RIFT would like to sell you a random mount for $100

We were talking on the podcast this week about how Trion Worlds tends to aggressively pursue different revenue streams in its MMOs — and how those actions sometimes cross the line and land the studio in hot water with the playerbase. For example, RIFT’s pay-to-win shortcut a week or so ago.

So consider the following and tell us if it’s a smart or silly move on Trion’s part. Apparently the studio is now selling a $100 box that pays out one of 42 random premium mounts to the purchaser. As some players have noted, it’s not a smart buy, especially considering that you can obtain some of the mounts in-game for much, much cheaper.

CM Brasse dropped a comment on the Reddit discussion of this box, saying, “I do appreciate how you state the obvious for us… you really, really do NOT have to buy these. They are entirely cosmetic and it’s a pure choice for customers. Vote yea or nay in accordance with your thoughts and wallet. I am not one for mount fever either, but some are all about the stables!”

Source: Reddit. Thanks Greaterdivinity!
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matt gourley

OHHH Trino, never change

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starbuck1771

Thankfully I don’t need any mounts. I even have a mount MJ & Ukata would love. :P

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rafael12104

So they pulled it. Lol!

And so… what now? I wonder.

The damage is done.

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Tizmah

So I’m curious…Is a $100 mount a nice status symbol? Or is it something everyone looks at and cringes/laughes at you because they know you spent $100 on it.

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Steve Stevenson

It’s not a status symbol. Many of these mounts are quite common.

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François Verret

This is what happened: ArenaNet reached out to Trion behind the scenes and said, “Hey! Pst! How would you like some money in exchange for more bad publicity, since you’re already neck-deep in it?” And that’s how ArenaNet made everyone think GW2’s mountbox was really not that bad in comparison.

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Greaterdivinity

Good news is they pulled this pack too – http://forums.riftgame.com/general-discussions/general-discussion/500741-desperate-attempt-2.html#post5332620

Bad news is I’m hearing that the $250 pack that was selling T2 currency and the 5M+ loyalty is back in the shop. Can’t verify myself, but hearing a few folks say that they’re seeing it back in the cash shop : /

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Boom

I believe the $250 pack was never removed, it was just the intel caches they removed & which are still being discussed.

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Linda Carlson

Boom is correct. The Dragon Hoard and Fae Yule Bagling Cache both remain available. They can be used by the buyer or gifted. Each contain a number of highly desirable items, including Captured Intel and Loyalty.
The Captured Intel packs (which offered only that) were removed this past Saturday, pending review and internal discussion, as they were the ones players objected to.
~Brasse

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lokoma

im loosing respect for you massivelyop……

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Steve Stevenson

And why is that?

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styopa

Well it was too tight, obviously.
That’s why they had to loosen it, to make it more comfortable.

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Loopy

I honestly think that monetization of the MMO genre has completely gone out of whack.

Games started off as being fairly priced + sub. Then too many MMOs came out and people couldn’t justify paying for all the subs. Subscription model started waning out, and we reached the free-to-play evolution. But that wasn’t enough to keep the games going, so microtransactions started popping up. But micro turned to macro very quickly, because the market has been oversaturated with MMOs, and they couldn’t sustain themselves with a steady population. Then the era of lockboxes came, and because it had direct correlation with gambling, it triggered players into carelessly purchasing the boxes.

Now we’re simply at a point where the entire system is broken. Majority of MMO players will not be willing to go back to paying premium prices ($60+) for MMOs, and companies will resort to any and all strategies to get paid in this weird ecosystem we live in. I honestly think the entire MMO market will eventually implode, and we’ll be back to square one.

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Daniel Miller

Really, what is the difference? Didn’t star Citisain have a 4500 motorcycle? a 10k ship?

Crowfall, SoA, CoA all have 1k to 10k packages or items.

Compare these with the eastern MMO for micro transactions of the east. It is nothing.

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Steve Stevenson

How do wrongs justify more wrongs?

