Shroud of the Avatar boots real-money transactions off its forums

    
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Bye.

Real-money traders, you are no longer welcome on Shroud of the Avatar’s property. At least, that’s the message being sent by Catnip Studios, which declared a unilateral ban on RMT starting in the new year. This ban only applies to the forums, which the studio is attempting to clean up.

“Starting on January 1, 2020, roughly 2 days from now, no RMT (real money transaction) will be allowed in our private forums,” said Catnip. “Existing posts for RMT will be deleted. New posts will be deleted. Repeat offenders will be moderated or banned.”

Catnip had to shut down the thread due to an outcry of angry RMTers who found their welcome cut short. “This does not mean that we will not allow RMT, simply that you can’t use the forums to do,” the studio stressed. “As discussed in multiple places, this is a support headache for us and gives the wrong impression of the game to new players.”

Source: Official forums. Thanks Panagiotis!
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Tom Thumb

Removing RMT from their forums is just another reason why SotA is and always will be a “ClownShow”.

The new/old company is just following another path to alienate its players and reverse a course it started at the beginning of its development.

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ObstreperousBear

I think they may have quasi-realized it’s alienation, because it sounds like they’ve softened the approach to … just making it not blatantly obvious that it’s RNT.

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Tom Thumb

It doesn’t matter much anymore, most people make a post listing what they sell and communicate via PMs about prices and stuff. It’s still happening on the forums it’s just not so obvious.

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LiterallyForThisGif

Ironically, even reddit thinks this is a bad move. So bad it may be the end of Shroud of the Avatar.

Which is funny because they were of the exact opposite opinion until this announcement was made.

It’ll be hilarious if the thing that finally ends the game is Chris listening to reddit and following their advice.

A good lesson about not listening to your worst critics, they’ll give you advice out of the corner of their mouth.

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ObstreperousBear

Which is funny because they were of the exact opposite opinion until this announcement was made.

You’d be wise not to cast a rag tag group of people as having some monolithic worldview. Otherwise, one may ask for evidence that “they were for the exact opposite until this announcement”.

My own position is that I don’t like how RMT plagues games, but I also can observe that it’s the backbone of SOTA since the beginning, and trying to purge it will have negative effects. It’s a corner they painted themselves into. Both positions can be held concurrently without conflict.

The world is nuanced.

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Narficus

The problem has always been that Portnip will choose the path which is bad for the game and company, every time. From the beginning – right after the pitch of a return to RG’s roots, and a bit at the same time, almost immediately the focus became about selling virtual real-estate for acquiring a market like UO third-party resellers.

So then Shroud became reliant on a certain kind of audience above all others with that albatross around its neck. The reason, of it taking any kind of managerial overhead, is kind of odd since Chris is aiming himself into ABSURDLY MORE managerial overhead.

Oh, right.

YAY PLAYER-CREATED CONTENT! CAN’T WAIT! IT WILL MAKE SHROUD PLAYABLE AGAIN!

The whole united reddit mob thing is Port’s narrative for a convenient boogeyman for those who don’t want to look too much further, often used as distraction to cover for the company’s lies. That is why Shroud has critics, like every game, some of the most vocal once the most devoted cultists. Just wait until more of the cases of sunken cost fallacy crack. The proof of this happening was in the archived thread you linked to. Chris deleting, locking, and lying in Portnip tradition only creates more.

But of course, pointing this out is the BAD THING here, not that this company continues to punch itself in the junk while taking the donations and investments of its players and actual investors for an incompetent ride.

Yes, RG and Co might have done “the first” MMO (keep in mind the caveats needed to claim that), but while they were too busy celebrating their egos the industry actually learned from their mistakes made the first time around.

They’re not even learning from their own mistakes on Shroud, just repeating them until they run this sucker into the ground: a lazy fix for a classic problem.

Go Portnip!

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Tom Thumb

Who cares about Reddit when Shrouds player numbers keep dropping? All the charts show that the game is failing on its own merits, not what Reddit or MassivelyOP and any other place speaks about the game.

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LiterallyForThisGif

Ummmm well you’re reposting reddit reposting here:

"Shroud of the Avatar was a clownshow" from shroudoftheavatar

So at least you’re dedicated!

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Tom Thumb

That’s not me, since I’m not on reddit let alone that subreddit. Although you can’t deny that what is written there is pretty much spot on. Do we need to repost Chris’s rant and MOP’s rebuttal? Do we need to post examples of players posting on the official forums about how they left the game or what is needed to bring them back?

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LiterallyForThisGif

That would be the appropriate and long repeated move of the group, post off topic to keep the pressure on. It’s worked so far, why not keep it up?

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Reginald Bottomsworth

There is no “group”; there are people acting alone, of their own agency, badmouthing a clownshow game and a clownshow company.

