Elite Dangerous YouTuber is denied free access to Odyssey’s alpha due to ‘offensive’ content

    
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There are a number of YouTube content creators that have hitched their wagons to Elite: Dangerous. One of them is a YouTuber by the name of Yamiks, whose videos about the game very frequently enter NSFW realms in terms of language and references. It’s, ultimately, for this reason that he was bluntly denied a free key to the game’s upcoming Odyssey expansion.

The brouhaha started when Yamiks posted a video complaining about the fact that Frontier Developments denied him a key to alpha. In the response to his initial request, which was read in the video, an FDev representative explained that alpha keys were limited in number and that they were being allotted to “core content creators and the press.” The rest of the video effectively explained the process of press and influencer access as well as assertions from Yamiks that FDev is using media, press, and fans as a marketing wing, and claiming that he was being treated differently because he provides “detailed critique” or “uses [a redacted word] a few times.”

It would appear to be that the latter reason is what drove FDev’s decision, according to another shared official response from the developers after the video went live:

“For clarity, please understand that we are unwilling to support creators who use references of terminal illness, abortion, drug use, sexuality and other offensive topics with the sole purpose of causing upset.

“We welcome constructive and considered feedback, and will continue to work with many fair, balanced and unbiased creators. You are free to take part in the upcoming public Alpha, alongside the wider Elite Dangerous community.”

Yamiks replied with objections to the assertions that his language was being used specifically to cause upset while once more claiming that his coverage is “unbiased.” Reaction to the whole fiasco from the community appears to be a bit mixed, with some calling out Yamiks’ content as deeply negative and his reaction to the rejection as “entitled,” while other fans of his content believe that Frontier is humorless and trying to stymie negative press.

We’ve embedded the original video below so you can be the judge for yourself, just be warned that it is NSFW for language.

sources: YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, thanks StuartGT for the tip!
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Ernost

Unless this guy is part of some content creator partnership program of the developer, I don’t see why he is entitled to anything.

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Jonathan Hughes

No one is ever entitled to anything unless they either work for it or someone else did and gave it to them. But that’s one of the biggest issues facing society today. Stop giving people crap for coming in last place. They raised a generation of Trophy kids and then they hit the real world and when it hits them back it can’t be their fault. Mommy and Daddy told them for years that they are the brightest, best and most talented person to ever exist so it’s impossible for them to fall or be wrong.. So if it’s not them then it must be everyone else that has the issue and we are so jealous of their talent that all we can do is suppress and abuse them. Can’t be that they just suck or are awful people or in most cases just idiots. They have all those Trophies that prove it for years..
Do your kids a favor., teach them to win with humility and to lose with grace and for god’s sake stop telling them how special they are. I had a two legged dog once. Got bit by a rattlesnake so they had to amputate it’s leg, then a few months later the same thing happened again. He was unique and special but special doesn’t usually equal useful or smart!

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SidratFlush

The problem with FDev is that they are their own worse enemy.

They have The best space flight system ever, in a one to one galaxy, but don’t know what to do with it.

Is it online, solo,small group, large scale, pve or pvp? 8t tries to be everything and thusly cant find its own direction. The gribd is terrible, the market is computer controlled, players can’t make or sell any item or ship so death is meaningless as long as you have rebuy, even materials and engineered modules are fully restored.

The interesting multi part missions don’t pay enough for the time because FDev believe people will do them just because they’re interesting, which is possibly only true AFTER a player has reached their end goal and still want to play after the interminable grind. FDev has stated this as the reason for the low mission payouts.

Combat with NPC’s, are dull with very few tactics, either jousting, or circling around an invisible handbag.

The material acquisition loop is dull and engineering needs one heck of a rewrite.

I, like the ED YouTube community WANT,this to succeed, but it’s in the hands of FDev, who even managed to very nearly make Obsidian Ant cry while recording a video about the neglect of the game in addressing the shortfalls that had existed for so long, some of which still do, and that video was about 6 months to a year after the release of Horizons, which finally everyone has now.

That was also a mind-boggling decision from FDev at the beginning, also relying on peer to peer networking.

I like TheYamiks, he is fair while being entertaining in a childish but for adults, manner.

If FDev were serious about getting feedback from the Alpha preview players they would make it free, but it comes at a premium, which I’ve grudgingly paid again because I, like others Want it to succeed.

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PhoenixDfire

I do agree with you on some of you’re points. If you’re soloing the game then I reckon you have between 40-60 hours of gameplay, (which is not bad for a £20 game) before the grind can really turn you off. As with all sandbox games, if you achieve a goal, you have to find another one, otherwise the game loses it’s appeal.

However, I’ve found ED does come alive when you start getting involved with other players. If you can find a group of players to work the BGS, (or even Powerplay) then it does open up to a whole new level. Especially when it comes to PvP combat (not including ganking and seal-clubbing in that).

They have rebalanced some of the combat and exploration rewards, which means decent rewards for veteran players. However, as usual with fdev, they also made it too easy for starter players to get to the top level ships. Maybe that was intentional to get newbies up there but I feel it misses out on flying some fantastic ships.

They still need to sort out ;-

  1. Crime and Punishment mechanics
  2. Power Play
  3. Don’t get me started on CQC
  4. Better Linked missions*

But all in all, the game is in a lot better shape that it was this time last year, especially now that the background narrative appears to be doing something interesting.

*The thing about the linked missions is they need to create a procedural generated narrative, through say three to five missions, and make it feel natural. I don’t think even NMS has managed that one yet. Having a hand coded campaign would be a bit too ‘theme-park’ and really feel out of place.