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Dividion

The Star Citizen “space bikes” range from $35 to $55, and you know what you’re getting if you buy one. Of course, for $45 you can have a full blown spaceship and copy of the game (or $60 that includes a ship and both games).
For $100, you could get a copy of the game with a ship and a 4×4 km parcel of land (in-game) that you own for the lifetime of the game. Or just a copy of the game with an even better ship. Or an 8×8 km parcel of land.
The most expensive player-ownable ship is currently $3000 (was $2500 until last year). If you want to play solo, you probably won’t be flying anything more expensive than $300-500. All of the ships can be earned in-game too.

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jay

I remember when rift first released, and Trion actually stood as a pillar of moral integrity for the MMO community. It’s really a shame what they have come to now…

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Armsbend

Then ArcheAge happened.

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Crowe

I can’t blame Archeage for their bad decisions about Rift. But it sure seems like an ongoing series of fantastic lessons that they refuse to learn from.

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Alberto

This is gross..I don’t like Mystery boxes in RL , and 100 mystery boxes with random mounts…..yuk. And this is from a Star citizen backer……0.0

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flyingltj

“Pay us to win, because that’s something we told you we’d never do until we did it.” – Trion

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rafael12104

A one hundred dollar loot box. And, you aren’t even guaranteed you will get a mount that you will like.

Lolololololololololol!

Trion, you suck. Your timing sucks, the idea sucks. Your greed, same thing.

Faith, I have none because of companies like you.

My apologies to the rest of you, but…

Fuck off, Trion.

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mistressbrazen

Holy heck! $100 for a mount?! I fear these companies are eventually going to kill off our genre. That’s the real danger, not that they can do it and people can choose to pay it, but that gaming companies will begin to cater exclusively to those people who will pay, leaving the rest of us with relatively nothing but gated up mediocre f2p content.

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flyingltj

The only mount worth $100 is the one that also comes to my house and washes my dishes and laundry for a month.

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Crowe

I’d pay $120 for that one!
(I meant for the kitchen cleaning one)

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rafael12104

They better clean the kitchen too.

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rafael12104

They are killing it now. We are watching it happen, my friend.

Don’t know what to say anymore. Seriously, we need a massive crash and devaluation so that those that care can pick up the pieces. Seems like the only way…

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Roger Melly

I am so glad I decided to walk away from Rift after playing it for the past 6 years .

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Castagere Shaikura

I will say it again Trion is doing this to see if anyone will buy it and you know some will buy it. Game companies do this crap because they want to make as much money as they can no matter what. If people do buy it blame them too. Gamers are as much at fault for all this crap as game companies. People are paying hundreds of dollars for ships in SC and it hasn’t even come out yet. This will end when gamers wake up and keep the wallet closed.

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flyingltj

Don’t you think they got enough info on P2W probing back in the 4-5 years since they started doing it?

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Sorenthaz

At this point I don’t think anything Trion tries to do will surprise me. They just want to milk whales as much as possible.

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Humble DG

My only words of wisdom on this…

Bet with your head, not over it.

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Dividion

At $100, and random, I think Trion should be ashamed of themselves. Maybe if RIFT were your only game and you just had to have a particular mount, then it might carry that much value to you, assuming you’re lucky enough to get the one you want.

If some digital asset is going to cost $100, I’d want to know what I’m getting. This is even more ridiculous than EVE’s monocle-gate.

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Terren Bruce

I think it’s less that Scott Hartsman is greedy and more that he is desperate. Not that that is any excuse in this instance.

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Crowe

I am surprised that employees aren’t leaving in droves.

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Arktouros

Doesn’t bug me in the slightest.

People need to shift the way they see gaming. There are millions of gamers of a diverse and different financial situations and backgrounds. A person commenting on a $100 gamble box as disgusting or ridiculous obviously isn’t the intended customer.

But that’s true of a lot of things in life. Daily we’re bombarded with advertisements for luxury cars and high end PC gaming rig parts and new TVs and blah blah blah. We have no problem filtering that stuff out, why can’t people similarly filter this stuff out? A $100 gamble crate doesn’t enrage me any more than an iPhone made out of solid gold.

