PAX West 2020 is still tentatively on amid COVID-19 while GameStop re-opens

    
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PAX West 2020 is still tentatively on amid COVID-19 while GameStop re-opens

Just yesterday on the podcast we were saying that there was no way PAX West was going to happen this year, at least not in a physical sense. The COVID-19 pandemic has thrown a giant monkey wrench into a lot of conventions, even those that are far out on the calendar, and it was hard to imagine that the organizers of the Penny Arcade Expo were going to want to keep pushing forward with the Seattle show.

Well, proves how much we know because the event is still being tentatively planned for Labor Day weekend. The organizers said that they will “continue to monitor the situation and work with health officials at all levels of government, and intend to follow all CDC and WHO guidelines as they are released” but are “optimistic” about the convention happening.

The internet is not buying that this will actually happen. “PAX, I love your conventions, but this is an irresponsible move,” said one fan. Another chimed in, “Please, as a health care provider, please cancel PAX this year for the safety of others. Now isn’t the time.”

It should be noted that one organizer admitted that cancelling is not off the table but that this message should be interpreted as a “wait and see” approach to the convention.

(Ed. note: MOP will not be sending anyone to PAX West in person this year.)

Meanwhile, GameStop is trying to get its stores re-opened as soon as possible, with some locations already welcoming the public. You might recall that GameStop was reluctant in the extreme to shut down in the first place, deeming its services “essential” to the public.

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Jack Pipsam

That’s stupid.

September? In the country with the highest number of active cases and deaths? I saw on the news the footage within New York of the piles and piles of damn body bags as if it’s a movie.
Yikes, how desperate are these dudes to play D&D in front of a crowded stage of people, do they need their egos stroked that much?

I’m actually seriously annoyed at the talk here of lifting restrictions and we’re well on the way currently of the path out of this. But um, rebounds anyone?
It’s like folk don’t understand the rebounding cases is an extremely likely scenario if we’re just quick to hop out of these restrictions in the eagerness to get back to things.

I understand the mainstream media wants to share the ‘uplifting’ news of the good results, but I think this is the time for constant alarmism in the press, keep people on edge. Complacency is deadly.

There’s no two ways about it, Penny Arcade are playing with people’s lives.

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Mordyjuice

What did I miss, sounds like I missed the drama. Well here’s an update from the front lines in my little piece of New York, Cuomo told us we could ask for a new N95 Mask every day, and my employer laughed at us and said we don’t care our policy still stands regarding reuse (yeah they expect my wife and I to reuse N95s until they fall apart), thankfully I’ve got the next 4 days off because we just ran out of Isolation Gowns.

I ran into an old friend that used to shoot the shit with me when I worked overnight Electronics at Walmart, old school geek that had been tinkering with PCs since the Comdore 64 days, got him to play WoW with me for a bit until he had a massive heart attack that laid him up due to lack of energy. Well long story short I got floated to the Coronary Unit last night, one side of the unit is PUI rooms (basically Covid 19 rule out rooms), the other side is people with heart conditions that tested negative for Covid 19. One of my patients was my friend, poor bastard is on a Bipap, he’s bed bound, can’t do shit with out destatting, probably got sent to ICU today to be intubated. I guess before he went down hill he had just built a new system, I9 Water Cooled; he was pretty positive though considering he said at least he didn’t have Covid 19. I mean I was at a loss, what the fuck do you even say to some one you know like this; I mean I’m not going to be honest with guy (he’s probably going to drop dead soon).

The hits just keep coming, feels like I’m living in some horror film directed by David Lynch.

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Bree Royce

It is absolutely mind-boggling that we STILL do not have adequate PPE for you guys. I am so sorry about your friend, Mordy. There are no words.

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Mordyjuice

The world was not prepared, the infrastructure is not there to make enough for the demand; you can’t stockpile things either because eventually N95s will expire and become useless so it’s not like there could have been billions of things waiting to be used.

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Mordyjuice

Heh heh heh, you haven’t seen nothing yet, wait until early Fall when this swings back around, no PPE to replenish what was used, the governments will be complacent and not willing to tank the economy again this (what we’re experiencing now) is just the opening act to the main attraction.

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Bruno Brito

It’s going to be a shitshow. A lot of people don’t realize you can’t end the quarentine just because cases are stable, since it creates a new peak. It ends up killing more people.

