Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen’s pre-alpha will launch by the holidays – but you can’t afford it

Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen fans viewing the team demoing the game at TwitchCon this past week were delighted to hear one surprise announcement: the confirmation of a pre-alpha test coming by the end of this year.

“We’re happy to announce today that pre-alpha will be here in time for the holidays,” the team said. However, don’t get too excited thinking that this will open up the game to a large group of players. The buy-in for Pantheon’s pre-alpha is a $1,000 minimum purchase as of right now.

The team spent most of the stream showing off the gameplay and finding new and horrific ways to wipe. “It’s a new game, lot of new features, lot of new ideas,” said Brad McQuaid. “But we’re trying to bring back the social element, the challenge. Most of the content is built around grouping.”

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draugris

lol, a pre-alpha a “cherry on top” ? i don´t know if you ever participated in a real alpha or beta test. This is first of all an awful lot of work if done correctly. From the many ways to choose proper testers for a game pantheon chose the worst….

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hoylegu

Well said, and I completely agree.

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Denice J. Cook

Just in case you thought Brad McQuaid’s reputation couldn’t sink any lower, here’s the newest Pantheon blurb. ;)

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Raimo Kangasniemi

Let the Whales bleed and test the game, they are not an endangered species in gaming.

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Stropp

P.T. Barnum was right. There is a sucker born every minute.

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oldandgrumpy

Not sure I understand the interest in a pre-alpha but there must be some and they must be willing to pay. Just goes to prove that Captain Ahab is alive and well in the games industry :)

I am a backer btw and from what I remember the beta was already sold out. It was part of some of the packages for the game but had a hard cap on numbers.

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agemyth 😩

I have no problems with crazy expensive “Pay2QA” phases. I wish it could stay expensive or just closed until stress testing is needed, but that is not currently how MMO development tends to go.

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Solaris

I backed Pantheon the day after Kickstarter failed. I paid about 20% of going rate (plus my pledge is loaded). Looking forward to pre-alpha!

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kelem

Hi ;) I am happy about the Pre Alpha testing phase to begin before Christmas as well ! :) As far as loot boxes, exclusive packages etc, there is no such thing in Pantheon. VR has made it very clear that no store or items that would give player advantage will be in Pantheon. The only reason VR has decided to stop the monthly payments on pledges allowing Pre Alpha / Testing access is to curb exploits where one would make a few payments just to get into Testing and then later stop payments. This actually is a great idea from my perspective. It helps to weed out those who are not serious about actually testing the game. We have to remember these pledges are not for early access to just play the game. Testing is taken very serious by VR and rightly so. We as players should take it serious as well and not just use it for bragging rights of being able to play early. VR wants to bring back a challenging game for us players who have been longing for a serious MMORPG, one that will be around and challenging for years. A good release is crucial and that lies on the shoulders of testers. Vanguard is a good example of what happens when and awesome game is rushed into release. Let’s not make that same mistake twice just because we want to jump in and play. I applaud VR for their stance. It takes balls to not cave in to the masses and just allow the game to be exploited and released with even more bugs, etc.. Please try to be more understanding of how VR is doing it’s best to bring us all a great game that will bring people together for years to come, just like EQ did. Thanks guys ! :)

Kelem

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I can afford it, but I’m not stupid. Loot boxes, early access, exclusive packages, blah blah blah. It is always something.

They preach about bringing back the old school, but this is certainly a modern tactic to suck money out of peoples pockets before you have a product that can stand on two legs.

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Willow Signe

It’s a crowdfunded game. The pledge packages included various rewards for funding them, it’s not like they are charging $1,000.00 just to get slightly faster access to testing.

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kofteburger

That’s my secret cap, I can’t afford anything.

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MesaSage

#RentorRise

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Russell Hunt

Really wish this was out now. This and CU only mmo’s I’m looking forward to.

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thalendor

Despite the focus on the admittedly ridiculous buy-in, I’m happy to see things are moving along and pre-alpha is right around the corner.

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Greaterdivinity

The buy-in for Pantheon’s pre-alpha is a $1,000 minimum purchase as of right now.