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Malcolm Swoboda

I filter it out by not playing the game, easy.

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Greaterdivinity

It’s not the price-tag alone that’s causing raised eyebrows and criticism, it’s what’s provided for that price tag. If this was a more robust package that featured multiple mounts and some other bonuses, folks would likely still grumble a bit but it would be pretty normal monetization behavior for a F2P game like Rift. But literally a SINGLE random mount that’s worth no more than $40 (given the current price of most of the mounts on the AH and the value of REX in-game)? Yeah, that’s more than a bit much.

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Humble DG

I’m in agreement on this. You can’t blame a developer for selling a loot crate if people are still buying them. A business needs to make money, and if there’s no subscription, then the money needs to come from the store.

Now personally, I think loot crates are just dumb and I have never purchased one, nor will I ever. I see no value in buying something that’s not guaranteed. Raising the value of it only decreases the chances of myself changing my mind on that.

But if you have spare money and want to chance it on some random mount for $100, go for it. Although, I’d argue you’d probably get more personal satisfaction donating it to a charity.

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Steve Stevenson

If sales were very good on this, they wouldn’t have pulled it off the shelf no matter how big the backlash and bad press was.

Only idiots (people that didn’t read the label and thought they’d be getting all 42 mounts) and newbies would buy this.

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Matt Redding

But it’s a hundred dollar loot crate that might spit out a $20 mount that you can directly buy, not just 1 of a list of new $100 mounts. That’s what makes it so incredibly sleazy.

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Steve Stevenson

Exactly! And so many of the non-Rift players that are commenting don’t seem to get this. It’s not a super rare and exclusive status symbol.

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Brother Maynard

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rafael12104

Nicely done! Lol. Finally, I get a laugh today.

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Greaterdivinity

This blew my mind that they are so tone-deaf as to drop this RIGHT AFTER they had to yank the insane $250 bundle that sold top tier currency and caused a riot with their playerbase.

This makes them look absolutely DESPERATE for any revenue for the end of the year, and makes me seriously wonder about their current financials overall and Rift specifically. It’s a really, really bad look.

And I’ve gotta say though, I’ve lost pretty much all the respect I used to have for Brasse when she was at SOE. She’s gotten so snarky/rude/dismissive of player concerns when they’re brought up. I get that she has to tow the company line, even when it’s defending indefensible, transparent cash grabs like this, which has to be hard to stomach, but her attempts at humor or levity come off as disrespectful (at least when I read them).

Ugh, it makes me feel kinda gross/guilty for jumping back in to run old dungeons again recently -_-

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rafael12104

Thanks for bringing this forward. I occasionally go back to Rift and AA to see what is going on. Not anymore.

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A Dad Supreme

Oh Ye of Short Term Memory… gaze upon your past and tremble in awe!

Defiance’s $100 Weapon

The Legendary Weapon Kit comes packed with one random legendary weapon and a set of random epic mods for said weapon. All for the low low price of roughly $100.

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Dug From The Earth
    dig (one’s) own grave

To do something that has or will have negative consequences that are easily able to be foreseen.

See also: Trion, Rift

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Zora

From their perspective, they see the pile of money right in front of them. If the pile is tall enough, they might simply be “unable” to spot the chasm right past it…

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Nathan Aldana

ahahahahahahahahha hahahahahahahaha haaaaahahahahahaha

yeah I’ll go spend my money on warframe and DDO now, thanks.

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Bryan H

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A Dad Supreme

Inconceivable!

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rafael12104

Lol! I loved that bit in Princess Bride. LOL!

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McGuffn

Once you have their money, you never give it back.

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Danny Smith

What a perfect time for real money for rng random ‘funpay minibuys’ just when the mainstream is so open to them!

Fucksake Trion, still the bumblekings of mmo devs.

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Veldan

Why are people mad about this? This is like, the least bad form of gamble box. This is far less bad that what RIFT already had. So what’s the big deal?

