Elder Scrolls’ road ahead is paved with virtual currency

Elder Scrolls Online game director Matt Firor has posted a lengthy Road Ahead update on the game’s website. He touches on loyalty rewards (including a special mount for players who have been around since the beginning), console release questions and transfer issues, and — oh goodie — the upcoming cash shop.

Yes, virtual currency is coming to Tamriel when the title switches business models in a couple of months, and Firor trots out the usual “customization and convenience” lines when discussing the stuff currently slated for the item mall. He also mentions ESO Plus, which is the membership level that will net you 1500 funny monies per month along with DLC packs and leveling bonuses.

[Source: Road Ahead – Feb.]
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Shadanwolf
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Shadanwolf

AVA has been totally ignored, with no specifics on any new AVA content.So….I cancelled my subscription and returned to DAOC.

samruck
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samruck

Whats I hate the most is games that try to give me every single pay model in one game.

B2P is not enough, they give you cash shop, fun! Oh it gets better! Optional sub! Did I mention about DLC? Damn, you guy are something.

malahide
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malahide

Slimneb

MrPoolaty
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MrPoolaty

Tbh I would gladly pay good money at this very moment to test the console beta… a I’m sure several thousands other would!!!

goettel
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goettel

Tandor Shadewalker Nah, I really didn’t like it.

EvanWeider
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EvanWeider

KiwiRed Valkyriez I bought the Imperial edition off the ESO website for $30 a couple months ago.

JohnT_NC
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JohnT_NC

Edany (AmberACurtis) Bannex19 Having just gotten my LM to level cap last weekend (finally got around to it), I’ve gotta say I didn’t need the cash shop for anything.  If you want to maximize your inventories (personal/shared/wardrobe/house), it can take quite a bit, but it’s definitely optional.  The game is still easy-mode.  The equipment you get from questing will keep you alive if you just want to stroll your way through.  My legendary staff is just level 85, and my legendary book is only level 75.  That’s pretty sad for a level 100 character, but I haven’t bothered trying to farm/craft something better.  If Turbine sticks to their plan that “starting with level 100 legendaries, they’ll be able to level with you”, then I’ll probably get around to finding something nicer.
In the end, it’s still wonderful to have the ability to explore Middle-earth.  It’s one of those games where you can get out of it what you put into it.  You can reach cap and fall way short of seeing all there is to see.  When it went F2P, it did change, and not in a positive way, but it just reminds me of the dialog from the movie:

Sam: It’s like in the great stories Mr. Frodo, the ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were, and sometimes you didn’t want to know the end because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end it’s only a passing thing this shadow, even darkness must pass. A new day will come, and when the sun shines it’ll shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you, that meant something even if you were too small to understand why. But I think Mr. Frodo, I do understand, I know now folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn’t. They kept going because they were holding on to something.
Frodo: What are we holding onto, Sam?
Sam: That there’s some good in the world, Mr. Frodo, and it’s worth fighting for.

In terms of LotRO, there’s definitely some good in the world, and it’s worth playing for.

Crow God
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Crow God

As long as they don’t go overboard on what they put behind paywalls, and don’t put gear (OP or otherwise) behind said paywalls.

mrnastybutler
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mrnastybutler

Been saying this game would be better off as a B2P with  a good cash store.  I wish them success in the transition.

Neo_Wolf
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Neo_Wolf

wild_abyss Grimfargo for some maybe, for me I kind of see it this way.  Before it was paying for my crowns per month and giving me temporary access to content (unless I bought it previously).  And as 1 crown is about 1 £ then 1500 crowns per month for a £9 subscription means i’m getting £6 of free crowns every month from my sub.  So it is giving something.

Another angle to consider that many overlook is if there are queues to play then subscribers get preference.  So no wait times too.

cyanhide
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cyanhide

Tandor Shadewalker true that, funny how we are always talking about the ever changing game industry, and how its heading downwards. 

