me or my husband. So when MJ streams this month and tells everyone things are great and refunds are coming along great and everything is just great, just keep that 236 days in mind when he says how great everything is.

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Jeremy Barnes

I didn’t back this game because I thought DAoC was a happy accident. Not easily repeated and even if you could, times are different these days. I still follow the game on that hope it does end up doing it.

90% of the news is about refunds and saw this and came here to comment about how nice it is to have news that isn’t about refunds and then we have the guy in charge…arguing about refunds again.

It feels like a lot of energy is being spent on refunds. Those of us ‘on the outside looking in’ are giving up because all we see is the guy in charge arguing about refunds.

You know what we do at my work, if you cancel and you’re within your refund period…we just give you the refund. Even if you didn’t ask for a refund because it lets us focus on stuff that is way more important like building a good product.

I’d seriously suggest CSE just gives the refunds to everyone eligible and be done with it. AT the very least, stop arguing on internet forums about it.

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Rndomuser

Iโ€™d seriously suggest CSE just gives the refunds to everyone eligible and be done with it.

I believe (this is just a personal opinion) that if they could afford to do that – they would’ve refunded most people long time ago, they could also set up a status page on official website so people could check the status of their refunds without bothering customer support or posting about refunds anywhere else (even simple page which would show something like “we are currently processing refunds for people who requested them in February, we have processed 2 refunds out of 347 requests for this month” would be nice to see). Only rational assumption I can make from whole process is that they intentionally slow the refund process (they do process refunds, but do it very, very slowly) because they cannot afford to process all refunds for all the people who requested them. And this was happening even before COVID from what I have personally seen. For same exact reason you will see Mark trying to come up with all kind of excuses for such delays, as well as the new rules they set up in Discord (no discussion of refunds allowed in any channel) and official forums (discussion of refunds only allowed in specific section), as well as utilizing their few remaining fans to suppress discussions about refunds (as of right now, the unofficial subreddit for CU does not have “sticky” thread with information about refunds and the old “sticky” thread for discussion about refunds was deleted).

That’s just my opinion, of course, but I don’t see any other rational explanation for such behavior.

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Tavadi

Looking forward to a game not being pressure released. Thanks Mark for sticking to your vision.

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Armsman

Be careful what you wish for…IE – Chris Roberts: “Hold my beer”… ;)

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Dean Greenhoe

This months update was alot of good news. I for one, am sticking in there till the bitter end. :)

I was disappointed years ago but now I am just enjoying watching the snapping turtle eating the whale. Life goes on.

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Bruno Brito

I’m going to say one thing, for all the respect i have for Mark:

When the lead developer of a project that saw nothing besides delay after delay, comes with five or six stones to protect themselves from demanding speeches from their clients because of a feature that they promised, then there’s something reeeeally wrong with your project.

Remember: Those features were promised. Even the dickwads who think this is acceptable because “HURR DURR QIQKSTARTUHR” don’t realize that these promises were made mainly to gather goodwill out of the playerbase.

200 days is a long time. A really long time. It’s double the average time offered for your policy. It’s 2/3s of an year. It is probably also one of the longest refund requests you have, and since i remember that the last CU thread in MOP was basically Mark on office, i can’t wrap my head around him not just refunding Dinarian and be done with her.

The following months will be trying to this game, i’ll tell you that.

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Relmharver

Yeah, unless he’s just dragging out her refund to punish her at this point, it really would be in the game’s best interests if he gave her money back ASAP. She’s slamming CU and him all over the place, constantly. Just give the money back and get rid of the bad publicity. Dinarian has nothing to lose, but CSE does.

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Bruno Brito

unless heโ€™s just dragging out her refund to punish her at this point

If this is the case, it makes everything worse. Developers are not supposed to be petty towards their customers, specially crowdfunded devs. Every criticism of CU as a project is warranted, and Mark tends to end up a bit too combatant for my taste.

About the Discord situation, i’m more neutral about. I don’t care for discord communities, and if they’re cesspits of human waste, i’m happy that they stick together away from civilization.

That being said: If the CU discord is moderated by CSE people, then this toxicity shouldn’t be allowed.

This is a project that is delayed on the years already, with a second game that came out of nowhere, and a refund policy that seems to be extremely selective. The word “mismanagement” comes to mind. But there was the COVID issue, so i’m giving MJ the benefit of doubt here.

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dinarian_

It is CU’s official discord. The moderators are volunteers not employees but it is not some private fan Discord it is CSE’s official CU discord run by CSE.

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Anstalt

Still the only MMORPG I’m looking forwards to!

Happy to wait as long as it takes, been over 7 years now since I last found an mmorpg worth playing for any length of time so what’s another year?

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dinarian_

Have you seen a release date announcement that I have missed? What makes you think it will only be another year?

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Anstalt

I’ve not seen a release date, just wishful thinking on my part. If its a year, or two, or three, its all the same to me.

Staying positive though, MJ has said in the past that the hardest part is getting the underlying framework (engine) sorted, but once that is in place then getting the rest of the content in should be much quicker. I think we’re at that point, so im hopeful the remaining dev work will go quicker / smoother.