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Mike

I don’t get it either. You don’t have to buy it, it does nothing and is cosmetic at stated by Brasse. People pay $500 for a CSGO cosmetic knife skin. Why not let developers get in on the action and help fund their games?

My god, calm down. If someone wants to spend $100 for a skin, let them. Can you really not handle that?

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Nathan Aldana

Hint: If you let corporations off the hook for even a second they will find new and interesting ways to rip you off.

never trust them, and never give them the benefit of the doubt, or else you’re a moron.

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Steve Stevenson

They don’t have to sell it either.

People pay $500 for a CSGO cosmetic that’s unique and exclusive. These mounts are old, already sold in store for less and not actually rare. Besides, how does one wrong justify another?

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Wilhelm Arcturus

It is random, it is expensive so looks like a greedy cash grab, and includes mounts available via other, much less expensive means. Seems pretty bad no matter what else Trion is doing in the game.

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Veldan

“It is random”: Yes, because it brings in far more money than if it were not random. Also, there were already random boxes in the game, which did not only contain cosmetics. So the overall “badness” level does not increase.

“It is expensive”: this is a good thing, means few people will buy, so the impact on the game is minimal while Trion still extracts some more whale money (which must have been the reason to implement this)

“looks like a greedy cash grab”: Stop using the word greed. Not just you, but everyone. None of us have inside information about Trion’s financial state, so this could be pure necessity. For all we know, this very box could be all that’s preventing RIFT from shutdown.

“… and includes mounts available via other, much less expensive means”: This is a good thing for all non-whales. It means that you can get some of the mounts without paying, and it means that whales will be paying more in support of your game.

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Nathan Aldana

If their financial state is such that they need to pump 100 dollar boxes out to save the game, I hate to tell you this, but the game is probably dead regardless.

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Dividion

What they should do is sell you the box that lets you choose which of the mounts you want, and make it so it can be traded/gifted to other players.

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Estranged

CM Brasse has a terrible job. RIP

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A Dad Supreme

CM Brasse has a terrible job. RIP

Meh.

She chose her job just like Sarah Huckabee Sanders chose her job or Baghdad Bob chose his. I actually feel the most pity for Baghdad Bob because Saddam probably was holding his family hostage under death threats so he had to get in the press.

Anyone in the PR field that gets out there and defends this as a matter of course goes in with eyes-wide-open; they already know what kind of company they are working for and what they are saying behind closed doors.

I’m sure she’s a nice lady, but she doesn’t deserve pity (nor is she asking for any) as she’s an adult who is making real choices everyday by showing up and reading what they hand to her to read, and she’d be the first to tell you she’s proud of working at Trion.

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Linda Carlson

Oh gosh yes, I am very, very happy to be here at Trion and in online gaming in general. I do not need any pity or sympathy, that’s for sure. =P

I can’t imagine any other field of endeavor where I get to work in games and with people who create and play them. I am VERY much a fan of online societies, which have evolved significantly over the decades I’ve been in them. It’s fascinating and endlessly challenging.

My role is interesting, because I serve both as player advocate (we gather a TON of intel, feedback and sentiment to the company from all communication arenas) and a company advocate (I know just how hard the devs work, how deeply they care and how hard it is to make a living at making games).

While I can explain why we do things as a company (like releasing these packs), I certainly don’t expect people to agree with all of our choices. That goes against human nature and the power of the individual to have an opinion.
Even internally we do not always agree with each other; lively debates and discussions abound at Trion, as we are a company with a CEO and COO who value our individual input and opinion. We all care deeply about our games and our fellow players, but we all have different perspectives, just like our individual audience members. Sometimes we experiment, sometimes we choose wisely, and sometimes not. In the former, we do more of the same, and with the latter, we re-evaluate, tweak, remove or change things.