I payed for this game, and I was sickened by the people commenting on the game who hadn’t even played it or played it for a long time, and one person on the internet may not mean much but when a whole comment section is bashing the game it effects the game physically. 

Everyone who will be playing now will be saying what an amazing game it has become, when in fact it has been for quite some time. And then they can start nagging over the item mall. And move on. 

And yes “entitlement age ” is the core of this problem.

NobleNerd
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NobleNerd

Started playing the new patch in PTS today and the first installment of the Justice System is shaping up nicely. I have a few concerns, but I have only put in about an hour of play focusing on it right now.

I have little concerns with the conversion to P2P and the major one being how the store works in the game. I really do not want a window popping up in my face at launch or every 15 min like in some other games.

Zeneren (mateuszpachnik)
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Zeneren (mateuszpachnik)

For me it is a shame they did not endure untill they flesh out this
justice system and the console version before the conversion.

If
they did that i am sure their sub number would jump up exponentially
IMO based on what i’ve heard from my friends playing the game with me on
launch most of ’em said exactly the same, game needs polish, few tweaks
and justice sys to be worth the sub.
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I was also
waiting for 1.6 so that i can re-sub in an instant because i liked the
base of ESO, now i will get, the most despised by me, an in game shop
with things that i was always happy and willing to hunt within the p2p
game and be rewarded by doing so when i get them and less focus on
adding new stuff w/o the need to pay extra for normal patched content,
now they will be called DLCs.

IMO lack of patience
and lack of faith in their own product will not serve well, as it could
with sub model, in the longer term but as i said it is only IMO I
predict also less juicy updates and more purely cash shop updates
(obvious) within the game, lesser focus on new content will make the
game stale IMO and that’s a given, still time will verify this better
then me probably so we will just have to wait and see.

Tandor Shadewalker
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Tandor Shadewalker

cyanhide That simply underlines what I have been saying about people’s animosity towards ESO for ages. It’s not that they didn’t like the game, they just wanted to play it for nothing.

cyanhide
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cyanhide

Typically games these days, when it has a P2P the game was terrible and whatnot. Now its free and all of a sudden people will play it. Mixed feelings. 
Also, glad to see Massively back!

wild_abyss
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wild_abyss

Grimfargo I would guess that it doesn’t feel like it has much value now. For instance, I sub to LoTRO because I don’t want to mess around with all those quest packs but ESO is still young enough that there is not much (any?) difference in content access immediately following the conversion.

Neo_Wolf
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Neo_Wolf

Grimfargo Only downside to keeping my sub I can see is that there will not be any more loyalty rewards for staying subbed once it goes F2P  (i.e the dwemer sphere, spider etc…) although they are putting out two more for those who were subbed all long before that happens, which I thought was a nice gesture.

Edany (AmberACurtis)
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Edany (AmberACurtis)

Bannex19 From my understanding – LOTRO started out with good intentions, but now you can’t move 10 steps without the reminder of or need for a cash shop to get anywhere or do anything in that game.

SabinSacaleanu
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SabinSacaleanu

NomadMorlock UtopianWarrior Actually the non subscribers will earn EXP as fast as they are now(100%), subscribers will earn 10% more. In other words, it’s not non-subs that will earn less EXP, it’s subscriber who will earn more.

Neo_Wolf
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Neo_Wolf

A bit gutted the Crown Store won’t have services at launch (i.e Extra Character Slots etc..) but hopefuly they will sort that asap.  I was hoping I’d finally be able to get a Bosmer and Khajit to my company of adventurers.

Grimfargo
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Grimfargo

Can you explain that to me?
For me it has a big value. 1500 crown per month, every content update for free, Sounds good to me.

UtopianWarrior
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UtopianWarrior

NomadMorlock UtopianWarrior Are you sure? The article on their website says “…we’re not adjusting the base game—it will be exactly the same game, with the same leveling pace, experience point gain, user interface, etc.”
I know subs get 10% bonus XP/gold, but can’t find a mention of reduced gain for non-subbers.