This world is a joke.

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Mordyjuice

I find it easier to be an absurdist than a nihilist so you are correct, it is all a joke we’re really no different than the pets we dress up to make me memes man; it’s like that within you is two wolves thing except really it’s all memes within memes within memes (it’s the only way I keep from snapping and drinking again).

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Bruno Brito

Just don’t go full Joker on me, and we’re fine.

And what you missed: We got a quarentine-denier. The guy literally created an account just to rile people in this thread. He never interacted anywhere else.

And he’s a corporate apologist too. Like we don’t have enough of those.

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Mordyjuice

I know I get a lot of shit on this site for minimizing Covid 19 when it was first becoming a thing; really I think subconsciously I and my Co Workers were sort of hoping it was going to be a blip like SARs was in the 00s in the US, you know since we’re stuck in the hot zone.

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Bruno Brito

It’s actually understandable. You’re a healthcare worker, and you want people to be well. Losing jobs, staying at home is a danger to anyone’s mental health, and i foresee a lot of mental issues going forward.

Unfortunately, we’re living in dangerous times. And it’s as serious as we thought it was.

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Malcolm Swoboda

I know, its what I figured (at least out of a few possibilities), and it was totally understandable. You have all the sympathies I can ever give. I’m so sorry.

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EmberStar

You’re a troll. That much is obvious. For the record, no I don’t have a job. I’m not only out of work, there’s no possibility I’m going to GET work. I’m trying to decide which of my stuff might be worth trying to sell on Ebay, and which I’ll have to just throw out if I can’t pay my rent. But you know what? It’s just stuff. I can eventually get more.

If some virus denier shows up at my local grocery story and half my town catches it before anyone knows it’s even frigging here (because a lot of people around here aren’t taking “social distancing” or even the virus seriously yet) and I catch it and DIE, I can’t fix that.

The movie industry, and sit-in resturants and frigging HAIR STYLISTS are going to take it in the shorts on this. Even if the rich idiots that somehow got elected to run things declare that everything is okay, get back to work… things aren’t going to “go back to normal.” This IS the new normal. People are going to be cautious and less willing to do “social gathering” things for MONTHS. And that’s assuming there isn’t a bigger wave of infections when the “back to work” people shout their way to “victory” and people start catching it again.

But there’s no point in further discussion with you. I don’t know who has their hand up your bum, but you sure look like a sock puppet to me. Go put on your show somewhere else.

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EmberStar

Apologies, I appear to have somehow replied to a post that doesn’t actually exist. Since my post doesn’t make tons of sense, feel free to delete it if appropriate.

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Bree Royce

Folks, I don’t know how many times we need to say this, but disinfo about the pandemic continues to not be OK on MOP. Find some other site for that nonsense. We don’t want to host it.

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Bruno Brito

Today i learned that only the US and Mexico has states.

Lol.

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Hikari Kenzaki

Can’t really argue with willful ignorance. It takes all of 3 seconds to find out that’s not the case on google.

As I’ve been told on numerous occasions, “no one wins in forum PvP”

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Bruno Brito

Yep. It’s cute, and it think it’s smart.

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Hikari Kenzaki

New user. Came here just to troll the comments. Not worth the time.

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Bruno Brito

Ah, by the way, boss.

One of my best friends lost his father yesterday. The reason was “respiratory insuficience” which is one of the health issues that got a boost after the outbreak happened.

To avoid any contagion, my friend won’t be able to do the customary funerary rites. His father will be buried without any kind of ritual, and with a closed coffin, which is now, the standard for COVID casualities here in my country. The guy is rightfully devastated, he’s blaming himself, and me and my friends are trying our best to keep him away from self-harming thoughts.

Yet for some reason, i’m the one who doesn’t know anything about the world and am misguided, from someone who shares a The Hill opinion piece with the words “EdUcAtE yOuRsElF”.

If i wasn’t so pissed, i would be wheezing.

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Bree Royce

I’m really sorry for you and your friend, Bruno. :( Sadly, Brazil has the same sort of idiotic leadership running rampant as ours, and therefore a lot of the same problems we do. But also the same sorts of smart regional leaders trying to step in the black hole left at the top. Full empathy. I hope your family is OK.