Literally fuck off. I get that buying into alpha/beta testing (which used to be a service that developers were super happy to have folks provide them for free) is a thing now, but…really? $1K for pre-alpha?

I’ve been pretty positive about Pantheon for a while, but this puts a damper on it. Not a fan of these kinds of practices at all.

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Willow Signe

You understand this is a crowdfunded games and the various pledge packages have lots of different perks, not just pre-alpha? Anyone who pledges anything is going to get some form of testing access, the 1k plus people are just considered Friends and Family and will be in first. Now if this were a AAA studio with millions at their disposal charging for this kind of access then your obviously hyperbolic outrage would be justified.

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Greaterdivinity

I understand that, but I still think the pricing is beyond ludicrous. I’m not opposed to granting alpha/beta access as a perk, but $1K starting price for pre-alpha access? That’s insane.

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Willow Signe

Maybe, but you can get two copies of the game plus beta access for and some other in-game stuff for a $100, which seems like a decent deal to me. I don’t think most of the people who spent a grand did it for pre alpha, unless they have never tested an MMO before.

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Adam Barnes

I have no issue with this. Are people really clamoring to get into a pre-alpha? If you’re dropping 1k on a supporter pack for the game, I suspect the main reason is because you care about seeing the game come to fruition and have the disposable income to afford it. The perks are nice to have, but you don’t drop 1k and think “yea, I’m getting my money’s worth here”.

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Alberto

They don’t want anymore people buying in so the crazy price..that the only thing that makes sense to me. I mean Ashes is like what $250?

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Barantor

I was in an alpha for another game…. Vanguard: Saga of Heroes…. this price is ridiculous and they should just not offer it at all IMO.

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borghive

Not a big deal really, just wait and pay the normal price when the game is complete and ready to ship. On another note, the fact that people are willing to pay that price kind of shows had sad our genre is now. So many players out there are desperate for a more traditional MMO.

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Melissa McDonald

And we got out pitchforks over LOTRO charging 80 bucks just to get the high elf race (along with the Mordor expansion and a slew of other trinkets and buffs). *chuckles*

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Schlag Sweetleaf

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Oleg Chebeneev

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Schlag Sweetleaf

Blast from the past :)

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Mark Mealman

“Corpse runs are a good thing.”, cheats out of the mechanic by typing /immortal in the chat window.

“When MMO’s where challenging”, translation: when the challenge of MMOs was spending 1 hour to find a group only to have it disband half way to the dungeon.

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borghive

Having some downtime in a MMO is good though. The problem with modern MMOs is that everyone wants to save the world in 30 minute play sessions, they want to be engaged from the moment they log on in meaningful activities. This is a huge problem for developers these days because they can’t keep pace with content when it is being consumed around this design model.
The reality is many players that claim they don’t have time to play actually put way more hours in than they think, hence the reason why so many modern MMO players are cylical these days. They just move from one MMO to another consuming content faster than it can be created never really putting down roots in anywhere. I really think this is why many MMO communities these days just are lacking, there really isn’t any “stickiness” as Brad said anymore.

I think a slower progression MMO will do quite well in today’s market, because there really isn’t anything like it with modern graphics.

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dixa

that’s not the issue and methinks you didn’t play the older games very much.

what the person you responded to commented on is a real problem and one of the main reasons why mmorpgs started to include soloable content. it is impossible to properly balance all classes. there will be underachieving classes and those classes will have players.

those players will have no one to play with. even if the class is actually ok, community drivel and perceptions will make them the proverbial “sitting at the town crier all day shouting for a group”

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ceder

Failed kickstarter. Upsets team pocketing 45k pledges outside of KS(as articles have cited), and has said team leave. Grabs some volunteers and an entire family who formerly was working on a judeo/Christian religious mmo to run development and has them all leave months later. Throws out unity store assets for years in clips showing “progress” and now this.

Nope.

Xijit
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Xijit

Really now …

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Xijit
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Xijit

… In other news, Project Gorgon is completely free during development (lets see how things change when it huts steam, but for now it is still free) and the most fun I have had in a MMO in years.

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Solaris

PG is a worthy MMO for sure.

