The Daily Grind: Are you concerned about Guild Wars 2’s End of Dragons?

    
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The Guild Wars 2 community has been a jumble this week. While half of the discussion has centered on the brewing hype machine for End of Dragons and the rest of the summer Guild Wars 2 roadmap, the other half revolves around whether or not people are justified in feeling deep disappointment in the story and conclusion. I saw people literally calling on ArenaNet to apologize, complaining about retcons and Game of Thrones-level botch-jobs. Obviously, not everyone agrees, but even MOP’s own columnists are pretty bummed out over it, as you’ll likely hear next week.

Personally, the Icebrood Saga has never pulled me in. I loved Path of Fire, and I will cheerfully break my “no preorders” rule for End of Dragons, but I’ve had a hard time getting worked up over Icebrood period, and it’s been fizzling for a while. It’s been really obvious for more than the last year that ArenaNet had moved its attention and care to End of Dragons. But if Icebrood turned out slightly underwhelming because End of Dragons is good, well, realistically, I kind of expected that.

Of course, if End of Dragons turns out to be equally meh too, the whole game is in trouble, but one bridge at a time. Are you concerned about Guild Wars 2’s End of Dragons or the overall state of the game based on the conclusion of the Icebrood Saga?

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Bannex

The last xpac was mostly great imo. I don’t see why this should be any different especially now that it’s in a land everybody has been asking for…

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styopa

Irritable Bowel Syndrome episodes were meh after the prologue which itself was, I understand, created pre-purging of staff. Coincidence?

The end reward was a nice bonus, but Anet too went balls-deep on the borrowed power thing for IBS and DRMs. Masteries in IBS are mostly useless anywhere else.

Worse, they doubled-down (tripled-down maybe) on the ‘accumulate trivial tokens per thing you do so that you can spend ridiculous numbers of them for rewards (like weapon skins) that are completely mediocre’.

I’m looking forward to EoD but if it’s just a bigger more-of-the-recent same? It’s not going to inspire anyone to stick with the game.

Then again the AAA MMO market is so shit I’m vaguely wondering if SWL was really as bad as I remember. So maybe GW2 survives in a collapsed fragmented ecosystem anyway, because there no predator out there eating these barely-alive, deflated, noncompetitive, uninteresting Darwin-failures anyway.

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Greaterdivinity

Masteries in IBS are mostly useless anywhere else.

Worse, they doubled-down (tripled-down maybe) on the ‘accumulate trivial tokens per thing you do so that you can spend ridiculous numbers of them for rewards (like weapon skins) that are completely mediocre’.

Man, I’m so with you. I haven’t even cared about working on these masteries, they honestly feel like pointless busy work for something that will largely be unused once the chapter ends.

And I honestly don’t even know why they keep it up with the currencies. I haven’t the foggiest clue what any of the currencies from the latest chapter really even are and it feels like adding a million currencies that most people will never even see or engage with outside of when the content is relevant.

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styopa

Best/worst one I saw was some item you could buy after ridiculous currencies, like the “cool” item from the chapter, is something that would give you a red glow in one fist, blue in another (mildly cool, yeah)….except they only glow when you have those DRM buffs active.
How astonishingly useless.

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Greaterdivinity

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Saga%27s_End_Draconic_Core

Apparently you get it for free, you don’t have to buy it. The note is confusing, but if it’s as limiting as it implies (need to go to DRM to get the buffs, the item just lets you maintain the visual while you’re logged in but I assume would reset when you log out) that’s a bit of a bummer. I just hope you don’t need masteries to get those buffs because…yeah I haven’t kept up with those as they’ve gotten grindier, less exciting, and worse over time.

Wish Anet would return to the PoF-esque approach or just up the bloody level cap already.

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styopa

So yeah I have it, but (very common for GW2) the thing itself mentions nothing of its auras. LOL

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Bruno Brito

Not really. I’m more concerned that the next xpac is bad, and their balance keeps being this bad considering the new patchnotes. I’ve never seen a company understand less their own game than i feel with Anet and GW2.

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Arktouros

Guild Wars 2 story has been hot garbage for a super long time somewhere around during Living Season 3 and them transitioning towards the Balthazar/Dragons story line. I haven’t experienced much past beginning LS4 but I completely lost interest super fast and that seems to be the theme regarding all their story content with me dropping it super fast after starting it.

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Greaterdivinity

Oh boy…haven’t played through the latest chapter yet and… : | : |

Avoiding spoilers, but I’ll temper expectations going in because they were actually a bit high after what I thought were some nice developments in the past episode or two.

Am I concerned unrelated to that? Yeah, a bit. With all the ups and downs over the years since PoF, the “meh-ness” of all the EotN content, and the slew of departures/layoffs, I’m not the most optimistic about the next expansion. But I’m hopeful, especially that it’ll make GW2 more of a “main game” again.

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McGuffn

Am I concerned? No. Am I interested? No.

Icebrood saga, and the dragon response missions especially were good though (by no means have I played them all or fully.) The game desperately needed some new kind of content and while they weren’t wildly different from what came before, a quick, repeatable instance with ambient story that didn’t make you wait around for scripted story checks (or shove in arcane mechanics) fit the bill nicely.

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Utakata

I’ll be worried for the future of this game if their returns for this expansion are not what they where hoping for.

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miol

Thinking you can make good (TV-)episodes inside an MMO,
is like thinking you can make a good movie out of World of Warcraft! ;P

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miol

^

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Winter

I’m currently playing GW2 started back in February when I got bored of WoW. The biggest issue I have is I watched their Arena Net’s MMO Manifesto video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU1JUwPqzQY) both Colin and Ree specifically say about removing the grind in MMOs. This is not the case with the current GW2. May I introduce you to masteries and mounts Colin and Ree? Don’t get me wrong I’m still having fun however they are definitely not following their design philosophy.

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Eamil

Their manifesto video was shown as BS the day the game came out.

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Utakata

I suspect it’s a failure that they simply couldn’t live up to those expectations when came to the bottom line thinking. So they went with a lower common denominator instead. But I am sure that manifesto was a brilliant marketing tool in it’s own right, for what that’s worth…

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Castagere Shaikura

Yeah because the forum posters wanted a free version of Wow and they got it.

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Utakata

They could of wanted what was being offered in said manifesto as well. In the end though, it wouldn’t of mattered. It’s just much easier for the devs to pad the bottom line with what they went with currently.

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Sleepy

The skyscale grind was the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever encountered. If I hadn’t used GW2TacO I’d never have bothered.

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Axetwin .

The masteries for the normal mounts isn’t that bad. There’s more than enough PoF content to where you don’t need to grind for those masteries, simply playing the game normally will get you all the xp you need for each rank. Unlocking the Griffon on the other hand is a grind, especially if you don’t have a reliable way of making money. Then there’s the Skyscale, and that was just a full on chore. An unfun chore.

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Bruno Brito

We don’t talk about the Manifesto.

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SmiteDoctor

Maybe ANet can help fund EoD with an old school table top version of Champions Judgment?

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