The Daily Grind: Do you like low-stress MMO classes?

In my mind, there are two types of MMO classes. There are ones that require a lot of hands-on skill, positional maneuvering, and careful attention to rotations and reactions. Then there the ones where you kind of just have to slam your hand down on the keyboard somewhere in the vicinity of the number keys to win.

I have played both types of classes, but I won’t deny that there’s a strong appeal for low-stress MMO classes. Sometimes I just want to sit back and pew-pew things with a three-button rotation without worrying about anything else. Sure, I know that this setup makes these classes very popular, and so I am doing nothing special to make myself stand out or to challenge myself, but brain-dead gaming has its appeal, especially after a long day.

Do you like low-stress MMO classes? Which one is your favorite?

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Weilan

I thought I did. I made a Warden in ESO and now I’m bored out of my head with it.

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Ben Stone

I like both, but if a class is complex and stressful I expect there to be payoff for that.

Nothing causes FOTM syndrome like low effort high reward classes.

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Dug From The Earth

Yes, I do

Entertainment isnt supposed to be stressful

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veldara

Oh absolutely, I’ve always found myself playing them a lot in games I’ve played and some titles which I still to this day play. I find them fun and their ease of use lets me really appreciate the scenery and not be so focused on timers, actionbars, and other ui management. It’s like dual pistol Deadeye in GW2, I can relax and just blast things feeling like a gunslinger while chatting with friends on discord. Same with WoW, many considered me insane that every alt I ever made was a Hunter, I have hunters of every race in the game because they were so fun to play.

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Celestia

The only thing that stresses me out is playing a game with action combat.

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Toy Clown

I gravitate toward low-stress classes. My hands and wrists are wrecked after playing computer games the last 20 years, and the less I have to move, bounce around, and mash buttons, the happier my gaming is.

I think even if I didn’t have these associated health problems, I’d prefer less spaz gameplay. I miss playing games where tactics and player skill are paramount over who has the spazier hand combos!

Besides, combat is just a means to an end as I journey toward achievements, collections and exploring.

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ghostlight

I’m reminded of what Sid Meier said years ago about his Civilization series……”It’s not about eye-hand coordination and reflexes, but rather strategy, long-term planning, and resource management.”

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Oleg Chebeneev

I hate them. I love classes that have high skill cap, lots of abilities to click, that take time to learn and even more to master.
Funny, but WoW’s hunter is my favourite class out of any MMO. And at least in PvP it never was low-stress type. Well yeah, you can play it dumb clicking 3 buttons with a mouse, but then any class in any MMO can be “low-stress” if you play like that.

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Dug From The Earth

Comparatively, even at its most skillful best, WoW’s hunter class is not a “lots of abilities to click” class (especially to classes in other mmo’s. Swtor and LoTRo say hello)

Its short comings and balance issues in PvP also dont make it a complex class, just a poorly balanced for PvP class.

Hard and Complex dont have to be one in the same. Its hard to win in PvP with a Hunter, but not because its a complex class. Thats not to say that someone cant take their skill, and a poorly balanced class in PvP, and work wonders with it.

And yes, I play hunter, ever since beta. Im not ashamed that its a lower on the complexity tree at all, because its enjoyable and non-stressful to play. I dont have to worry about nearly as much as I do with other classes, and I can accomplish more with less effort. I dont have solve for X and Y in a multiquadratic amalgalus refraction statement to enjoy playing hunter… I just have to have fun. Which I do.

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Oleg Chebeneev

Everything you said tells that you’re far from a good hunter and played it on a very basic level. Its like box. You can hit punchball in kindergarden and think that its not that hard to box. Or you can compete on big stage for world title. Its different things entirely.

As for not many abilities. I had over 50 abilities hotkeyed on my hunter in Cata. Thats AFTER ability pruning so in WoTLK it was more.

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Dug From The Earth

Maybe people will take your opinion to have some value when you can voice it without feeling the need to insult someone who feels differently.

All of my comments were about the class, not you, or your ability to play said class. In fact, I even stated “Thats not to say that someone cant take their skill, and a poorly balanced class in PvP, and work wonders with it.” which is a complement to anyone who actually does this, which could include you.

And if anyone cares to look this up on their own:

https://www.mmo-champion.com/content/1118-Hunter-Cataclysm

Select Marksmanship for all tabs.

Add up all the abilities that arent passive or things you cant slot on your hotbar (or keybind)

Id be amazed if anyone gets to 50, let alone “over 50”

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Oleg Chebeneev

Wasnt an insult really. Most people play classes on basic level. But I dont think you can judge any class complexity until you compete at high rating of arenas or excel in PvP.

As for over 50 keybinds. Here is screenshot of my hunter in Cata. You can count hotkeys, an yes, pet hotkeys count too.

