City of Titans takes you on a tour of its downtown zone

    
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If there’s a constant with superheroes, it’s “massive property damage.” Wherever villains and heroes clash, buildings grow new holes and Starbucks finds that its total franchise numbers have gone down by one or two. So it’s probably best to get a look at what a pristine metropolis looks like before it gets totally wrecked.

City of Titans invited fans this week to look at what its downtown zone looks like — at least before they get their smudgy fingerprints all over it.

“Work has continued on downtown,” the team said, “and like Titan City’s Alexandria and Old Bradford districts, we can now report that all of the landmark and mogul buildings in downtown are constructed, along with most of the architecture in the district. Only partial work on streets and grounds remains for finishing construction of downtown.”

The downtown region includes a wide range of sights, including towering skyscrapers, the Titan City Stock Exchange, a secretive graveyard, and tropical gardens.

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MrEllis
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MrEllis

Remember Damage Control?

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Neurotic

Looks amazing! I had no idea they were doing such a great job with this!

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Andrew Clear

Looks pretty decent to me.

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angrakhan

have they even confirmed destructible environments? My guess is all that plate glass is made from clear vibranium and nothing short of a world-ending singularity event will break them.

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EmberStar

It would be fun if they could at least do what the old Freedom Force games did, and allow “Rampage” level building destruction – Building drops below X health, part of it collapses. Do X amount more, the whole thing disappears in a cloud of dust and debris (and presumably massive collateral fatalities – Great job there Supes, punching General Zod right through that skyscraper.)

It’s a least a compromise between “The Matrix” level sim where you can visit every office cubicle, and “Our buildings are made of 100% Cratium, the strongest substance in the universe! That’s why we make our shipping crates out of it!” which can deflect even the death rays fired by two kilometer tall cybernetic cthulhu monsters from space.

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Ken from Chicago

Bad guys, what a surprise!

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srmalloy

There might be some issues with that, given that some of the buildings across the city are the property of the Mogul-level contributors, and it would probably get salty if players were able to destroy other players’ property.

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EmberStar

I’m not saying permanent, ongoing procedural destruction and rebuilding. I’d assume the buildings would need to respawn pretty much exactly the way NPCs do. Characters and bad guys have a massive fight, stuff gets knocked down, and half an hour later it just quietly resets.

Trying to play in an MMO where people knock stuff down permanently would be like trying to play one one of those Minecraft servers that declares it’s NOT griefing to make a giant cube of dynamite on top of someone’s house and detonate it. (IE, the entire map would be a giant crater full of rubble, all the time.)

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srmalloy

You still have the problem with “Player A destroys building B while Player C is in the building”, particularly when it’s a building that player C received because of their contribution during CoT’s Kickstarter program. I suppose you could do something like Paragon Studios started doing with their “instanced outdoor missions” setup, first in Praetoria, then in missions like Matthew Habashy’s first two missions in Atlas Park, but I’ve seen reports of it being clunky and having the potential to hide mission goals if there is conflicting mission progress within a team.

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Ken from Chicago

That would be fun.

But at what cost?

Do you just show blocks or show inner structures, furniture, people in the debris? How much time, coding and money would that cost?

Also … In a world … Of superheroes and supervillains, wouldn’t it be just prudent to use Mth metal spray on coating to protect your structures from random destruction? 🤔👍🤣

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MrEllis

The map would just be rubble after five minutes.

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Java Jawa

A higher textured COH, looking forward to seeing which one of these comes out first and how the builder is.

Hopefully they nail the travel powers as I feel that’s so core to a super hero game.

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Dug From The Earth

For me its 2 things:

1. How good is the builder, it needs to at least match CoH, if not surpass.
2. How good is animation and control of your character. CoH may be old, but the combat is fluid and fast and the animations fit well without looking like some cheap prebuilt engine asset from Unity.

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IronSalamander8 .

The animations in CoX are so good that I’ve yet to see an MMO do better.

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Ken from Chicago

They have flight looking pretty good from 3 months ago:

Here’s a flight update from 1 month ago (you might want to skip to the 7:30 or 8:00 mark, it starts out mostly dressing the character):

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Ken from Chicago

Justin, to save a city omelet, you have to break a few building eggs. 👍🤣

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Fisty

These poor games will never make it over 1k concurrent players.

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Ken from Chicago

Why is that so bad? I mean, how many players do you play with in a game?

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EmberStar

It depends on if he means “people playing in the same instance of the same zone,” in which case I’m pretty sure almost NO modern games even attempt more than a couple hundred. Battle Royales are very proud of the fact that they can deal with modern levels of player bandwidth with up to 100 players, so I’m not sure that would really be relevant.