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treehuggerhannah

So he wanted a key for free, and they didn’t give him a key for free, and he somehow feels denied or repressed? Since when do devs owe YouTubers game products they didn’t pay for? They’re not saying he can’t play it or stream it – just that they aren’t giving him special access. Honestly sounds extremely entitled.

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Utakata

The exercise of free speech in part is telling someone where to stuff it when they find that person’s content they are presenting appalling and beyond the pale. Just saying…

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Bryan Correll

I’m not much bothered by coarse language on youtube. But the amount of entitled whining in that video tells me that, regardless of their reasons, not giving him a key was the right move.

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Tom Walsh

Imma “influencer” .. gimme gimme gimme

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Bruno Brito

Normal. Pilav also never gets any beta invites for WoW xpacs because he has, let’s say, “controversial” humor.

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Grimmtooth

All they gotta say is “we don’t finance edgelords” and that’s job done. They have that right.

Live by the edgelord, die by the edgelord.

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Neurotic

This is perfect! XD

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Tobasco da Gama

Bingo. I wouldn’t want Yamiks associated with my brand either.

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PhoenixDfire

The thing with Yamiks was that he used to be funny. The earlier videos were a decent mix toilet humour, mixed with useful information and balanced analysis. I’m not criticising him for the toilet humour, heck where would Lave Radio be with an innuendo or two, but over the last four years that has shifted from balanced to harsh criticism and then to ‘abusive’ behaviour.

We all know that since the end of Beyond, the game had a serious content drought and fdev deserved some of the ire sent their way. However, since the fleet carriers, things have really picked up and the game has gotten better with both community communications and content, where as Yamiks has gotten worse. I know that most of the ‘slurs’ he uses are part of his the ‘outrage/shock humour’ personality that his channel has but even those have been taken too far lately.

When you get to the point that when he’s calling upcoming content those kind of slurs, you can’t really expect the company to give you a free copy of the game that you’re just going to slag off anyway.

You could argue that he’s giving the game exposure to his 100K followers but with that many followers and with the revenue he’s getting from google and his patron’s, he can spare the £40 for the alpha. He can continue to stream away to his heart’s content. He’s not being censored by fdev nor are they trying to shut down him down.

Indecently, the You Tuber with the most ED followers (‘Obsidian Ant’) has not been given a free copy of Odyssey either (and neither has any member of Lave Radio), so why should Yamiks get special treatment. It’s just they don’t want to work with someone with the kind off content he creates. It’s their choice because it’s their game.

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lolzzer

You could argue that he’s giving the game exposure to his 100K followers but with that many followers and with the revenue he’s getting from google and his patron’s, he can spare the £40 for the alpha

Or you could actually listen to what he said, and realise Frontier’s denial of a review key isn’t about making him pay £40. It is about preventing him running a review saying the product is shit, before it releases.

I’m not surprised Frontier have cut ObsidianAnt out too. He’s called out way too much of crap Frontier pull on each broken Elite Dangerous update for Frontier to want to risk him being the first one to get the facts on this release to players before they hand over their unrefundable money to Frontier.

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Nim

That’s actually a pretty interesting point. Only releasing early access keys to non-critical reviewers would be a great way to trick a lot of people into handing over their money before the real-reviews come out.

But I think it’s worthwhile to point out that when you build your brand on being offensive…

For clarity, please understand that we are unwilling to support creators who use references of terminal illness, abortion, drug use, sexuality and other offensive topics with the sole purpose of causing upset.

It’s incredibly easy for people to dismiss you as an edgelord, even if you might have a good point.

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PhoenixDfire

It’s not a case of only handing out keys to ‘good reviewers’. They haven’t given review copies to anyone in the community, good reviewer or not. In my opinion OA would be considered a good reviewer.

Obsidian Ant presents his criticism in such a way that the developers don’t feel under attack. Both Yamiks and OA will make the same point but they’ll listen to OA instead of Yamiks because he doesn’t compare they’re work to an abortion.

In my opinion, Yamiks would not be because even if Fdev made the best DLC in the world, he would still slate it because that’s what his audience wants and it’s what gets him is views.

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lolzzer

They haven’t given review copies to anyone in the community

You’ve no idea. Unless you work for Frontier. In which case you’d know you’re wrong.

Frontier offered ObsidianAnt a copy. He said no.

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SidratFlush

I’ll be interested to see who got early access for free.

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PhoenixDfire

Here’s the link to what Ant said.

He didn’t need another key because he’d already purchased one and he’s got the Lifetime Access Pass for the other account. I’m under NDA at the moment but I can say that none of the ‘Content Creators’ got early access to Odyssey.

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SidratFlush

No thats not what he wants his videos to be about.

They’ve become negative because there is very little to rave about.

He has very well researched and focused videos too for ship, modules and game play loops.

Critics who still play the game want it to succeed. If ignored long enough or state of game gets worse, they stop playing and stop promoting the game.

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Schmidt.Capela

Sincerely, I’m of the opinion that crude language and offensive jokes should disqualify any creator from receiving free or early access to games and expansions (unless the crudeness is on-brand for the game). IMHO content creators that resort to that crap are detrimental to the brand and community, so the best approach for studios is to avoid giving them any freebies or benefits, so as to clearly signal that this kind of behavior isn’t what the studio supports.

And yeah, I think those concerns override any concern about whether the foul-mouthed creator would make a positive or negative review about the product; the possible tone of a review is irrelevant, given that there is already a legitimate, and much stronger, reason to deny the creator any early access.

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styopa

You’re not a special snowflake.
Youtubers who talk about games are literally a dime a dozen.
They’re interested in promoting their brand.

If you want their free perqs, ask yourself: Why would they want their brand associated with you?