Blizzard’s legal threat shuts down WoW emulator Nostalrius

Another World of Warcraft emulator bites the dust this week. Year-old “Progressive Vanilla” WoW emu Nostalrius announced on its official website that pursuant to a recent legal complaint from Blizzard, it will be shutting down its server, rendering 800,000 accounts and 150,000 active players homeless. The official site says,

“Yesterday, we received a letter of formal notice from US and french lawyers, acting on behalf of Blizzard Entertainment, preparing to stand trial against our hosting company OVH and ourselves in less than a week now. This means the de facto end of Nostalrius under its current form.”

The server admins say they will shut down the server on April 10th, and while they have no specific “plan for the future,” they do say they will make available the source code to other players to help them set up their own emu. They’ve also started a petition to ask that Blizzard’s Mike Morhaime allow their server in the absence of official legacy servers. “It won’t bring Nostalrius back,” they write, “but it is a way to express ourselves as a community.”

Given how notorious and persistent Blizzard is about shutting down illegal emus for its live games, we suspect that’s true.

Source: Nostalrius site. Thanks, LazyLex, Ian, and Boom.
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SomniumWintersun
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Estranged RicharddeLeonIII jsmooth1 False.
“The Combine” & “The Sleeper”
SERVER FEATURES:
2 normal, non-pvp servers (no transfer servers) titled “The Combine” & “The Sleeper” in-gameEach expansion will be unlocked by the progress of the players and the content they completeNew servers for past players to return to and re-experience a world where talented and skilled players reign supremeNew players can experience all of EverQuest’s original content without having to catch up on years of expansionsRelive the evolution of one of the most successful MMORPGs in historySERVERS LAUNCH:
Wednesday, June 28, 2006

greywolfe_joystiq
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Jerichofr 
i, too, hated world pvp, but…
…if they’d just made it so innocent bystanders could quest and the like, i might have liked it more.
i had a friend who refused to roll on a pve server and every session with him was hell.

greywolfe_joystiq
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Jerichofr 
i find it amusing in your screenshot that they still gave you one day play time credit.  ;)
[i remember those days.  i still have them in my history, too :P]

greywolfe_joystiq
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Xijit 
i have unsubbed.
and since this particular bit of news [and other related news for hearthstone] will stay unsubbed and not support blizzard from this point forward.  they have fallen too far, in my humble opinion.
but…
…for that last little bit, when the servers are still live, i absolutely have plans.  i have a bunch of noggenfogger elixir that i will drink.  i have some /very/ old gear from way back when [dungeon set one, which you can’t get anymore at all, in the game.]
my plan will be to go and pay my final respects to cairne bloodhoof, to go and spit at silly garrosh and then to do all the old raids one last time.  if there’s a lot of warning, i will do one an evening.
on the very last night, i will go to the hill opposite thunder bluff – my thinking spot for years – and i will sit and wait out the last minutes of my home server’s life there.
if i can manage it and there’s a timer letting us know when the final shut down happens, i will absolutely /salute.
to all my friends.
to all the raids.
to all the fun dungeon runs.
to the game.

but not to blizzard.  they have permanently lost my faith in them as a company.

greywolfe_joystiq
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Karinshastha 
that deal is…a little shady, for sure.
but it’s better than no deal at all.

greywolfe_joystiq
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greywolfe_joystiq

Styopa 
this is an answer i’ve always found somewhat hilarious.
so, you’re willing to tell me – to my face – that you’re a multi-million-dollar company.  that you have coded some “security” into your modern game, now [with two factor authentication and everything] – that you’ve solved some of the riddle of keeping people subscribed through real money transfers through the wow token and…
…you somehow didn’t back up your code!?
pull the other one.
it has bells.

greywolfe_joystiq
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BritoBruno Estranged 
wow.
your retort here basically boils down to:  “lol, i’m right and you’re all wrong.”
that’s…not a very good argument, i’m afraid.
people have differing opinions to you on the subject.  that is all.  there is no need to be nasty about the issue.