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Bruno Brito

I think the sentence “too little too late” fits here quite nicely.

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Reginald Bottomsworth

Probably Chris Spears’ attempt to drive more people to the cash shop and squeeze a little more money out of them before the game folds.

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Narficus

If new players buy from existing players then they aren’t buying from Catni – err – Chris.

This no-RMT advertising on the forums reaction isn’t being done in a bubble like Chris’ perception management attempts try to make it into. It is coupled with changes that have made self-professed cheerleaders stop spending. Over holiday lights! Some canceled their subs.

And the reasons are for “image to new players” – yet there isn’t much developer interaction there and other threads (doesn’t get tips like Twitch). But what interaction there has been was either PR/CM trainwreck as per the OP or meme-worthy.

2020 is where all the magic happens to bring new things – including all the NEW FUN for PortChris to go around and manage! Like all the lists of things the game is missing or has screwed up as recited by NPCs! Or maybe worse, as in exploits in mechanics and data security, as QA has been… a mention, occasionally.

YAY PLAYER-CREATED CONTENT!

I am sure new players will notice the new changes really well, and not just the monetization model! Which is going to be… um… now what?

Sweet Jesus this game has been nothing but cart before the horse.

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Techno Wizard

It will only send RMT more underground. Such things are best regulated I think, viz the WoW Token.

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LiterallyForThisGif

That thread wasn’t wiped because RMT’ers were bitching, most of the commenters aren’t even RMTers. It was wiped because big time backers were calling him out for another stupid move.

Archived comments before he lost it.

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Reginald Bottomsworth

I think it’s a good move. Hopefully it’ll prevent sketchy players from pretending everything is just peachy with the game, in hopes of luring people in and selling them digital shinies for real money.

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LiterallyForThisGif

Hmm, since you constantly request for the game to just “die already” and spend a large amount of time trying to facilitate that, it would suggest that you claiming this is a good move indicates a major misstep on the part of Catnip Games.

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Reginald Bottomsworth

And you’re entitled to your opinion!

Fortunately, this move will make it harder for RMTers to perform their grift.

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Songs for Children

in you’re view, why is it a stupid move?

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Deadly Habit

Not him, but rheoretically before the f2p accounts there was a paywall to post and you’d actually be able to call out the grifters and scammers and have a list on the official channels. All this does it make it easier for them since there’s no real way to vet people or account info via the 3rd party channels.

It’s pretty obvious they have no CS person and it’s just Chris with one of his many hats as a dedicated CS person could work through a backlog of tickets with simple replies like “Ticket received, escalating to further level/need more information” etc fairly quickly as that’s their only job. There’s a reason the support email is a black hole and it takes making a stink in public on the forums or streams to get a response, and it’s not due to a new hire already being on holiday or whatever excuse it is this week.

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LiterallyForThisGif

Because Reginald thinks it’s a good one. He calls the company Catshit games, so being encouraging about anything would indicate he’s hoping it will finish off the game.

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Narficus

Well, you yourself saw what happened when even big spenders were telling Chris it was a bad idea, in a thread where Chris acknowledges feedback is anticipated. What happened? Chris lied about why the thread had to be deleted and locked.

So maybe, maybe on the off-chance a critic saying it is a brilliant idea might give the direction of this game some pause, as the players themselves didn’t matter enough to get a response in several threads about the same subject. By the time Chris opened his “feedback” thread, the community were already at each other’s throats over the matter.

The cheering on by critics of the game’s bad direction might work, because everyone’s tried everything else by now and that’s only resulted in this mess where Chris openly lies when he knows people are watching for it. At this point it seems like he wants to be caught at it.

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Celestia

When your game funds development with RMT for virtual land and in game items, haven’t you already set the tone for RMT in your live game?

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Caleb Cranson

What I’m really hoping for is an explanation of what happened with the SeedInvest? Are the players who bought into this crowdfunding totally screwed? My immediate assumption is yes, but it would be nice for Portanip to give some kind of answer other than the usual, “Everything’s fine here!”. At this rate, who believes a word they say anymore?

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Reginald Bottomsworth

Catnipalarium is going to keep quiet until they can figure out how to effectively weasel out of their obligations legally. You know, like how they screwed over the KS backers with digital rewards instead of a physical book that they promised for years.

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Armsbend

They should be lucky anyone cares to pay anything for anything.

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ObstreperousBear

I can’t say I’m thrilled with RMTers in the first place, so when I see Catnip going after them, I’m like,

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Covynant001

I can see RMT transactions on the forums being a headache, but what “wrong” impression were they giving new players….

The game has a strong P2w element which is supported by the studio…..if that might turn off new joiners so be it…..honesty before all else…