Or if he means “people playing the game in *any way* at the same time. IE, concurrent user logins, or whatever the term is. In which case, I’m not sure I understand what the problem is. I have no experience at map design, but he’s the second person to make that comment (if that’s what Fisty is commenting.) Maybe there’s some feature obvious in the screenshots that I’m just not seeing.

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Ken from Chicago

Yeah, even STAR CITIZEN is using Object Container Streaming to allow players in one “container” at least see players in other containers even though they are in separate container s. If they get close enough then put them in the same container. But for that they need Server Meshing which they might finish Q4 of 2021 but I’m adding an extra year because they are bad with estimates.

Playing the game any way at the same time, I thought that was more of the MAU (Monthly Active Users).

I’m not sure what the problem is with the map design. CITY OF HEROES had mobs on certain sections and instanced “door” missions so how the overall map was designed didn’t seem like that big of a problem to me since each group was relatively isolated.

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Fisty

Well, they won’t make a ton, they may not have longevitty, they may not make anything.

But, I think you knew that. It has nothing to do with having a fun experience on a small server.

I also never said it was a problem Just poor guys.

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Your Honor

I’m sorry but the map design is terrible. I know this is CoH inspired game but you can’t do this in the 2020s. Games have moved on. This will be trash.

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Ken from Chicago

Why is the map design terrible?

Why can’t this be done in the 2020s?

Games have “moved on” at a time WoW Classic was the most popular version of WoW before California lawsuit and every other game is a remaster or reboot of a classic game or do e in a retro 8but or 16bit style?

And how does the game map make this game trash?

Please, elaborate. 🤔

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Your Honor

Are you really comparing WoW Classic which is the most successful MMO with this idie project? You are crazy. This looks shit. I am looking at the screenshots and they look bad. Very uninspired, boring-looking city. Simple as. It won’t do well. Come back to me when this is out and is garbage.

Obviously, this is my opinion and you are welcome to disagree. But this is trash.

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Ken from Chicago

I’m glad you agree that WoW Classic, not WoW Retail, is one of the most popular MMOs, conclusively demonstrating games have *not* all “moved on”, that there’s room for the Olde Days.

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Your Honor

Not sure what point you are trying to make here? Classic WoWs open-world design is fantastic. Even to this day, it beats the living shit out of everything out there. INCLUDING CoH which is what this is based on.

From screenshots, you can see how sad it all looks. Looks like CoH with better lighting and slightly better textures, if that. The third screenshot looks pathetic I hope that’s ALL a placeholder.

If you have forgotten CoH didn’t manage to hold players which is why they closed. Champions Online is still around and this doesn’t look as good. Graphics are important. This looks like absolute shit.

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Chris Johnson

“Games have moved on” “you can’t do this in the 2020’s”

Funny that you state this when the game that inspired COT is back from the dead and is doing just fine. As far as being “trash,” that’s a matter of opinion, one which I do not share. I would MUCH rather play this than the next installment of your basic sports sequel of first person shooter. For me, THAT is what I call trash!

To each his own I guess.

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IronSalamander8 .

Hey now! I love FPS games, well the retro ones mostly like Dusk and Ion Fury, not Call of Duty 907 or whatever one they’re on now! But I also love CoX! I do hate sports games though, especially after seeing Angry Joe tear into Madden 22 recently.

I also am wondering how the post that started all this can know this map design is terrible without a navigable version to try out? CoX’s zones mostly felt like actual cities, or at least city blocks, so that’s not bad map design. It looks good from what I can see.

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Your Honor

From the screenshots. It looks terrible. It looks slightly better than the original CoH. But that shit won’t pass now. You can disagree with me. but CoH didn’t manage to hold players and this indie project won’t either.

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Ken from Chicago

“CoH didn’t manage to hold players”

Meanwhile there are not one, two, but three spiritual successors to CoH in the works, multiple rogue servers in operation and the Editor In Chief of a major massively multiplayer online news site, who is exposed to the length and breadth of MMOs in existence, and where does she her time? Usually it’s CoH, that is, when it’s not STAR WARS GALAXIES (another “classic” MMO).

And look, I’m not your boss and I’m certainly not you dad. You don’t owe me jack squat. Your visceral reaction caught me off guard and I was looking for some specific reasons behind it so I could understand. But if you can’t articulate your reasoning and only repeat your reaction, that’s fine.

