Camelot Unchained shares updates on Cait Sith, mage mechanics, global servers, and coastal areas

    
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If that headline reads a bit like a cornucopia, that’s because it’s September and I’m ready for all the good autumn things. It’s also because Camelot Unchained has been busy putting together a wide variety of updates to the developing MMORPG, naturally; I just wanted to beam happily at the fall season.

The August Top Ten-ish, which went out a little sooner than it was meant to before, showcases work on Linux backend matters; changes to melee combat that break up the melee tree into weapon and style types; adjustments to crowd control immunity that break it up into their own individual buckets (knockback, slow, and silence); and setting up of worldwide servers, with one test running the game from a server in Singapore reportedly going “as smooth as silk.”

Meanwhile the game’s latest newsletter offers another round of deep-dives, with looks at the Cait Sith and Hamadryad races, some shots from the Coastal Lowlands region, and a full rundown of how mage characters in CU will operate, from how their spells work to their melee combat to changes coming for each type of mage.

MMORPG veterans will know that Camelot Unchained, which was originally Kickstarted in 2013, has taken flak over the years thanks to delays, the founding of a second studio, the announcement of a second game using CU’s custom-built engine, and delayed refunds. The game entered its “beta one” phase back in 2018, with tests capable of putting 3000 humans and bots on the battlefield simultaneously. As of 2021, the studio says it is still paying refunds and is still working on both games, though it did not follow through on interviews with press.
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dinarian_

Camelot Unchained’s Mark Jacobs streams refund payments from inside the City State Entertainment office

This article is now officially over a year ago. Since then MJ has repeatedly been quoted as saying that CSE is still paying refunds, and since then we are all STILL waiting for the refunds from February of 2020 (the very first month of the post betrayal game refund revolt) to be completed. So, next stream when MJ makes the exact same BS claim that he has been making for a year now maybe just maybe we shouldn’t believe him and print it without explanation/context regarding that claim being a long term, ongoing lie.

For those keeping track, today is day 560 of me waiting for my refund, and I don’t even have the longest wait time.

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Narficus

I think before anyone speaks further about withholding refunds I would strongly suggest that they put a priority on anyone from AU, as I could hear their ACCC’s grin from across the planet.

Not everyone has Valve money and even they were brought to heel for us to have Steam Refunds.

MrEllis
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MrEllis

People seem invested…

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dinarian_

I legit laughed.

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mars omg

Someone needs to rechain the Camelot.

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Utakata

You know when the game your developing is gone off the rails when the only anyone can talk about in the comments is about refund issues. /sigh

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Narficus

It seems intentional, as if to distract people from discussing other topics and questions they should be asking. From what I’ve found, I highly doubt refunds are going to happen, so Mark’s going to milk the diversion and stoke those fires for as long as he can.

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Atokad2887

I say it literally every time CU related content is posted here. Im willing to bet whatever it takes that CU will in fact never release. Im confident enough over the years of watching and listening to MJ as he *just rewords his monthly emails* to slightly sound different each time. this…game…will…NEVER…release.

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dinarian_

Today is day 544 of waiting for a refund that is promised in CSE’s terms and conditions, and no surprise here, CSE still has NOT paid my refund or the rest of the folks refunds (some of whom have been waiting even longer than me.).

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Harbinger_Kyleran

Geez, if you are still waiting it means he hasn’t even made it to March…2020 yet.
:/

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dinarian_

To my knowledge MJ is not yet finished with refunds from February of 2020, the very first month of the refund apocalypse following MJ’s betrayal game announcement.

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Rndomuser

March 2020? LOL. Take a look below at screenshots, some people are waiting since 2018. The refund thing is really pretty much like a lottery now. No wonder people are jumping on every way that can help them get what was promised, even if it is something like GDPR report.

Relmharver
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Relmharver

I guess some people are countering what they see as MJ’s dishonesty and dirty tactics with some dirty tactics of their own. Not saying it’s the right thing to do, but it’s not surprising.

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Rndomuser

I don’t care if using GDPR report a “dirty tactics” or not but if it may help in some way to get some money (money that were explicitly promised to that person) back to person who uses it or even if it may serve as a warning to other companies to treat their customers as human beings and not as a disposable condoms – it’s a good tactics to use and I fully support people who will use it.