greywolfe_joystiq
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BritoBruno Elven_Seraph Radfist 
you keep making this suggestion that it’s “bad” for legacy servers to exist.
i think the contrary is at least somewhat true, consider:
if blizzard set up legacy servers and charged a subscription fee for those servers then…
…the subscription money doesn’t go anywhere.  it goes into the game.
whether this is “live” or “old content” doesn’t matter.  the game is getting the money and that’s what matters most to blizzard [despite their claims of wanting to keep the game “fresh” and “always evolving.”  remember.  kotick as at the helm of this mess. kotick only cares about himself and money.]

greywolfe_joystiq
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BritoBruno 
to be fair:
[and you yourself have stated this.]
“how i feel about blizzard’s game is subjective.”
i don’t like wod.  i didn’t like the story.  i certainly didn’t like the garrisons.  i didn’t like the raids.
to me, wod exemplifies world of warcraft at it’s very worst.

do i think vanilla was “a better game?”  in some respects, no.  of course not.  there were lots of problems with it – it was a buggy mess, it was lacking features modern mmo players take for granted [like maps in dungeons, for example] and so on and so forth, but by contrast with wod – which i find exceedingly dull, vanilla was a world.  a world with varied surprises.  the first time i saw doom lord kazzak, i fled.  he was big and i was little and that could only mean trouble.  or the first time i accidentally stumbled across a world dragon.  boom!  dead.

so, vanilla does things in a way that wod could/will never do.  so from that perspective, for me, wod is “a pale imitation of a game i liked a great deal.”

from that perspective, yes, absolutely, wod is a failure.  and by extension, blizzard are “a failure for going down that path.”

they’re literally out of touch with at least /some/ of their community [witness the weird, not altogether pleasant route they took with flying in wod.] – if they’re out of touch with their “current subscribers” then…well, they are /definitely/ out of touch with folks who want an older version of the game back [as is witnessed by their responses to classic servers.]

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wjowski Bluetouchpaper BritoBruno Kass40 
really?
i played on retail, but i wouldn’t mind playing on a vanilla server, because vanilla was a game i rather enjoyed.
i believe i’m quite a reasonable human being.
sorry to have to burst your bubble.

greywolfe_joystiq
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well, i think that’s it for me and blizzard.
when standard/wild
roll around for hearthstone and my current pet project mage hits sixty,
i’m out of their games for good.  i’ve sort of been hanging around and
playing off and on, but blizzard’s business sense is getting the better
of the way they feel about their actual player base – [though we knew
that was coming:  witness the flying fiasco during warlords of draenor] –
means that they don’t really care about their players.  and that means
that i don’t care about them.
it’s all been more-or-less downhill since diablo iii.
well done, blizzard.

Wyatt17
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wjowski JakeBoller “Stealing” gtfo with that shit lmao

Wyatt17
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DelusionalRogue borghive You’re a dumbass. That’s all that I have to say lmfao.

mourasaint
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mourasaint

You just don’t get it

Cosmic Cleric
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RicharddeLeonIII Michael18 The problem with what you said though is that all of the art assets are on the client side, on the discs that we customers have already paid for to access, so its not the server coders guys problem if the art assets are not being used “correctly” or not, its the customer who’s using the client to attach to a server that is not Blizzard’s.  What we used to call “fair use” not so long ago.

EvilCheshire
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distaste Dreema Yep, their is zero reason for them to do that except their mad people don’t want their live version.

EvilCheshire
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Oleg Chebeneev ItsLorgarn Tamanous I would, my spouse would.

EvilCheshire
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EvilCheshire

Rohirrim Outstanding

EvilCheshire
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EvilCheshire

JakeBoller Thanks for the link going to check it out now

EvilCheshire
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EvilCheshire

BritoBruno Rohirrim So why don’t they release a Vanilla or BC server we can give them money for? The only logical reason I can think of is their pride, because they could simply sub-contract the team running Nos, give them there blessing and no resources spent.