The TL;DR is… we do listen. If something doesn’t work, we change it. Trion is pretty agile at decision-making.
Gaming continues to evolve and all of us along with it.
If these boxes sell well, there will be more. If not… they’ll go away or change.
;-)#
Brasse

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Utakata

I presume, that you aware that you should take none of these criticism personally…as they are directed at the company you represent. As I also assume that none of the criticisms have moved to the ad hominem, to which they would be dealt with accordingly if so. Either with a well placed Bree or Brasse’hammer, depending on the jurisdiction to which the critique turned insult has been stated. :)

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lokoma

Brasse is a cool community member but some of these decisions are just terrible
i have a suggestion make the subscription option more enticing even cheep er say 5 or 10$ and rather than cash shop items you put that stuff in game
and maybe you will get old time players like me back

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Estranged

Linda, I’ll own my post. Shouldn’t have made such a statement in public. My apologies.

I was projecting a bit.

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Zora

she’d be the first to tell you she’s proud of working at Trion.

I agree with everything you said, but this last bit I wouldn’t be that sure about even if I were to hear it myself. No really, it’s not a requirement to be proud if the salary is good. /cough

It -is- a terrible job, I couldn’t really handle being customer support in retail. Your boss reprimands you for not being enough of a jerk, people still hate you and deflection is your only survival tool. Ugh…

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A Dad Supreme

It -is- a terrible job, I couldn’t really handle being customer support in retail.

This isn’t her first customer service job nor first company, nor is she making peanuts in her position.

If she felt it was truly a ‘terrible job” or career, she strikes me as a highly intelligent woman who has many choices in life but continually chooses this path every time it’s offered.

Again, I’m sure she’ll be the first to tell you she likes customer support in retail otherwise she’d find something else to do.

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Steve Stevenson

You mean, she’s terrible at her job

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Nathan Aldana

I think she really doesnt get a choice in what she has to pretend are great buys for customers. Thats the problem with being PR, your job is literally to try and sell whatever awful idea the people up top have.

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A Dad Supreme

Thats the problem with being PR, your job is literally to try and sell whatever awful idea the people up top have.

I’m sure the salary tends to help the medicine go down a lot easier so it can’t be all that bad representing this conscience-wise.

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Estranged

Steve, I don’t know. The frustration of working for Trion could do this to anybody. She seems to have a good reputation.

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Crowe

Prior to joining Trion, she had a steller reputation. However, Trion’s rep is definitely starting to rub off.

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Estranged

Crowe, yeah, I feel horrible. Have always had positive interactions with her in the past.

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rafael12104

Given what she has to work with? I am amazed she can handle it and give her credit for it.

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Space Captain Zor

Ick… Does that price include a 3D print of the mount with your character on it? :/

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FG3000

lol damn, I play mobile games and I cant even defend this.

$100….for a CHANCE, at old crusty mounts…some of which have sold for like $10…..WTF ?!

And Trion are hiding behind “Well you dont have to buy it” …wow…just wow. Yeah we dont have to buy it but just the mere existence of hyper predatory traps in your cash shop speaks for your company. I hope the blow to your reputation …whats left of it is worth it.

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Toy Clown

I feel like the devs must play GW2 and got the idea of this type of lockbox from them. Of all the gaming companies out there, Trion most amazes me for their shameless cash grabs. At first I thought it was because their hands were tied as a developer in Archeage. Now that they’re doing it with an MMO they built themselves leaves me shaking my head and not wanting to touch any of their games.

I do get that MMOs are expensive, but what i don’t get is developers pushing more for the “pay us more for nothing” thing.

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life_isnt_just_dank_memes

Hartsman and Mike O’Brien must have a “Trading Places” style bet for 1 dollar for Christmas and the players are Eddie Murphy and Dan Akroyd.

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Siphaed

This is clearly a publicity stunt. “There’s no such thing as bad publicity.”, right? Trion just got Rift into the main news spotlight for the end of the year. Now all they have to do it change these because “we’ve listened to our community and reacted accordingly”, coming out to be some sort of anti-hero savior in the whole thing while the game is still center of attention.

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A Dad Supreme

This is clearly a publicity stunt. “There’s no such thing as bad publicity.”, right?

Same I tend to agree.

During the year, go back and look at how often the many Trion articles here about any game they make gets more than 10 comments… hardly any. No one cares about Trion, which is why they started the crazy sales in the first place.