Bree Royce
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Bree Royce

Abusing GDPR claims will not help anyone get money at all. GDPR trolling does, however, waste the time of the people doing refunds. It not only demonstrates a lack of understanding of what the GDPR does but is a categorically stupid move for anyone who actually cares about getting refunds. It’s not a dirty tactic; it’s not even a tactic. Good god people.

Relmharver
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Relmharver

OK, if it’s not a tactic, it’s something meant to simply cause difficulty for CSE, maybe as a form of payback for a perceived wrong. I don’t agree that it’s the right thing to do. I think it’s wrong, now that I understand it. I’m saying I’m not surprised that some people are pissed off enough to do it.

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Rndomuser

it’s something meant to simply cause difficulty for CSE, maybe as a form of payback for a perceived wrong

Exactly. And as I said above, regardless of how other perceive it and even if the person may not get their money back – I still fully support people who do this for reason I stated above. Any company who treats their customers (even if they don’t want to be customers anymore) like worthless pieces of shit deserves any kind of (legal) punishment, especially if it may potentially serve as a warning to other companies to not behave in same way.

Bree Royce
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Bree Royce

I’m not surprised either, but it gives away the game when it comes to their motivations. Some of these folks who parachute in from Reddit once a month clearly stopped caring about refunds a long time ago and are just finding new ways (and places) to troll. And some of them are just absolute morons. I want people to get their refunds, and this new “strategy” is not going to help.

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dinarian_

Since you keep wanting to involve reddit it should be noted that to my knowledge nobody on any of the sub reddits about CU has posted about filing GDPR complaints beyond talking about it after it had been brought up elsewhere. It is my understanding this is drama that is apparently happening on the forums.

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Narficus

It all circles back, no matter how much anyone wants to handwave otherwise, to Mark Jacobs. Everyone here was at one time willing to trust the dude – the betrayal of trust has been on him.

Until he starts doing what he says he would for the money he took, while BSing people around for YEARS, then compulsory status information isn’t dirty in the least bit.

Mark knows how to fix the problem; he can do so instead of just causing more problem that seems only as smokescreen to distract from asking other questions and problems – like his attempt to trademark squat on “Realm vs Realm”.

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Harbinger_Kyleran

I suspect most of the older requests prior to late Feb 22020 haven’t been granted are because the requestor could not provide the required supporting information to prove their identity or purchase.

Mark claims there have been fraudulent attempts to claim refunds which were not deserved, also there was a tier or two where refunds did not apply.

Bree Royce
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Bree Royce

This is also my understanding. The refunds we’re concerned about here seem to be bottlenecked from 2020 onward. (I also have no idea why anyone would just take on faith that post from a one-comment anon account, copied here from a private forum from a new poster here in violation of the game’s NDA. It may well be legit, but nobody has any idea. Come on folks – I know you want to nail Jacobs, but “some anon guy on the internet” is not a useful source.)

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Rndomuser

because the requestor could not provide the required supporting information to prove their identity or purchase.

Your suspicion is not completely correct. If you will look at screenshots posted below again, you will see person trying to contact CSE multiple times to confirm that CSE has received all necessary information, with no replies from CSE. And as a person who has access to official forums, I can say that this is not the only instance of that, I have seen posts by other persons who have been waiting for long time and who complained that they did not get any responses from CSE when they tried to contact them to know whether they submitted enough information. Those posts are in official forums in Refund thread, which you can see for yourself if you are curious, but that would require you to pay money which you may never get back ;-)

TL;DR: for many (I would not be afraid to say for most) people the issue is not about “not being able to provide required information”, it’s all about “information being ignored by CSE”, as well as “requests about whether they submitted enough information being ignored by CSE”.

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OneLeggedAdventurer_

So the best possible scenario is the company is so incompetent they can’t handle refunds in a timeline less than 1.5 years.

The worst possible scenario is the CEO is so vindictive that he picks and chooses who he refunds based upon their loyalty to his company.

What a shit-show.

Relmharver
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Relmharver

I don’t think that the refund delays are because of incompetence, I think that they’re a result of a lack of funds. No reasonable head of a company would continue to take a public pounding on the refund issue, and further alienate an already very unhappy backer base as well as potential players, if they could afford to do otherwise. But then, I’m assuming that CSE is being run by reasonable people.

