Today in why we can’t have nice things: How a No Man’s Sky griefer exploits design flaws to screw with communities

    
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Oh, you wanted to use these things. Huh.

No Man’s Sky griefer purporting to roleplay an evil emperor, monologuing and all, decided to up his griefer game by taking it out of game and erasing a 400+ member strong Amino community cafe.

As Kotaku reports, the streamer, SGX, had a history of this sort of play.

“Erasing a base in No Man’s Sky is pretty easy to do. Each planet can only have a certain number of bases that are visible to other players. In many communities, it’s considered polite not to claim a base on a planet that has other bases on it already. What SGX did was go to planets in civilized space, meaning communities like Cafe 42 or the Galactic Hub, travel to places where he knew player-made bases existed, and claim bases at the same site, effectively destroying them. He’s also left some rude comments in his wake, all in keeping with his evil overlord persona. In one stream, he re-words a comment a couple of times because the profanity filter won’t let him submit his desired message: “I pissed at your door.”

After destroying one such base, owned by a civilization leader named Lillihop, SGX made misogynistic comments online as other players tweeted his actions were basically “amateur hour.”

The incident is causing gamers to reflect on the nature of roleplaying bad guys in online spaces. Most MMORPG players understand that consent in the roleplay community is a big deal. It’s one thing to /hug your friend when just chatting, but it’s handled differently when people are roleplaying in games.

And while some might argue griefing is built into the mechanics of the game, the issue is that this was no PvP battle; it’s an exploit of the game’s design flaws, and it certainly isn’t PvP in the spirit of actual roleplay. It’s one thing to play the bad guy, but it’s another to simply grief. There was no battle, no way for the community to reasonably defend itself, and from an RP perspective, there was no consent. In fact, Lillihop mentions that the community is intentionally neutral. No matter how “evil” an RPer may be, people who declare neutrality and do not engage in combat are off limits. I’ve seen some of the worst gaming communities in the ’90s and early ’00s respect this.

Hopefully, Hello Games will address how erasures happen in the future. While there’s potential for this to occur by accident, it’s clearly being abused. One thing’s for sure: For a game that didn’t even originally launch with multiplayer, the current version of No Man’s Sky has all the problems of a bona fide MMORPG.

Source: Kotaku
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Tobasco da Gama

As I commented elsewhere about this: we are who we pretend to be.

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Robert Mann

Design flaw is a big problem. That should NEVER have existed.

As for the griefer, karma is coming. Sooner or later, especially if there happens to be some afterlife where our actions matter even one wit.

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Nim

Yeah so I think the headline here should be the design flaw, as opposed to feeding the ego of the griefer.

It sounds to me like they need to implement a mechanic wherein players can vote on which base(s) they want to be visible on a planet. Not exactly the most exciting thing if you’re PVP inclined, and a large group could still wipe out the bases of smaller groups (possibly mitigated by limiting the total number of votes a player gets). But it at least it would stop a single malcontent from griefing established communities.

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Grave Knight

In a way it’s kind of funny. I mean aside from the misogyny. Like the guy is basically a cartoon villain.

Then again I’ve had to deal with griefing and it’s never fun to put all this work in building a thing and to come and find out someone pour lava inside your mostly wood building and now everything is on fire.

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mysecretid

Ugh. This sounds horrible.

I play No Man’s Sky regularly (almost daily) on my PS4, and I’ve been dreading the day the new multiplayer shows up on that console, for exactly these kinds of reasons — i.e. the relentless stupidity and malice of other players.

If there’s a way to opt out of multiplayer when it arrives on the PS4, I will certainly do so.

Beyond the puerile idiocy factor, having a lot of random players lumped together in a No Man’s Sky game doesn’t actually fit well with the story driving the game anyway.

The basic concept is that you’re a space pilot with partial amnesia (yes, that old gaming trope, yet again) on the outer rim of what appears to be an alien-controlled galaxy.

You are not one of the three significant alien races in the game; you are the proverbial “stranger in a strange land”, trying to make your way through the boondocks of alien space.

Hence the game’s title — these are unknown territories, a place where humans are the aliens, as it were.

I could see playing the game with a friend or two, sure — but MMO-like player “communities” in No Man’s Sky seem antithetical to the setting itself.

My opinions, anyway.

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Tobasco da Gama

If only Sony or Sean Murray or whoever hadn’t been so fucking coy about multiplayer, we could have had a perfectly nice singleplayer space game out of all this.

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thirtymil

I’m hoping at some point that developers new to massively multiplayer development at least hire some experienced MMO developers rather than thinking they’ll be the lucky people who get it right first time.

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Skoryy

Ever increasingly relevant in our day and age:

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Randy Savage

People wanted multiplayer in NMS.

Looks like they got it.

Be careful what you wish for.

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Armsbend

They would be no role playing otherwise.

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I just pictured Randy Savage in front of a greenscreen backdrop of his logo ala WWF talking smack into the camera like in the old days….”OOOOOOOH YEAHHHHH!…………….. PEOPLLLEEEEE WANTEDDDDD IT……..loooooooks to me like they….*pants heavily, looks around confused and angry, then back to the camera, removes his glasses*…….GOT IT!!…..” *storms off camera*

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Mick the Barbarian

Evil Overlord …. or just pain immature arsehole? You decide.

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Grave Knight

What’s the difference?

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Robert Mann

Evil overlords could come in many different styles, but tend toward oppressive law. After all, if they aren’t ruling over something, they are no overlord. Even if Evil was typo’d to Emo… they would still not simply destroy and be crude.

Thus I vote for pia.

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squid

That sounds like horrible game design…

No Man’s Sky

Oh.