Now they have a little attention which they want to turn into interest, so they are striking while their iron is hottest.

For Trion, any time people can talk about Rift or ArcheAge is a good day, whether it’s good or bad comments.

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Greaterdivinity

“There’s no such thing as bad publicity.”,

This is blatantly, painfully false FYI. For a recent example of how incorrect this is…Battlefront 2 : P

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A Dad Supreme

Yeah, they suffered a whole six cents per share shaming. I’m sure they learned their lesson.

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Greaterdivinity

For a while it dropped the companies value down by over $3B on the stock market, that hurts.

Also, reports are that sales are well, well below Battlefront 1, which hurts even harder. Their earnings have already been revised down to boot.

I’m sure we’ll get more details on the earnings call, but all signs point to the negative publicity very much hurting the initial sales of the game and the lack of microtransactions hurting their estimated revenue, and consequently stock value/shareholders.

Also, if you want another example: BP after Deepwater Horizon : P

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Siphaed

So, it dropped an ‘imaginary’ $3B, and that’s just because of the way valuation on the stock market carries. It is all hogwash in the big picture. Which is to say, it is a trading card game based on what people think the cards are worth in the future based on their perception of the overall demand of said cards as well as the performance of the represented name on the card. I have to /facepalm anything related to the stock market because it has overall caused so many issues within the economy and the world that I wish it never existed in the first place.

Oh, back to EA’s stock and why a ‘imaginary’ $3B panicked drop doesn’t matter short term. Stock valuation is at $106.8 USD a share today. LY was $80.7 USD a share. Y2Y is an increase of $26.1 USD, well over 20% gain. Before the 2008 crash, they were at $60 USD a share. And now they’re over double that a decade later.

That’s why EA was slow to respond without Disney’s interference. It is a drop in the bucket that doesn’t effect their bottom line much at all. How many ever shares that they -the CEO and board- hold is a give and take. But the rest is answering to public shareholders, which all panicked and sold early -before the holiday season- just because of a tiny bit of public outcry on a singular game.

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Jemmyt Reloaded

I have the same reaction.

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teppic

With this and the stuff last week my guess is that the game is going into maintenance mode. It’s been in decline for a long time and the best time to pull this kind of shit is not long before ending development on it to rake in the maximum cash. It sounds like they’re diverting resources to cash in on Defiance on consoles, Rift’s just being kept alive for the whales now.

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Zora

And I am ready to buy this random mount if you are ready to accept someone else’s money for it.

I don’t even play the game but if it’s not my own wallet I will gladly partake in any form of gambling!

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Jdawg Playsgames

I laugh about this because right now folks over on the ESO forums are absolutely losing their minds because you pay maybe 3 bucks per crown crate, that can give you the most rare mounts in the game.

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Boom

While I await Schlags far better attempts

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rafael12104

Hey, that’s great! LOL.

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Schlag Sweetleaf

The floor is yours sir, well done;)

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rafael12104

Well done, indeed. :)

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Boom

lol noooo
I was waiting for one of Scott Hartsman head on a horse or something :D

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Arktouros

Scott Hartsman waking up in bed with a bloody Loot Box in his bed?

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rafael12104

That sounds about right. Lol

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IronSalamander8 .

*sigh*

Trion why you do this? I liked Rift when I played it at launch. Then they messed up my account and I wasn’t able to ever fix it so gave up. Thanks to their horrendous customer service and stuff like this I won’t be playing Atlas Reactor and Trove, 2 games I’m really interested in.

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Bryan Turner

Laugh my ass off, there’s no way in hell any of their premium Mounts are worth $100, I remember paying a quarter that price for specific Mounts.

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Tanek

In the current game environment? Are they insane? o.O

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hugmonster

And we were complaining when Guild Wars 2 started selling random mount skins for $5 …

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Steve Stevenson

It makes me wonder if the few people defending this came from some kind of super Rift, where the ability to mount costs $250 and BiS weapons drop in pieces from lockboxes.