EvilCheshire
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borghive LMAO that’s about right

Ghostmourn
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Michael18 I agree but they wont allow discussion of this on the WOW forums so I cant imagine that’s the case, they are near instant-deleting any posts regarding these developments or the demand for a vanilla server.

RicharddeLeonIII
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Michael18 Maybe if the emu’s used entirely new art assets and lore it would be ok, but the fact they used Blizzard’s copyrighted material makes Nost totally in the wrong regardless if it’s a version Blizzard is ‘no longer selling’.  All of these vanilla servers could probably get around Blizzard going after them if they made their own entire world even if they used WoW’s actual game system’s code, at least ethically if not legally imho.

anarres
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ashfyn RicharddeLeonIII Wandris They don’t risk losing their copyright. That IP thing that could be indeed lost if not protected is trademark. They’re threatening for copyright, not trademark, and they absolutely don’t “have to”.

anarres
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anarres

Greaterdivinity Wandris No, they’re not “legally obligated” to fight potential infringement to keep their copyright over the work. You’re confusing copyright and trademark.

Radfist
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BritoBruno Elven_Seraph Radfist Noone said it was dying, although it is in decline. The players who want legacy servers are no longer playing the current game and have no real interest in doing so. They might as well make money off the people playing these emulators.  Most would transfer to official classic servers for the sake of character security.

Bonnenuit
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Rohirrim breetoplay

You’re… actually serious, aren’t you?

#honestlybaffledatpeoplesometimes

Sythalin
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Sythalin

Still here, not sorry to disappoint. You still didn’t answer the question, but I applaud your attempt ato trying to be a “badass”. Now, Ill ask again – what did Nost players steal. If you’re going to accuse people of theft you should really do the “human” thing and explain.

wjowski
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Sythalin wjowski JakeBoller 
 Oh look, the shitpost generator masquerading as a human heing man.  Get lost.

Sythalin
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Sythalin

wjowski JakeBoller Oh I love it when you post.  It’s always highly entertaining, especially when you try to be “holier than thou”.

I played on Nost.  Please, enlighten me on what I have “stolen”.

Sythalin
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BritoBruno So…. I’m assuming you’re going to get to a point of ranting about something that people are not already aware of?
Emu players are not “in the wrong” legally, so your entire rant is misdirected.  See my post to Bree below for details.
Stating their reason of playing on an emu is due to lack of availability from the company and requesting a legit one is not “hypocrisy”.  I, for one, hate KotiBlizz as a COMPANY.  They’ve become nothing but greed mongers today.  But if they released a legacy server, you’re damned right I’d most likely pay to play on it.  Because I enjoy the PRODUCT.
In short, hating a COMPANY =/= hating a PRODUCT.
I hope you were prepared to “be corrected/disagreed upon”.
#triggerBritoBruno

Michael18
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For me, the only acceptable reason for doing this is if Blizzard wanted to open up official vanilla servers. But I can’t imagine this to be the case.

If today’s WoW is a good or bad game is subjective, but I think everyone will agree that today’s WoW is a very different game than vanilla WoW. That’s why I never had a bad conscience playing on private wow vanilla servers. I never got anything for free that Blizzard wanted to sell to me. For me it’s either playing vanilla WoW (maybe TBC or WotLK) or no WoW at all. Actually, playing on a classic server would even increase the probability that I am becoming curious to see what a newly released expansion is like and buy it and hop in for a month on live servers.

DelusionalRogue
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borghive HAHAHA! Those thieves lost their illegal server and all of the hours they put into it!

Gankdolf
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Gankdolf

Just seems silly .. Blizzard… why not just spin up a vanilla WoW server thats basically the same as Nostalrius and then ask all those people to start on that server even if they have to stsrt fresh and pay the sub fee … More $$ for Blizzard not as much bad will

JakeBoller
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wjowski JakeBoller It is our responsibility to fight against unjust laws.

