Researcher stomps the ‘lockboxes are Kinder Eggs’ defense into paste

    
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Most if not all of us pretty much felt the same way Dr. Daniel King, senior research assistant from the School of Psychology at the University of Adelaide, did when he heard that gaming lock boxes are like Kinder Eggs. Though luckily for us, Dr. King is much smarter and can back up his facedesking with some science. It’s kind of his thing.

The “Kinder Egg defense” reared its goofy head once again during Develop Brighton last month when UKIE CEO Dr. Jo Twist used the same comparison, stating that the games industry faced “cultural bias” while things like Pokemon trading cards and Kinder Eggs do not. Readers will recall this was a similar argument raised by EA in June of this year.

Dr. King had some words in response:

“A Kinder Surprise Egg does not collect your data. The Kinder Egg does not learn more about the person buying and opening the Egg, such as his or her preferences for its contents. The Kinder Egg does not adjust its contents according to an algorithm based on population data. People do not link their credit cards to Kinder Egg vendors. Kinder Eggs are physical and can be given away or traded, unlike virtual items. It is difficult to spend thousands of dollars on Kinder Eggs. The transaction, user experience, and consequences are quite different.”

Dr. King further elaborates on the practice of lock box monetization in a study which examined 13 in-game purchasing patents and their connection to consumer rights. The patents themselves include various features such as behavior tracking, price manipulation, and incentivized continuous spending.

It should be noted that the patents included in the study were from a broad Google Patents database search of over 87 million findings, and that not all of the patents have been implemented into games yet. Still, it’s hard to hold up a Kinder Egg as an effigy in one hand while also holding a patent filing for behavior tracking software behind your back in the other.

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NeoWolf

It is just putting an official period to the end of a statement everyone with an active brain cell already knew. The lockboxes are kinder eggs approach always had no legs to stand on to begin with.

But the real question is debunked or not does it change the outcome of their ability to use lockboxes? and the answer is of course. no :(

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PurpleCopper

Pretty naive to think that the Kinder Eggs corporation doesn’t have your private information about you each time you purchase an egg.

Oh, “and it’s difficult to purchase thousands of dollars on Kinder Eggs?” I beg to differ.

Is it acceptable for lootboxes to exist if the algorithm drop rate for all items can’t be adjusted and you can buy or sell your virtual items to anybody?

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MassivelyMacD

Pretty naive to think that the Kinder Eggs corporation doesn’t have your private information about you each time you purchase an egg.

In Germany:
1. Go to your local supermarket
2. Find the Kinder Eggs
3. Go to cash point
4. Pay with cash
5. Enjoy

No data collected in the process.

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Peter Murphy

There’s also one other huge difference – when you buy a kinder egg, you will always at least get something worthwhile (the chocolate). Chocolate is guaranteed. With a game lockbox, you can easily spend a lot of money and get absolutely nothing worthwhile for it (crap, crap you already have, or crap you can’t use).

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Robert Mann

… the sad thing is that politicians aside, nobody needed to be told that they are not the same thing. Politicians, on the other hand, are still unsure whether loot/lock boxes and Kinder Eggs are somehow related to chickens and whether crossing the road had a reason.

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Dobablo

Kinder eggs are a surprise, something to play with, and some chocolate. Lock boxes cannot be eaten, therefore lock boxes are not Kinder Eggs.

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Bryan Correll

A Kinder Surprise Egg does not collect your data. The Kinder Egg does not learn more about the person buying and opening the Egg, such as his or her preferences for its contents.

Well, not the current generation.

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Schlag Sweetleaf

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McGuffn

Better than chillaxing.

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Bryan Correll

Oooooo. Two Shlag memes in one article!

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Schlag Sweetleaf

normally that’s a no-no as too many memes spoil the pot, but it was late and that movie poster was begging for it:P Spent way too much time trying to change the movie title but couldnt think of anything. The egg translated well however.

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Witches

This is a very strange comparison, in lockboxes you know what you may get and there are different drop rates, lower for most sought after items, there are no special toys inside Kinder eggs, the chance of getting any specific toy is the same, and all the toys are regular toys that can be bought elsewhere, you can also buy the version of the egg that doesn’t have a toy.

You can buy either the chocolate or the toys in other ways, the sellers of those goods didn’t invent sugar craving or liking toys, anything inside a lockbox in a game is something the developer of the game decided not to add to the regular loot table.