I couldn’t articulate why I despise the taste of okra, beets, chitterlings, coconut, cotton candy and whatever extruded chemical they bag up and label “Twizzlers” in the Midwest and “Red Vines” on the coast–other than they all taste different and they all taste like crap. They kill it all with fire as far I’m concerned.

Now that’s different from mine chocolates. Those are two great tastes that taste terrible together. One is cool and refreshing, the other is warm and sweet. The conflicting tastes hurt. As opposed to chocolate and peanut butter. Two great tastes that taste great together.

But I digress. You have the right not to like it and the right to not have to back up your reaction. The world is bad enough as is without getting into a fight over something that’s meant to be fun.

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Your Honor

This looks slightly better than CoH from the early 2000s and it’s 2021. What part of that do you not get? This looks terrible. It does, it just does. That is my reason why this will not succeed. Graphics do matter. Classic WoW looks better than this.

I just looked at character creator too. Terrible. I can’t believe how mediocre it looks. It doesn’t matter how much money they have or that they are indie devs with little talent or skill. People who pay money for the game don’t give a damn about that all they care about is getting a good product. This doesn’t look like it.

Yeah there are private servers out there and I played it, it’s cool. For 2000s. It was my first sub MMO, have very fond memories of it. But this here, what I am looking at. Is sad and bad. Ugly. It’s almost like there is a huge frame clash between the way the world looks and the stiff, playdough-looking characters.

That is my opinion.

What are the other two spiritual successors? I’ll check them out this one is trash. Champions Online looks better.

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Ken from Chicago

It looks slightly better than CoH that has a surge in popularity on rogue servers–in 2021, despite there other games that have “moved on”.

WoW Classic is one the most popular games despite competition from other games, including WoW Retail, that have “moved on”.

So, while you certainly have every right not to like a game, the above statements are contradictory. You point to poor visuals as to why Cost will fail but then admit the visuals are better than CoH that has a surge in popularity in 2021 despite the presence of games that have, to quote, “moved on”. I bring it up because maybe visuals aren’t all that players look for in a game and thus judging a game’s future success based merely on its visual might be hasty.

Then again, you have every right to climb out on that limb and make that call. Further longshots have come true.

One other thing:

But CoT map design and now character creator looks “terrible”. “It just does.” So, repeating a charge is not the same as explaining your charge. It’s like if I said “The cake is terrible, it just is,” is not me explaining why the cake is terrible but merely repeating the charge. Now if I said “The cake is terrible, it’s dry, sour, and too hard,” then I have added reasons to explain my initial charge.

Now, on the other hand, stating the map design is bad, the visuals are bad and that the character creator is bad do count as reasons for why you think the CoT the game would be bad. Thank for that. I at least now have a clearer understanding of your perspective.

To which, I reply CITY OF TITANS is still in alpha, not even in beta, still being worked on. While you’re right, players don’t care if the devs are indies and new to development, the game hasn’t been released yet. So, judging the game as if it’s released or even close to release … I would call that decision … terrible, just terrible.

But, hey, just because I think the kind of judgement is terrible and premature, doesn’t mean it won’t be proved right in the end. You could still be. The devs might rest on their laurels, despite your stinging reprove and slack off and release an ultimately terrible game.

Then again, they could’ve done that years ago, take the money and run. Hey, covid was the easy out.

But. They. Stuck. With. It.

So, for that alone, I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Clearly you disagree. Fine. That’s your right. Live long and prosper. 🖖

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Your Honor

A surge of popularity doesn’t mean a viable product! There aren’t even 100k people playing that game. Not even 50k concurrent no way. But that’s beside the point. It doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that it looks crap.

WoW Classic has deep roots and plays a lot on people’s nostalgia. Same with CoH. What does this have? “Hey guys we are like that thing you remember back 15 years ago but with slightly better graphics and also same crap, boring map design and somehow shittier looking characters”. Sorry, no.

You keep going on about that surge of popularity. From the people who USED to play the game. How many new people have entered into it? I doubt it’s many. A surge in popularity over a long-dead game doesn’t say anything. I am not saying a game like this can’t exist for crying out loud. I am saying that a game like this with graphics like this and characters like that can’t exist and it won’t. You can say whatever you want but if this ever sees the light of day in a state it’s in now it will crash and burn. But you are welcome to disagree. Time will tell anyway.

I told you why. It looks bad. graphically the game already looks outdated. The characters look bad. Stiff looking. Playdough looking.