ArtemisiaWS
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ArtemisiaWS

EatCandy ArtemisiaWS You don’t owe them anything to play what you bought. All the content you bought will always be there for you even if you pay absolutely nothing. If you want more you have to pay. At least you don’t owe them something for every minute you pay, but just for buying content packs. You get what you paid for, I don’t see how you are treated like you still owe them something. For sure if I buy a bycicle I get to keep that, but if in time I also wanna buy a bottle-holder or something to add to what I bought I need to pay more for it. I don’t go to the vendor and tell him “I already gave you money for the bycicle, all the future upgrades for it you should give me free forever!!”

ArtemisiaWS
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ArtemisiaWS

Kayweg Eliandal A thing about AA, apart from Trion’s terrible business model, is it has a very bad economy system which seems to favour bots and gold sellers a lot. I’m not sure how much that could apply to TESO, bad decisions play a big part but also the structure of the game does.

ArtemisiaWS
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ArtemisiaWS

KiwiRed Valkyriez You must check all arund for digital keys, i got mine for 19euro and there’s been much cheaper too. Official store price is still the same instead.

KiwiRed
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KiwiRed

Valkyriez I have trouble finding boxed copies at all down here – they’ve been taken off the shelves, pending the re-launch. And digital copies are still US$60+

pcgneurotic
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pcgneurotic

Valkyriez Sorry man, I had no idea. I thought it was still X 50-60.

Kayweg
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Kayweg

Eliandal I’m not usually one to be bothered with what other people spend their money on either. Since ArcheAge my take on cash shops has slightly changed though.
That cash shop had a big impact on the ingame economy, to a degree where it genuinely affected my game play.
Some important items became virtually unaffordable. Try and mention “Thunderstuck Logs” to any current or former AA player.
Classic example of a “cash shop gone wrong”, it no longer was just an option for people with less time, but almost essential for everyone….even people with plenty of time and the will to grind it out.
I am not saying that ESO is similar to that in any way, in fact i don’t expect it to be anything like that.
Besides that, ESO and AA are very different beasts altogether.
My post may not have been as clear as i thought when i referred to the ESO cash shop. 
What i meant by “will have to wait and see” was, that i will have to wait and see, if the cash shop offers a more convenient (and possibly cheaper) alternative to subscribing….not if i will revisit ESO or not.

Valkyriez
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Valkyriez

You can get it for less then $20 with a months sub, making the game practically free. How much cheaper do you want it?

NomadMorlock
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NomadMorlock

UtopianWarrior Actually by my understanding they are.  Current subscribers earn xp at a certain rate.  If they continue to subscribe this will be the same rate they earn xp.  That means non subscribers will be earning 10% less as the subscription is said to give a 10% bonus.

cnyranger
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cnyranger

The subscription doesn’t seem to have much value to me.

jbrinks
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jbrinks

I’m excited to give it another run. I enjoy the fantasy MMO experience but it really wasn’t worth the price tag.

DavidBrown2
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DavidBrown2

A Dad Supreme I am thinking the same thing.  Lasted about 2 or 3 months the first time.

Ironweakness
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Ironweakness

I agree, I cringe whenever I hear someone complain they aren’t getting something new that required a lot of development time for free. It’s a complex relationship with representatives on both sides making bad choices that have lead to the current sampling of shady cash shops and whiny free loaders but there are also plenty of examples of both games and players trying to figure this new climate out and get it right. I don’t think going back to a sub only model is the right answer, I think we as players do need to hold companies to higher standards of what we will and will not tolerate and do so with our wallets.

squidgod2000
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squidgod2000

The game has steadily improved over the past year. Probably one of the best themeparks out there right now.

A Dad Supreme
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A Dad Supreme

Guess I’ll pop back in and see how things changed since 45 days after launch (about as long as I lasted).
No sub though… this is their opportunity to show me what they’ve done and to see what they want me to pay for. I’ll give it a good scrubbing over (roll a few characters, try out the stealing stuff) and then make a decision in two months or so.
They took their time fixing things, I’ll take my time deciding if I want to sub or not.