Jack Pipsam
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Rohirrim breetoplay 
“Ipayed and bought vanilla wow and cannot play it anymore…isnt this also illegal?”
You brought a licence to play World of Warcraft, you can still play World of Warcraft on that same account.
Of course that isn’t illegal. Just because you don’t personally like the direction WoW went in doesn’t mean Blizzard did a legal wrong on you.
MMOs change, buying an MMO and then complaining that it changed is strange to me. That is half the point of MMOs.

wjowski
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Bluetouchpaper BritoBruno Kass40 
 There’s such a thing as customers so toxic they’re not worth dealing with.  The average Vanilla knob-slobberer fits that category quite nicely.

wjowski
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JakeBoller 
 Blizzard doesn’t owe you anything.  Stop stealing.

wjowski
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Rohirrim BritoBruno 
 Stealing is pretty much almost universally frowned upon actually.

ItsLorgarn
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BritoBruno Wouldn’t be an issue if they gave the players access to both retail and legacy under the same, current subscription model, $15/month.
Having two seperate subs would be stupid, completely unecessary and I’m certain that if legacy ever was on the table having two seperate subs wouldn’t even be part of the discussion. It just doesn’t make sense. (In my opinion)
I don’t think that would be such an issue. If they want fixed and improvements? Well guess what, they have access to retail which has 10-something years of development and improvements behind it. They should make their players aware that everyone needs to take legacy as it is, otherwise it wouldn’t exactly be legacy now would it?

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dynaform That’s why I said apparently slim. I dunno any past or present WoW player who thinks the King acquisition was good for MMO players. Blizz plainly doesn’t care about squeezing every last penny out of WoW; it’s mentally moved on, and it isn’t pushing out content or expansions any faster now that it’s lost half its playerbase. In that light, it’s even easier to see why paying WoW players don’t want to see the existing resources split, to their mind, needlessly, and you can also see why Blizzard won’t do it either.

borghive
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borghive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR20QH5UHoM this made me laugh so hard lol!

BritoBruno
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BritoBruno

ManastuUtakata Elf_Butts Only Schlag has the beautiful mind to pull something like this outta…
I’m not going there.

BritoBruno
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Bullnoxx BritoBruno Bluetouchpaper ItsLorgarn plynky12 I’ll agree that blizzard stance changed.
That being said, it’s not killing anything. At least, not now.
Let’s see with Legion. If they get back at least to the 9million buyers with the xpac sales, then WoW is thriving yet.
If it plunders, then it’s dying and i concede.
That being said, i HIGHLY doubt it’ll fail.

ManastuUtakata
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Elf_Butts 
A symphony of flatulence? /eww
(I also have a suspicious feeling that schlag is behind this. No pun intended.)

BritoBruno
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ManastuUtakata Rohirrim breetoplay Pepperzine I would say they stated:
“We get that some of you thinks wow is a pile of crap now. But we prefer to think your opinion sucks and we don’t care what you think. To us, is decent, and it’ll keep evolving. Deal with it or go back to your private servers…oh, wait! HAHAHA! ”
That was fun.

BritoBruno
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ManastuUtakata breetoplay Rohirrim Karl brings that nihilist charm to the discussion, making me feel slightly useless within my human condition, but at the same time, placating the bestial need of rationale within my conscience.
In other words: I like his crap, lel :v

BritoBruno
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dynaform breetoplay I can’t argue with that.
I don’t even know if this guy brought his buy back in profits yet.

BritoBruno
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BritoBruno

Karl_Hungus BritoBruno Hey, passing me out, you can drop gasoline on my ears. This thing is tiresome as hell.

BritoBruno
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BritoBruno

Rohirrim BritoBruno So? I don’t care. I like when people try to change my opinion. If i don’t, it’s because i’m knowledgeable enough to not do it. If i do, i’ve learned something.
I changed my opinion a lot of times with Mana, Karl, Estranged, and several others. This debacle, on the other hand, combined with my experience in pservers and the subreddit, only makes my forethought stronger: That the pserver community is the first to drop shit on Blizzard for anything, but they can’t realize that they’re pretty much living from Blizzard in the first place.

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