All my friends from Rift that went to GW2 were amazed that GW2 players were upset over things like the random mount skin box.

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Wilhelm Arcturus

It is like they were in a cave without WiFi while this whole Star Wars Battlefront II fiasco happened. Color me disappointed, and doubly so with Brasse’s lame rationalization.
Whales Uber Alles.

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Armsbend

Trion hard at work trying to be the shittiest developers of video games. They truly set the bar high but many companies are trying to take their crown. Keep up the good work in 2018 Trion.

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Estranged

Arms, they had to over take EA. No one is taking their title!

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panthyr

“Holy crap EA came outta of the gate swinging with that Lockbox debacle! How do we make sure we take the crown in 2017?!”

“I have an idea…..”

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camren_rooke

Also know in the South as, ‘Hold my beer,”

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rafael12104

Ah, camren_rooke, you made me laugh and smile. Took me out of my bad mood.

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Estranged

panthyr – lol, same thought

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Knox Harrington

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Steve Stevenson
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Utakata

I like to state the obvious that they really, really do NOT have to sell these…

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Brother Maynard

I’d like to state the less obvious, but very hopeful that at this point in Trion’s career they really, really HAVE TO.

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Utakata

Here are some better alternatives that seem to be working though:

Massively OP’s Best of 2017 Awards: Best MMO Business Model of 2017

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Brother Maynard

From me, it was hope that Trion is by now so close to being history that all they can do are these desperate attempts. The business models of PoE or Warframe are for the long run, both studios took years to build up their reputation.

Let’s hope that by this time next year Trion will be gone for good.

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Zeph

Trion is so frustrating. They make great games, but then they do nonsense like this without any consideration of the optics. How many potential players were repelled by this and last week’s kerfuffle? They must have some impressive whales in Rift.

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Steve Stevenson

Exactly! There’s no attention to industry events or player mindset. If this occurred months later (and coincided with a major content release, like a new raid), the backlash wouldn’t be so severe.

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ozzie

I’ve been thinking about jumping in and trying this game again…something tells me that’s not a good idea. Rift captured lightning in a bottle with complex mechanics (classes+raids) just when WoW was doing the opposite with pruning and accessibility. Somehow it seems they lost their vision along the way, no doubt helped by their extreme focus on business model/cash shop. They have got to spend a ton of resources and effort on it, rather than gameplay elements.

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Montjoy Onew

I went back a few months ago.
Looking back I am sorta amazed I made it two months.
The end game grind is a joke and the cash shop stuff is really getting out of hand.

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teppic

Early Rift, before Trion abandoned all its ethics, was a great game. Rather than pull all this crap it’s a shame they didn’t release classic servers — but adding high price gambling to an existing game requires pretty much no effort, and I guess is making them more (short term).

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Andrew Ross

So much this. For awhile, I was keeping tabs on all the great stuff Rift was doing and how many YEARS it took WoW to use it in their game. Now anything I see from it is through a lense of abusive monetization.

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Zen Dadaist

That’s where I am. I can’t really seem to get over it either. Every so often I’ll miss the good times – the soul system, the instances, the zone events, the instant adventures. I’ll log on for old time’s sakes. Run around on some of my hard-earned mounts. Then I’ll accidentally open the shop or check out an IA or something, and be reminded of the general path it’s slid down.
That’s not to say everything since Storm Legion has been awful. 4.2 was a great update that did a lot of really cool stuff and brought be back for a while. But then they went and reverted to type with 4.3.

[grumbles in nostalgia]

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camren_rooke

Agreed. IA’s just make my soul hurt. So mindless and stupid.

It’s literally just whackamole.

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Boom

They seem to be going all out for the monies this crimbo, theyve also added a bundle which includes a lvl65 boost, mixture of souls, ascended weapon etc for only $20/£15 sheets
I know its nothing compared to the crapathon that is the lockbox but its starting to look like a fire sale over at Rift.
Sad to say its looking more desperate by the minute

An just as I was enjoying it again..bah humbug

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