Zulika_Mi_Nam
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Zulika_Mi_Nam

I still have a 60 day time card sitting on my desk from June.  I’ll be ducking back in to see what is going on.
I had issues with the ESO team patching on a Friday breaking major things and not saying/doing anything, I mean going completely dark until Monday at which time they would start gathering data for a patch to go out the following Monday.  That type of response is not worth my time even if I am not paying a sub.  I hope that process has changed.
The people I have interfaced with in customer service have been great, but their tools (forums, ticketing system) are the worst I have ever seen in any business.

Zulika_Mi_Nam
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Zulika_Mi_Nam

solipsis I think if differs for every site actually. I have tried to use my old Massively login on other Livefyre comment sites and it never worked.

solipsis
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solipsis

solipsis Seems like the database for Livefyre at Joystiq is different. I tried to recover my password and it won’t recognize my email. Oh well. I’m good with my new nick. Now I can go back to trolling.

SallyBowls1
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SallyBowls1

Ironweakness /salute +1

SallyBowls1
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SallyBowls1

Caec It is less strain on my consistency since I do *not* consider MMOs as games.

Spending money should not benefit you in a game; but then neither should dailies or clearing the last tier or length of time subscribed or all the other ways game companies want to benefit the persistence. 

Also, I would much rather have a game that asks for $3 than one that asks me to run 13 Golden Lotus dailes a day for two months.

ArtemisiaWS
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ArtemisiaWS

Ironweakness About DLCs it seems to me they’re gong in about the same direction as TSW did. But we’ll have to see to know exactly.

JonBuck
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JonBuck

Ironweakness  Somewhere there’s a middle ground between potential players demanding everything for free, and being nickel-and-dimed for everything in a cash shop with this kind of model. Fortunately we have a multitude of variants to choose from and use as examples. Gazillion for Marvel Heroes, or EA for SWTOR? GW2, STO, LOTRO…
Also, IMO, you can’t put the whole ethical dilemma on the developers. While the FTP model does not ask a player to spend money outright, if you really do enjoy the game it’s ethical for the player to give payment for that enjoyment.

Ironweakness
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Ironweakness

It is covered, they have clearly stated several times that you get the entire game as is through patch 1.6. That’s going to include all the existing character slots and bag slots. This isn’t F2P, it’s B2P. They aren’t gimping the game and repackaging it (a la SWTOR), the game subscribers have been playing for a year is the game B2P people will get when they officially switch over, but with all the improvements and fixes they’ve made so far.

Tandor Shadewalker
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Tandor Shadewalker

solipsis I used to use a Yahoo account but that doesn’t seem to be an option here, so had to create a Livefyre account as I don’t do facetwit.

BobDobalina
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BobDobalina

solipsis I always used by Facebook account with Livefyre and they worked with both sites.

pcgneurotic
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pcgneurotic

Might be cheeky of me, but if they knock a bit off the box price when it transitions, I’ll definitely check it out.

Eliandal
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Eliandal

Kayweg  I as well will definitely try it again once it converts.  It wasn’t that I didn’t enjoy the game – I did – however my gaming budget is set – and this was the least played of my sub games and so it ended up being the one cut.

I’ve never been one to care about what’s in a cash shop though.  I play games my way and could care less what someone else does or doesn’t have, if they paid money for it, or time (and on THAT note – why is it somehow acceptable for someone who has more time than money to have a marked advantage over others, yet those who have more money than time are taking advantage of PTW systems :D  Sorry – just a little OT thought I have been returning too sisnce cash shops were put in games!)

pcgneurotic
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pcgneurotic

solipsis I’m pretty sure I’m using my old mass.com one, so to speak.

Ironweakness
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Ironweakness

They could develop a causal friendly game and sell inconvenience to the hardcore.

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