View post on imgur.com

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Dug From The Earth

“you’re far from a good hunter”

I dont know how that could be seen by ANYONE as anything other than a insult.

That aside…. looking at your screenshot, lets point out a few things.

Total abilities on hotbars (including clickable pet ones): 57

1. Four of the pet abilites are on autocast, which means you arent really managing or clicking these.
2. At least Two of the keybinds are for your mounts, IE not hunter abilities
3. Three of the slots are taken up by First aid, your health pot, and a warlock health stone. Not hunter abilities that add to the class “complexity”. Not even unique to hunters.
4. I count a total of 8 macro’s buttons you have set up. Macros, by their nature, are designed to REDUCE complexity. Most of the time 1 macro button can remove the need for 2 or more OTHER ability buttons. IE: You can have one button thats casts Hunters Mark, casts Misdirect on your pet, and tells your pet to attack your target.

Thats 17 buttons that dont count. (and it looks like you have mend pet on the bar twice)

Dropping the total number of buttons you manage “because its a hunter” to 40.

Ironically, your focus on “Hunter complexity in PvP” actually works against the screenshot even more, as several of those hotbar abilties have ZERO use in pvp. Abilities like:

– Tame Beast
– Beast Lore
– Tranq Shot
– Misdirect

That means in PvP, it brings the number of HUNTER abilities slotted that you have to use, down to under 40.

36 is still more abilities than people have fingers to press, but hunter wasnt unique in this aspect, as ALL classes had around this many, some of which were used more often than many of the hunter abilities like “Tran Shot” and “Beast Lore”

Again, Im not saying you didnt play Hunter like a pro. Not even insinuating that.

Im simply saying that it wasnt a complex class to play.

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Oleg Chebeneev

And I repeat that its not a complex class to play at beginner level. At its full potential it was a complex class (when I played it from TBC up to MoP). There are just too many things that distant decent hunters from great hunters

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Dug From The Earth

The only thing that separates decent hunters from great hunters, is player skill.

Its nothing to do with class complexity.

Its not hard to be good on a hunter, due to how non-complex it is to play. A great player however, can take a simple thing, and do amazing things with it.

This really shouldnt bother you. Its basically saying:

“Hunter is a simple class, that you were able to to amazing with because you were skilled enough to push it beyond its simple limitations”

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Oleg Chebeneev

And what you think allows skillful players to separate themselves from bad players? Class mechanics. The more depth class has, the more possibilities there are for player to shine.

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Dug From The Earth

Im getting the feeling that you just dont want to believe you could enjoy a simplistic class, even if your skill allowed you to push it beyond its limits.

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Oleg Chebeneev

No, I just disagree with your original statement that hunters were never a complex class in any WoW era

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Dug From The Earth

I had to look back to see where on earth you could possibly have construed “never a complex class in any WoW era” from anything i said (since I never said those words) and the only thing I can link it to is where im backing my “hunter knowledge” by saying “Ive played Hunter, ever since beta”

Needless to say, thats stretching it….

So, let me try to smooth out the rough edges here.

“WoW hunter has never been a complex class, however, its significantly more simplistic now, than it was in earlier days.”

but then, you could technically say that for any aspect of WoW these days. (the part about it being more simple now)

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Oleg Chebeneev

“Im simply saying that it wasnt a complex class to play”.
I’ve read this as “it was never”.

Since you objected on “any wow era thing”, does it mean you think the class was complex at some time before?

Also I dont know hunter’s state atm, since I dont play official WoW servers since MoP

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Dug From The Earth

Your quote of mine wasnt from my original post as you stated:

“No, I just disagree with your original statement that hunters were never a complex class in any WoW era”

The quote of mine “it wasnt a complex class” was from several replies of mine down that chain… where the past tense of “it wasnt” was in reference to supporting a prior post where I said things from a present tense.

I know this thread has gotten a bit long, so ill give you the benefit of the doubt here that things just started getting confusing. If thats not it, your shovel sure is getting a lot of use today.

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xpsync

I’m reading both, people whom love challenging classes, and people whom love low stress classes.

I totally get the “my job is stressful” and you want to escape into your mmo. So you want stress free not be challenged. I get that, and understand that.

We all probably have stressful jobs to a degree, but what i find is that “challenge” is the only true escape.

If the class is easy/low stress i will still think about crap outside the game, that’s not a real escape, easy = boring (to a degree) and the mind can still wander.

Challenging on the other hand is the only true escape, as you become so engrossed into what you are doing, challenge has no room for daydreamers, and that’s all you think about, how well you are playing and the game world. Nirvana.

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Castagere Shaikura

The older i get the more i like stress free classes. I just don’t play as much as i used to so i need to get in and get out and feel like i’ve done something.

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Yuge McBigly

Blue Line Hunters in LOTRO are pretty low stress, as long as you know where your Barrage key is…