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Dobablo

I don’t know about current policy but I remember Kinder Eggs of the 90s and 00s containing limited time collections that came at a reduced drop rate. There would be a 1-in-3 chance that, instead of the standard toy, you would get one of the set items. Multi-packs would guarantee at least one special edition toy.

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Utakata

…I bought Kinder Eggs for the chocolate though. >.<

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K38FishTacos

Entitled

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Utakata

No…that would be that orange buffoon mentioned earlier down in the conversation. o.O

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McGuffn

huff the spraypaint instead?

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Zora

Kinder eggs, collectible stickers, happy meals with their toys, even the relatively modern (it was the nineties, a lifetime ago for most youth) CCG affairs… kids have been trained to cultivate their addiction-friendly mindset for decades, whether some researcher may agree or not.

Don’t give them ideas to require a credit card for unlocking kinder surprises, please… they might actually do it

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McGuffn

Happy meals is really stretching it. CCGs were grandfathered in because of the sports card precedent. They use the same process to ruin everything.

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Witches

Has anyone ever shutdown your sticker collection, keeping you from ever using it again?

How much do you have to pay to an ISP to look at your sticker collection, your sticker collection is only available online right?

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Dobablo

I once tried to sell my completed sticker collection at a car boot sale but Panini turned up, confiscated my book and banned me from collecting any more stickers.
I showed them they. I bought a new sticker book and started a new collection to get around their ban.

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Minimalistway

I have nothing useful to say … i just miss Kinder eggs, me and my brother used to buy them and collect the toys, few years ago i tried to find them but nothing in the market.

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camren_rooke

There are in hobby and craft stores here in Georgia. And of course Amazon has them.

You can also get uranium ore on Amazon as well.

https://www.amazon.com/Images-SI-Uranium-Ore/dp/B000796XXM/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=yellow+cake+uranium&qid=1565027392&s=gateway&sr=8-1

Expose the insect of your choice to it.
Get it to bite you.
Gain superpowers!
Impress your friends.

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Eliandal

I’m glad I’m Canadian ;)! It really boggles my mind that Americans have to jump through hoops to get them, yet can easily buy … oh forget it, it’s going to get too political :/!

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Arktouros

Kinder Eggs being banned is actually quite an amusing parallel for what people want done for loot boxes as a monetary practice in video games. Everyone’s just thinking about the children.

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EmberStar

I’ve seen an article (but misplaced it) that seemed to say that Kinder Eggs got caught up as an edge case in a bigger trade dispute. Kind of like how certain plant products are clearly fruit in biological terms, but are legally considered vegetables for purposes of taxation and tariffs. Because someone in a suit says so.

It’s less about “save the children” than it is about “save our monopoly.” And for the record, toys used to be included in Cracker Jacks boxes that were smaller and would have been potentially far easier to ingest than the toy capsules in a Kinder Egg. Now that Cracker Jacks only has weeny little stickers, I know actual adults who have been distracted, poured a handful of caramel corn, and nommed a sticker pack. Complete with cartoon spit take as they reacted to trying to chew up a sticky wad of waxed paper.

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Arktouros

They’re specifically banned because food products aren’t allowed to have non-food products inside of them basically from what I was able to look up. Cracker Jack toys are within the box that contains the product but not the actual product itself.

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McGuffn

Just stick a “includes jagged metal” sticker on the side of the cracker jacks. problem solved.

Even funnier that companies are now shipping food products with jagged metal inside of them.

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Minimalistway

Amazon have Kinder Joy, this is different than Kinder Surprise which what i remember, and thanks for the uranium link, that is interesting.

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McGuffn

They should put uranium in a kinder egg. along with anthrax and live scorpions.

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Akagi

Are you in the US? They still sell them here in Easter Europe. I saw someone buy a couple for his kid, but the downside is now the toys inside are one piece, not like in the olden days where there were a couple of pieces and there were instructions how to put them together…. I miss those innocent days when I was like 5 or 6 and my parents were sitting on both my sides and helping me figure out how to put my prize together.. xD

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Minimalistway

No, in the market they sell different kind of these egg, half chocolate and half toy, so you don’t have to eat the chocolate first to find out what’s inside it, but that’s not what i wanted :-D

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Schmidt.Capela

The one piece thing is likely because there’s a minimum size for toys, or toy parts that can be pried or broken off, that is allowed in products intended for small children. Otherwise it can become a choking hazard.

I know for a fact a lot of toys from my childhood are now banned from being sold as toys for that exact reason.

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silverlock

CVS carries them at least they did for Easter.