Massively OP Podcast Episode 315: The Wrath Baby strikes back

    
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Small steps.

On this week’s show, Bree, Chris, Tyler, and Justin talk about Magic Legends’ soft launch, World of Warcraft’s business practices, Burning Crusade Classic’s beta test, Elite Dangerous Odyssey, Raph Koster’s manifesto, and mail about subscriptions and excessive currencies.

It’s the Massively OP Podcast, an action-packed hour of news, tales, opinions, and gamer emails! And remember, if you’d like to send in your question to the show, use this link or call in to our voicemail at (734) 221-3973.

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Sarnaut Explorer

Not sure where to ask a question like this: where do most people go to find potential mmos to try? I will also send this in as an email cuz I am dying to find something to keep me engaged and GW2, BDO, and Allods have been my 3, but Allods is on hold due to not having the income to cover the sub fee.

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Paragon Lost

Been a bit busy with semi house hunting/shopping. Anyhow now that I have a moment I wanted to point out how much I feel that strongly that the Tyler sort of player is so bad for the health of the mmorpg industry.

He epitomises why were sort of doomed. He doesn’t want to pay a subscription fee, he doesn’t want to buy things in the cash shop, does he even put up with buy once and play model? I couldn’t tell on that score.

My issue is this, how does he expect the game developer to stay in business, pay its bills, pay its employees, maintain the mmorpg and maybe develop new material if he and others like him don’t give them money?

For a pittance of a price of lunch you get 30 days access to a game that’s pretty much up 24/7/365. How is that too costly? Seriously? Game developers have had to twist themselves into pretzels in order to figure out how to earn income for their games due to players who feel this way.

We probably would have seen a lot of these shitty business models and practices regardless of this type of player, but this type of player helped accelerate and empower the crappy business models we now see that impact game design and development in a negative way.

No wonder until the pandemic hit I was spending more and more time playing tabletop rpgs again. I’m pretty disgusted with the state of mmorpgs, the developers and the players these days.

Quick Edit before the timer runs out: I don’t dislike Tyler personally mind you, just case for those who are a bit slower on the update. I dislike what his stance is on this, just a reminder.

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I think he said he prefers buy to play model, but I’m two whiskeys into the evening and may be wrong…?

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Paragon Lost

Hmmm… Two whiskeys in… Great idea! 👍🥃

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Probably having a third, and regretting it during first Skype mtg. tomorrow!

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Paragon Lost

Lol, no regrets!

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Sláinte! Wolfhound Irish whiskey is a real value label.

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Paragon Lost

Lechyd da! If I’m recalling the Welsh version of Sláinte correctly.

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Bree Royce

Tyler buys most of the games he writes about for NSM – if I understand his position, it’s the subs he dislikes. He also does work for a pen-and-paper gaming company, so I think he understands that companies gotta pay the bills. :D

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Kherova

btw – age of Wrath babies: reluctant to share it, but I’m 60+ and I’m a Wrath baby! No interest in BC, but I will be back once Wrath classic is out!

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Bree Royce

There’s zero shame in it! You got to experience the best of WoW before the decline, without having to go through the rough early years. Wrath Babies are the lucky ones. :D

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Paragon Lost

(Points up at Bree’s post) This.

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Hostagecat

I love when you guys have Chris and Tyler on. Tyler do not feel like your contrarian, your grounded take on things is both reasonable and well lets face it a great way to remind us, not everybody thinks alike. I think we spend to much time our way or the highway, and well its good to hear from somebody that is both rational and logical arguing a different point.

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Every word of this! :D

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Chris’ relating gaming with his husband struck a chord with me. Having a gamer spouse is a huge perk, avoiding arguments about “wasting time” playing games vs. “doing things” IRL.

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Chris Neal

It’s easily one of the best parts of our marriage. When both of us agree on a game that we love playing together, it gives our bare time we have with each other even greater value. :D

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Paragon Lost

Also non gaming time it gives you yet one more common item to talk about during the day as well. My spouse and I just have so many similar passions, hobbies etc that I wish we’d met even sooner. :)

That’s how you know you got it right, when after a couple decades you look back and think, “not to be greedy but I wish we’d met and fallen for each other even further back so that we had even more time and memories together!”

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Agreed. That and avoiding potential alimony pitfalls if one chose poorly beforehand…

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McGuffn

“it gives our bare time we have with each other even greater value.”

This is a fantastic mistype. Also: giggity and nerdy but also not really.

Haven’t listened to the episode yet, but for you and anyone else, when your loved one is playing a game that you don’t like and you know is just objectively awful or whatever does your heart sink just a little bit and do you wonder, “how could I be involved with this person/monster?”

Tell the truth now! lol. And my answer is yes.

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I’ll ask my other half if this goes through their thoughts as I play EVE Online…

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Paragon Lost

Having a spouse who is a gamer is the best world to live in. :)

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NeoWolf

I do not feel like any Old school developers learn anything” – Bree 2021′ Quoted for truth :)

Hence the generation of rinse and repeat overmonetised MMO trash we’ve all just had to live through

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Minimalistway

“messy, deep, and more of an MMO than you think” should be a tshirt 🤣

Thank you for including my question, i have no problem with currencies when they are simple, collect and spend, but convert them to many currencies with different vendors? that’s too much, or some vendors ask for 2 or more of them to buy an item, why?