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Bruno Brito

Our issue is a bit more complicated because Brazil doesn’t have the state being independent thingy that allows them to manage properly. Brazil is a pretty centralized country, and our “leader” is trying his best ( which isn’t a lot, the guy is incompetence incarnate ) to undermine the quarentine, and the states governments, to the point where most of the regional leaders started to gather without him.

Oh, and he decided it would be nice to do another rally near the palace. In the rally, he said, between coughs and sneezes, that they didn’t need anything.

Darwin it is.

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Andrew Clear

That is what I like about America, how the states have control over most of the virus response. This will allow for different responses over the next few months, and some will be better than others, and it “should” lead to good policy down the line.

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Andrew Clear

Sorry for your friends loss, and I would argue that he should be able to have funeral rites, and it is a shame that places are not allowing that.

My mother is high risk, and I am sure once she gets it she will die. She is already on oxygen, due to her lifetime of smoking. Her lungs are shot. She doesn’t go out, by my brother lives with her, and he goes out to get the groceries. So, I understand more than you think, and I fear for my mom. The only hope she has is if there are treatments developed by the time she contracts it.

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cursedseishi

News alert here

Don’t make assumptions on who is and isn’t flagging your trash. It isn’t just Bruno, nor does anyone actually have to flag a disgusting piece of toxic rhetoric to have it deleted like it deserves or locked.

You don’t like it? You can leave. You have ZERO rights here, just like everyone else.

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And to make it clear, flagging doesn’t automatically delete a post. It brings the post flagged to the attention of a moderator like Bree.

And just like Bree said? You’re a troll who deserves those deletions.

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Andrew Clear

I think GameStop was being harrassed for no reason. They can easily deem them selves essential, if Tobacco stores, Alcohol stores, and Pot shops are deemed essential. Now, of course, they were deemed essential because they are highly taxed and the government wants that money. Some would argue it is because those substances are addicting, but then again, games are as well, so you couldn’t deny that. But, the reality is, they are taxed all to hell (and even places like Michigan, where you can’t buy paint or garden supplies you can buy lottery tickets, which of course, sends a lot of money to the state).

So, I would say, leave GameStop alone.

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Bruno Brito

If we’re talking about medicinal pot, yeah, it’s essential.

Alcohol, Tobacco nor Gamestop are essential goods.

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Bree Royce

The rationale for opening things like liquor stores was so that addicts didn’t suffer severe withdrawal during involuntary detox. Changed my opinion on it when I heard that explained from my state’s top health expert. Same with why the needle exchanges stayed open. This is not something you could know, Bruno, since you don’t live here, but our good “leave GameStop alone” friend could have easily just Googled one of a thousand articles on it – if he weren’t just trolling.

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Bree Royce

I realize you’re brand-new here so you probably missed the reporting on Gamestop’s reckless disregard for the health and safety of both its workers and customers. There’s a really good reason to distrust this company and mock the idea that it’s an essential retail business.

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Hikari Kenzaki

Opening too early is bad and not based on science. The converse argument that any sort of relaxing of social distancing before 2021 is bad is also, not based on any sort of science. We simply don’t know what it will be like in 4, 6, or 12 months.

Seattle was hit early enough and hard enough that it’s conceivable that some relaxing of social distancing rules would be in effect by late August. ECCC is also tentatively rescheduled for the week prior to PAX. The PAX group that manages the con side of Penny Arcade really isn’t hurting for money, but some smaller conventions are one bad year away from no longer existing.

There’s nothing particularly wrong with holding up PAX as a hopeful light at the end of the tunnel as long as they cancel and refund if it’s still the responsible thing to do in 2-3 months.

But by responsible, I don’t just mean, how are things going in Seattle and Washington, but also, how will it be having people coming from around the world to attend what may be the only large con this year? There probably isn’t a scenario where this ends up being wise, because some countries (and US States) are only just now feeling the effects of the virus.

TL:DR: I think they will ultimately cancel PAX, but there isn’t really anything wrong with hoping they don’t have to do so.

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Eamil

I agree with you, and I think it’s also worth noting that a lot of advance preparation goes into these events. It’s better for them to proceed as if it’s going to happen until they’re sure it won’t than to cancel now and realize in three months when it’s too late to organize the convention that WHOOPS we can hold a show after all!

