CSGO players petition Valve to revert strict skin trading rules

    
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Readers of Massively OP will recall that over the past few years, skin trading in games like CSGO have made international headlines when the FTC raided skin traders for facilitating gambling and regulatory bodies hassled Valve over facilitating the facilitation of gambling. Wheee. Anyway, Valve’s apparently had enough of the scofflaws running amok with skin trading and is curbing the practice hard with a seven-day cooldown.

“Steam trading was created to allow customers to easily exchange items with each other, and each day we see thousands of customers using Steam Trading in this way. Recently we’ve been looking into ways to reduce some negative unintended uses of trading in CS:GO (such as fraud and scams), with the goal of preserving trade between players,” says the company. Specifically, it seems Valve’s goal is to thwart the third-party services that make use of automated Steam accounts to make mass trades, as it says most individuals trade a specific item just once a week.

“Unfortunately, some of these third party services have become a vector for fraud or scams,” Valve says.

Many CSGO players have taken up arms over the change, and by arms, we mean internet arms in the form of a petition asking Valve to revert the changes. As I type this, over 115,000 players have signed it. “This update essentially destroys trading interactions as a whole,” it states.

Source: CSGO via VG247, petition
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hardy83

They should make skins untradable. See how that goes.

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squid

Good. Tradeable skins is kinda nice—using them as defacto currency for gambling an more is exceptionally shady.

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semugh

why? It’s better to lose some skins than your credit card drained.
With that said, I never gamble with my skins. TBH I only collect them.
haha saving for that elusive dragon lore lol…

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Bruno Brito

Is better to lose nothing.

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Danny Smith

translation: people about to lose a bunch on csgo lotto in panic mode.

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Schmidt.Capela

Not exactly lose. Valve is just making it so if you receive a skin in a trade, it needs to sit in your inventory for a week before you can give it in a trade. Some players — likely goaded by third party skin sales sites — think this will collapse the market and make the skins lose most of their value.

Now, why does this put those sites in panic mode:

– It means they need a week worth of sales in store, besides the skins they currently have available for sale, in order to keep the same service levels, which means a lot more money is required for stocking desired skins.

– It means they are stuck with the skin for at least 7 days, for good or worse. So, if the site acquires a skin for resale, and 3-4 days later they notice that specific skin’s price is falling with no end in sight, there’s no way to move that skin and cut the loses before the full 7 days are over.

Thus, operating in that market just became far riskier and more expensive. The sites would be forced to increase their margins to compensate — but their margins are for all intents and purposes capped by the Steam Community Market cut, which I believe is 15% (10% goes to the publisher of the game, 5% to Valve). If the third party sites push their margin to that point or above, buyers and sellers will just move wholesale to the Steam Community Market.

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Siphaed

This article could have used a better title. Who cares about a petition -mentioned in the last paragraph, no less- by ‘maybe’ some 100,000+ potential humans? The meat and potatoes of this article of interest is Valve doing the actual change over Skin Trading. That is what I, the reader, should care about.

Articles about news make sense to me. Articles about “reactions!” to news, to a company change, to a Patch Note, to whatever make no sense to me. I could care less about the reactions and more about the thing that is actually being discussed. Please, Massively, please don’t become like other “News sites” in posting reactions as a main thing instead of the actual News. Please.

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Greaterdivinity

I’m super alright with this to cut down on the illegal third party gambling and whatnot. That has always felt super gross to me.

Wish Valve would start reacting faster rather than leaving the issue to fester and get worse for years, but I guess everything is done on Valve Time(tm) and since they’re Valve, they get to largely avoid the kinds of criticisms any other developer would be receiving for doing something similar.

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Ailsa Nordstrom

If you are trading a skin to someone who wants to use it in-game or if you are receiving in trade a skin you intend to use in-game this move by Valve will have almost no effect on you. deekay_plus is right, all the signatures are likely those bot accounts.

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Many CSGO players have taken up arms over the change, and by arms, we mean internet arms in the form of a petition asking Valve to revert the changes. As I type this, over 115,000 [strike]players[/strike] steam trading bots have signed it. “This update essentially destroys trading interactions as a whole,” it states.

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Darthbawl

I don’t keep up with this and I do not have an hands in the pot over this. But I really have to scratch my head over this: did the CS:GO community not think that Valve was going to eventually do something about this at some point in time? Valve could have gone as far as nuking skin trading totally, but they have not. Sounds like they thought this seven-day wait was a good compromise — it’s between doing nothing and nuking the concept altogether. Does the player base want this change totally reverted and no further changes made? Or would they be willing to live with a smaller waiting period? (I did not read the petition yet)

But like I said, I no vested interest in this that might cloud my judgement. Just not overly picking up on the Angst.

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kgptzac

That petition is kinda meatlessly pathetic. I wonder how many of those 115,000 signers are real people instead of bots (aka automated Steam accounts).