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Bruno Brito

Uh…there’s no launch date, Anst.

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Covynant001

When you get to be my age, another year or three is burning daylight, might soon come a day I’m neither physically (almost there on this one) or mentally able to play such games.

Heck, might be standing at the “Pearly Gates” for all I know, so Mark needs to get this game done and out the door sooner rather than later, at least from my perspective.

Maybe like those Egyptian Kings I can have the gaming laptop buried with me for use in the next life.

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Ting

At least Mark is actively developing something new and fun, Rob has had the DAOC IP for how many years and hasn’t done fuc* all with it.

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Covynant001

Just curious, have you “played” it yet? How do you know it is fun and what all is interesting about the gameplay?

On paper it may appear to be both, but until the finished game is released I think the verdict is still out on the entertainment value it might provide.

Well, except for many of the replies in CU threads, they are sometimes priceless.

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joshisanonymous

I’ve played it. It’s very fun.

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Giggilybits

I’m glad I don’t kickstart things but when and if this gets close to a viable product I will definitely be putting my money down. IMO stop overpromising things and leave somethings for an expansion or a feature to be added after the game is up and running.

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dinarian_

Just to note only a lucky few people have gotten their refunds. My husband and I are still waiting for ours. Today is day 209 of waiting.

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Mark Jacobs

If you define few as dozens, you’re telling the truth about the number of refunds. If by few you meant the traditional definition of few, then you are not telling the truth. Just thought you’d want to know that.

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dinarian_

Of course you are the only person who has the exact numbers, all I know is that today is day 209 of waiting for my refund and it still has not been honored and I am far from the only person in this situation. Now if you would like to let us know how many refunds you have done in September and how many over due refunds that you have left that would be great. Even better would be an ETA on when you expect to be completely caught up on all over due refunds.

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Mark Jacobs

I responded to give you the correct information, that’s it for now.

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dinarian_

Except that few is a relative term and without the number of refunds you have done and the number of refunds still outstanding nothing has been corrected.

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Bruno Brito

So…she didn’t get her refund ( nor her husband ), but you thought this response was apropriate?

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Mark Jacobs

BB, I try not to engage with her at all because of what happens almost every single time I do. She knows that. I corrected part of her statement because she constantly says that she is only speaking the truth and always reminding me about honoring the company’s policies. I let her know that what she was saying about “few” was incorrect just so she wouldn’t be in a position of saying things that weren’t true.

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dinarian_

Speaking of the companies policies, the refund policy right now today on the website says that refunds take “up to 90 days.” Today is day 209 of waiting.

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Mark Jacobs

And you never fail to remind me and everybody else, any chance you get (4 times alone in this discussion you copy-pasted essentially the same thing), about that even when I’ve acknowledged the reasons, the times I go in, etc. So, no matter the effort or risks involved, you have said that I need to follow that company’s policy right?

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dinarian_

Mitigating risk was a completely reasonable excuse back in April, but it is October, you have had plenty of time to fix the process to keep from being exposed to unnecessary risk. But, it is weird that after you already admitted to eating at restaurants that you still expect people to believe that the refund fiasco is about being as safe as possible.

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Rndomuser

Just hang in there, hopefully you and everyone else who deserves refunds will finally get theirs. Including myself. Really can’t wait to leave the toxic cesspit of a “community” this game has attracted and being actively nurtured by developers.

Did you know that the remaining “fans” of this game still discuss you in a negative way on official Discord even though you left official Discord long time ago? Nice way to show potential customers what type of people they will have to play with once the game will be released ;-) And it’s not only on official Discord, same thing happens on official forums as well as unofficial subreddit.

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dinarian_

I am hanging in there, but only because MJ hasn’t honored my refund yet so I have no other choice.

As to people talking about me in Discord, I haven’t been a member in quite a while, and it is really lame that CSE allows talking about me since I am not there to defend myself. BUT I am not at all surprised that CSE chooses to allow it. I think it really shows the negative character of both the posters and of CSE for allowing it.

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Rndomuser

Yea, I don’t believe CSE cares or actually able to understand the importance of creating a friendly and helpful community. If they did care – they would moderate their own forums and Discord better, as well as create their own community on Reddit which would be moderated by CSE (just like Intrepid Studios successfully did) and where potential future players of CU would not have to deal with reading comments like this from such toxic people:

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But hey, perhaps CSE wants to give an impression to people that this is the type of community this game will have (where toxic people attack each other, regardless if they like the game or not), so yea… Good luck with your refund and good luck to anyone who is still waiting for this game.

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Tavadi

people crying about refunds on a kickstarter project xD Take it as a lesson and move on

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dinarian_

Not everyone backed through kick starter. I bought my tier via CSE’s webstore, the webstore that has a written refund policy. Today is day 209 of waiting for my refund.

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Tavadi

Doesnt change the fact that it is a kickstarter game. I mean just google “dinarian + camelot unchained”, how do you think this is all worth it ?

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Mr Ish

It’s taken far longer than I anticipated, but I’ll still be playing it when it releases :).