A Star Trek Online player opened 12,000 lockboxes so you don’t have to

    
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You may have had your fingers in an MMO lockbox or two over the years, but we’re willing to bet that you don’t count your openings in the thousands. But that’s exactly what YouTuber CasualSAB can claim, now that he’s opened an astonishing 12,000 Infinity lockboxes on Star Trek Online’s test server.

The point to this exercise, obviously, was to see what was inside of them and what the odds of desirable items dropping (since Cryptic declines to share that information). The test server is the best place to do this, as there’s a way to copy over lockbox keys without spending them for good.

So what did CasualSAB find? “The ‘grand prize’ drop rate is consistent with what it was 7 years ago with previous test. On average, I got a ship once every 240 boxes (a 0.417% drop rate). However, it is important to note that a ship is not guaranteed every 240 boxes. As you can see in the raw opening footage, I had several periods of no ships dropping for hundreds of boxes.”

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Witches

I play CO and there things are more complicated than this, i can say this about both CO and SWTOR, if you buy x number of lockboxes/keys, and open each individually, let’s say one every day, you will have better results than if you open them all at once, if we were ever to see the code for these things we would find out that there’s more to drop rates than just odds.

Even if the odds are disclosed, that changes very little, it’s difficult for people to understand that odds are meaningless when the highest number is infinity, odds would only be useful if there was an exact number of lockboxes.

If the first 100 people to open the lockbox get the best result, that doesn’t really mean the odds of a good result are 100%, odds are only as good as the last box opened, meaning each time you are opening a box the “odds” are changing, it’s like a target that changes each time you take a shot at it.

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Kevin Smith

I have years of currency saved up from my lifetime sub but in reality I don’t play the game at all now. I have tried going back over and over and it just doesn’t grab me the way it should. Overall the predatory practices of lockboxes pushed me away the most. Having 20 lockboxes in under an hour just lets me know what is the most important thing to the company these days. I can’t stand lockboxes at all. It is gambling in games to try and hook those that have gambling issues. If everything was put in the store were you could just straight out buy it then I wouldn’t care, yeah you would see p2w coming up but in reality this game is all about paying for power these days.. Locking the new stuff behind a pay for a chance to get it should be illegal in gaming.

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Ernost

It’s pretty ironic, if you think about it. Having something as Capitalistic as lockboxes in a game based on Star Trek.

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NeoWolf

There have been lockboxes in STO since 2012, in that time I have opened a lot not going to lie and I hate them, but the carrot of those appealing ships is like a weight around your neck.. you want them, acquiring them via the Exchange is pretty much a non-starter unless you have a billion e-creds lying around as prices for anything T6 get insane quickly so your only option is the lockbox lottery or third party sites for ludicrous amounts of REAL money.

In that ENTIRE time I have had one, I reapeat ONE singular lockbox ship. The Ba’ul ship from Discovery drop from a lockbox, one.

Also in all honesty most of the lockboxes are garbage, so padded out with throw-away consumables that your chances of getting anything worthwhile are minimal. The only box that is worth a damn is the Infinity lockbox, which doesn’t have that issue and mostly just gives you stuff (though your chance of a ship is still pretty much non-existant despite the constant stream of faked messages that someone got a lockbox ship on your screen tries to tell you) and it is that lockbox he opens in the video. The infinity lockbox doesn’t have the mass of largely worthless consumables that all other lockboxes have.

The fact they did in STO what they did in neverwinter as well as tie another important ingame currency (lobi in STO) to lockboxes makes it even worse.

I literally cannot wait for the day when lockboxes in games are banned and they have to start SELLINg this stuff in-game where EVERYONE can finally buy it without getting fleeced first.

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NeoWolf

Oh, and what makes it EVEN worse, is that when you do get fortunate enough to get one of these ships.. they’re not even account unlocks but specific to the character that gets it ONLY. Appalling stuff all round.

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Arktouros

Yea most lock boxes are pretty atrocious. As much as people clamor “show the numbers, show the numbers!” it has basically zero effect on anything.

Loot boxes don’t exactly have this “middle area” of users who are undecided about them and is looking to make a more informed purchase. It’s not like “Oh I was going to buy them or keep buying more in order to get this super rare thing until I learned it had a 5% drop chance!” Like virtually no one says that. Most people are either vehemently against loot boxes or they just don’t really care.

The only thing showing odds on loot boxes or any kind of gacha mechanic is for people who are already against them trash and outrage over such business models in the first place. Which, really, kinda a terrible proposition to give a business tbh.

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trekfangrrrl

Arktouros: “It’s not like “Oh I was going to buy them or keep buying more in order to get this super rare thing until I learned it had a 5% drop chance!”

While your point is taken, I just want to make sure you understand the numbers from this test. It’s not a 5% chance. It’s a 0.5% chance. That’s half of 1 percent.

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ImperialOne I

If you search YouTube, you’ll find it discovered the odds haven’t changed through the years. So while people may despise lock boxes, Cryptic hasn’t changed the odds

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Katzvariak

This is why China mandated that all RNG boxes’s result will be published or readily available to the masses.

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JonBuck

After playing FFXIV for a couple years I can’t really go back to “Free” to Play MMOs. I spent way too much money in STO and I’m willing to simply accept it as a sunk cost and let it go.

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Java Jawa

Jeez, those odds are horrendous — like this should seriously be illegal.

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John Artemus

I feel like when lawmakers in various countries look into lockbox practices and how they relate to gambling laws, STO is a prime example of why these investigations are happening.

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Richard de Leon III

Actually its more the sports games, especially soccer because its more mainstream. They probably couldnt care less that a bunch of star trek nerds are spending money on vapor :(.