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Rndomuser

No reasonable head of a company would continue to take a public pounding on the refund issue

Oh, my friend, you greatly underestimate how some people can become obsessed with “idée fixe”, to the point of starting to behave irrationally and sacrificing EVERYTHING and everyone around them to see their idea become a reality. Of course, at this point we should probably stop calling such person “reasonable” ;-)

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Drunk3nShaman

This is day 544 of my hoping you never get a refund and never play this game out of spite.

Don’t crowd fund a game and then whine when it does not come out on time none of them do. At least there is still a chance you will get a refund or a game. Ask COE backers what they are getting. This game will launch, how good it will be remains to be seen but I for one am sick and tired of the shit-posting. You gave your money willingly, deal with it and move on.
I am a backer in full disclosure who got a refund from a higher tier to a lower tier a few years ago. but is willing to reinvest in that higher tier soon as it gets closer to launch.

Relmharver
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Relmharver

You’re missing a very important factor: Refunds were promised from the beginning, if requested. If they weren’t, and backers were demanding them after the fact, it would be a different story. Backers are simply holding Mark Jacobs and CSE accountable for a commitment they made. It’s absurd to be angry at the backers for something that CSE is doing wrong. That’s victim blaming, although I use the term “victim” lightly in this case, for lack of a better term.

Or, are you saying that CSE shouldn’t be held accountable, and that backers should just shut up and take it?

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Rndomuser

shit-posting

The only person who does this so far is you. You tell people “there is still a chance you will get a refund” even though you don’t know that and can’t legally promise this. You tell people “this game will launch” even though you don’t know that and can’t legally guarantee this. Then you say what essentially translates to “I hope you will never get what was explicitly promised to you”, wishing a negative thing to happen to a random person who has never done anything bad to you or never insulted your ethnicity/religious preference/gender or any similar insults.

I can’t expect anything from irrational fans of the game, but it would still be nice if you would at least try to put yourself into a place of someone like your parent, or your partner, where they would be explicitly promised to receive something, such as house they bought or a car, then a person who promised it to them would keep saying “you will probably get what I promised to you, someday… maybe… just keep waiting for indefinite amount of time” then that person would keep coming up with random excuses to delay providing what was explicitly promised instead of just either fulfilling what was explicitly promised or admitting that they can’t fulfill the promise anymore.

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draugris

The dude who considers GDPR abusing is accusing somebody of “shit posting” that’s f…ing OMEGALUL

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dinarian_

I did willingly pay CSE but CSE willingly had a refund policy as part of the deal we made when I handed over my money. The refund clause was in the terms and conditions I accepted at the time of purchase.

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Harbinger_Kyleran

The hypocrisy of your last paragraph is astounding.

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Bruno Brito

Refunds were promised. That’s all. People are holding MJ’s feet to the fire so that he acts consistent with the policy that he himself promised.

What you hope for is inconsequential, you’re powerless and irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

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draugris

Thank god there are at least a few reasonable people here.

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Narficus

^ This is what EA considers consumer codependency.

Remember who you are dealing with. Maybe you can explain why Mark tried to trademark squat “Realm vs Realm” when he, you, and I all know better that Mythic have been using it for two decades with DAoC.

After that, I hope there is no CU because the industry already got rid of Tim Langdell once already; as trademarks are a “defend or lose it” kind of property, the intent was absolutely clear.

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Simon Gördén

I got my refund back in 2017. To be exact, 20th january that year.

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Brent Goren

I hope everything works out for these guys and for the folks who backed them. I have such fond memories of DAoC and, specifically, Darkness Falls

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Fisty

/snore

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Rndomuser

The screenshots in this news update look hilarious. Especially this one:comment image

“Let’s attach random colorful things to a rock specifically to take a screenshot” ;-)

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Relmharver

Looks like the background to an aquarium simulator circa 2005.

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Rndomuser

LOL. I think aquarium simulators in 2005 looked much better, at least the one that came with Windows XP Plus:

I remember being impressed by how realistic it looked like back when it was released.

Relmharver
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Relmharver

Damn, you’re right.