If this is all placeholders then whatever I get it but then why are they even showing this? I don’t want to fund it when I see this. I showed it to my partner just now (We played CoH for a while on the private server that took off) She literally thought it was CoH again. Imagine that a game that’s supposed to come out sometime in this decade can pass looking like a 20-year-old turd. I can’t possibly see this game taking off past the small minority that played/plays CoH. And no matter how many people are playing it right now due to this surge it’s experiencing, it’s still a drop in a bucket in comparison to currently SUCCESSFUL MMOs. It takes more than 10k people playing it to sustain it with updates.

Anyways, I see it as I see it and you see it as you see it.

What are the other spiritual successors? Ship of Heroes is one?

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Ken from Chicago

“WoW Classic has deep roots and plays a lot on people’s nostalgia. Same with CoH.”

Thank you for agreeing there’s more to a game than visuals. 👍

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Your Honor

Yes but this game doesn’t have that. It just has bad visuals.

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Ken from Chicago

You are 100 percent correct. The game that hasn’t been released, hasn’t gone to beta, that’s still in alpha, doesn’t have deep roots or nostalgia. Excellent observation.

Except for that it’s made by some of the devs from and players of CoH for players of CoH.

But, hey, thus has all happened before. People from a beloved franchise try to revive it for fans of said franchise and they get the Sequel Trilogy of Star Wars and hatred and vitriol and feuds left, right and center. And yes, CITY OF TITANS could prove to have a similar reaction.

Or

People might react to THE MANDALORIAN which had a huge beloved fan reaction to its first season finale and blew up the internet with its second season finale. Funny thing about the second finale was that even the fans that were crying with joy, even at the moment admitted the cgi Like face was terrible and by terrible, they meant stiff, unrealistic, plasticky–and they didn’t care. They willingly suspended disbelief. They CHOSE not to let one flaw bring them down.

Maybe most people will react like you and recoil in horror from the visuals. And maybe they won’t. After all, if they can stand playing the actual original CoH on rogue servers, maybe they won’t upchuck on a game that you, who has shown a … wee … bit of antipathy for the game (and don’t try to argue this point, I got all the receipts on that 👍🤣), even you admit the graphics are slightly better than original CoH.

You know, maybe even some might do something totally crazy like look for the review by certain MMO reporters and other players to try out the game and report their impressions and comments on said website if on the off chance they feel some trepidations about taking the plunge themselves to see if there might actually be more than “bad visuals” in the game.

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Your Honor

So? It’s made by some of the same people. Okay. So? It’s not the same game.

Bro, I just said the game looks shit so far. I don’t care what you think. You think it’s great. Awesome. More power to you. I am not trying to convince you otherwise. Relax.

I get it, you’ve invested money so it has to succeed. Well. I think it will not. Not if that’s their benchmark but I am perfectly fine with you thinking otherwise.

Doesn’t change the fact that objectively speaking the game looks very dated already with very stiff animations and poor character models. Objectively speaking. You can’t compare this to GW2 or WoW retail or classic for that matter. This looks bad. You may think it looks good or okay or whatever but if you showed these screenshots to 10 random gamers and asked them “does this look good” I wonder what the answers would be.

Anyways. Hope it all works out for this game, if only for you, cause you seem to be very defensive over this turd.

What are the other games you mentioned? Can you answer that question? I think ship of heroes is one but I don’t know what the other two are since you said there are three in total.

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How is it terrible? Can’t do *what* in 2020s? I glanced at the screenshots, I don’t see anything that egregious. I mean, the buildings are probably still props with no interiors… but so are the buildings in the most recent Spiderman game unless there’s a specific scripted mission to go inside one.

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Ken from Chicago

Right, like in COH, you had buildings and if you went inside, it was an instanced door mission–or a social hub like the dance club or auction house.

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Your Honor

You don’t see how bad it looks? You must be blind then because it looks like a game from the 2000s. The early 2000s.

I’m not talking about interiors that you can’t see I am talking about what you can see and what you can see is that this game looks widely outdated ALREADY. I hope this is all a placeholder but I am puzzled why they are showing it then. Looking at CoH the similarities with that game which is almost 20 years old is just uncanny.

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Utakata

Exactly where have games moved on to?

…and be careful how you answer that. o.O

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Your Honor

Graphically, average MMOs have moved on from early 2000s graphics. Guild Wars 2 is almost 10 years old now and looks fantastic in comparison to those screenshots. This game isn’t even out yet and looks outdated as hell.

Look it’s okay if you like it. That’s a different topic people like what they like. But to the mass public out there they will take one look at this and lol and move on, and they will be right. This looks horrible.

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Truvidien

I believe the map design is from actual cities but I could be wrong.