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Bree Royce

Yeah, I think they’ll be forced to cancel when they can’t actually bring in vendors or sell tickets anyway. No way is Seattle gonna be in a better spot than Cologne by August.

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Hikari Kenzaki

I agree that PAX will most likely be canceled. It’s more the knee jerk reaction in the comments that anything not being canceled is suddenly evil. Both extremes of thinking aren’t based in fact.
The fact is, we won’t stop the spread, only slow it. Most of us will get it. That’s not really in doubt. It’s more about making sure our medical system can handle it.

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Bree Royce

Personally, I just don’t trust the PA people anymore. They should’ve shut down East and didn’t. It makes their motives for West a bit suspect. But we’re months away, so no point freaking out yet, agreed.

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Bruno Brito

I wonder if the people who actively makes the money from these events are in any way, shape or form, even trying to hide they have almost no conscience about what’s happening.

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Marty Woods

Anyone who considers going into anywhere were people gather en masse in the next six months to a year is putting their lives and the lives of their family at risk . This is far from over . I don’t know why anyone would want to risk going into Gamestop when they can buy games online or to a convention that might lead to their death or the death of a loved one .

Fortunately in my country they are probably closing down bars , restaurants , cinemas etc possibly until Christmas . While there are detracting voices in the government who want to reopen the economy sooner opinion polls show public support for keeping the lockdown going as long as needed is regularly between between 80-90 percent of the population .

The logic being closing the lockdown too early will just result in multiple peaks and multiple lockdowns which may be far more damaging to the economy than dealing with it in one fowl swoop . Countries that try to come out of it too soon may suffer a longer period of economic uncertainty and a greater loss of life .

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Java Jawa

How’s that possible, it’s not an essential business and from what I’m aware of most states are still under lockdown.

Not to mention the CDC, WHO, and state Health leaders are giving daily updates on what to expect.

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EmberStar

Rich people in charge are starting to panic that they’re losing money. At least one US state governor (or Lt gov, don’t know don’t care) has gone on record as saying that “some things are more important than living” and that we need to start the economy going again as soon as possible. Spoken like a rich white dude who can’t imagine he won’t have access to whatever health care he needs if he *does* get sick. And also that the only time he really notices “the people” is when he looks down to see what he’s stepping on.

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Eamil

You can’t predict what the situation is going to be in four months and it’s a lot harder to un-cancel an event a month before it’s supposed to happen than to proceed as though it’s going to happen and then cancel it anyway a month before the date.

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Andrew Clear

I 100% agree with you.

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Andrew Clear

It will be possible because many states are opening back up next week. I don’t know about my state yet, but since Georgia is opening up, we probably will too. De Santis (Florida’s Governor) was really reluctant to issue a state wide order. He left to a local decision at first, and my county, Orange (home of Oranldo), did issue a stay at home order for 2 weeks, weeks ago. During the 2nd week of that order, De Santis then issued a 30 day stay at home order. So far, he isn’t resuming it, but he did state that schools will remain closed (and really, is there a point to send them back to school for only 2 weeks or so?).

I would think it would be possible for them to open up stores in smaller cities, that are not being hit hard as well.

No one really knows what is going to happen once the states open up. But, considering we had more cases and deaths after the lockdown, I doubt much is going to happen in a positive or negative direction. Probably going to continue having cases and deaths for some months, until the virus works its way through the population. Doesn’t matter if we stay at home or not.

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Bruno Brito

But, considering we had more cases and deaths after the lockdown,

We didn’t had more cases after the lockdown, you insufferable idiot. More cases SHOWED UP after the lockdown, because 1- people aren’t respecting the lockdown, 2- the lockdown came too late, and 3- no one was prepared for this shit.

Doesn’t matter if we stay at home or not.

It DOES fucking matter, and look at what Mordy posted. The guy is killing himself trying his best to fight for your idiotic ass. STAY AT YOUR FUCKING HOME. I DON’T CARE IF YOU KILL YOURSELF INSIDE. BUT STAY INSIDE.

We don’t need YOU being a fucking detriment to someone we actually care about. You can go fuck yourself. But i want Mordy safe, and i’m sure as hell not allowing your denying ass to run rampant here.

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Malcolm Swoboda

I, too, like to announce or implement optimistic plans to stay/go open while thousands a day still die.

That said, Gamestop are the much worse actors in this article.