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Mitzruti

but fae aren’t in yet? i think. haven’t been following too closely.

is there much in the way of things that would help you prep for a character of an as-yet unreleased race? (given that, afaik, it’d require rerolling and losing all progress)

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Xijit

They have two types of Elves, and a cat people race, but I haven’t paid enough attention to the game to know more than that.

… then talk quite a bit about the Orcs in the game lore and stuff, so I am sure they are coming soon as well.

borghive
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borghive

Project Gorgon is a lot of fun, I just wish it looked a little bit better graphically.

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camren_rooke

Graphics Update on its way and UI update just dropped as I hear it.

Xijit
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Xijit

Try it: I just yesterday started playing after writing it off over and over again for the crappy graphics … They really don’t matter because the game plays super smooth, and the low poly-ish models are kind of charming after all the eye porn games that can’t back up the gfx with gameplay.

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camren_rooke

It seriously reminds me of Asherons Call.

borghive
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borghive

Oh I play it, I got around 30-40 hours into it atm, I like a lot of what the game has to offer, a true RPG really.

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MrNastyButler

Can you pay in Monopoly money?

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squidgod2000

Sounds to me like they want some fresh eyes, but know they can’t handle a big influx of players. Back in the day developers would just invite a few forum fanboys, but since the industry realized they could monetize bug-testing, it’s little surprise that the price would keep creeping up.

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Oleg Chebeneev

If I had 1000$ to spare I would rather smartly spend it on Star CItizen’s Idris

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A Dad Supreme

So you’d rather spend $1,000 on an imaginary concept ship that isn’t even in a game yet that isn’t complete vs $1,000 on testing a game that isn’t complete yet?

I don’t see a difference in your logic, sir.

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Oleg Chebeneev

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Bree Royce

At least he could resell the Idris? :P

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oldandgrumpy

True while the grey market holds up.

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Reht

He could also sell the account with pre-alpha access

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Paarthurnax Dragonhearth

Ohh just fork it over, you all know you are dumb sheep !

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David Goodman

Whenever I hear someone brag about a game having “new features / new ideas” without listing what those features are, I am inevitably disappointed to find that it’s something that other games have tried – or tried and discarded – already.

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Willow Signe

https://pantheonmmo.com/game/pantheon_difference/

Posting this for you, but you probably won’t read it.

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mistressbrazen

The whole idea of charging for early access has gotten ridiculous. This seems to be a lazy substitute for trying to get real funding from venture capitalists or whichever entities normally fund game development. Even if a player has the discretionary funds to pay at that level, he or she should at least insist on equity based funding. I do wonder when players will reach the “enough is enough” point.

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A Dad Supreme

Don’t think of it as a “paid alpha test”. Think of it as an investment into a future employment position into the gaming industry.

Eastridge Workforce Solutions – Santa Clara, CA
$14 – $16 an hour
“Eastridge Workforce Solutions is seeking an experienced Video Game Compliance Tester for a leading developer of interactive entertainment in the Santa Clara, CA area.”

REQUIRED EXPERIENCE

12 months experience with successful track record in game Quality Assurance position
6 months experience with 1st party standards (TRC, TCR, Lotcheck)
Comprehensive understanding of the test process and cycle
PlayStation 3, PlayStation 4, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Nintendo Switch, Nintendo 3DS and/or PC testing.

Job Type: Full-time
Salary: $14.00 to $16.00 /hour
Required experience:
Compliance Testing: 1 year
Quality Assurance: 1 year

Pay $1,000 to get into alpha (which we know will never end). Test and debug Patheon. Get a personal letter of recommendation from Brad McQuaid (much better than a vial of blood!) that you did a good job. Apply for new job with Eastridge. Get hired and make a whopping… $30k a year while living in a cardboard box in Santa Clara!

camren_rooke
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camren_rooke

16 bucks and hour and living anywhere in CA?

Who can do that?

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Bree Royce

– Spouses of people who do make a living wage. (See: most game writers.)
– Millennials who are stuck living in mom’s basement because of the economies.
– People willing to live in a tiny apartment with seven roommates.
– Remote employees who live somewhere where $14 will actually get them by.
– Somebody who needs corporate health insurance more than a high income.

That said, anybody with those qualifications could make much more at so many other companies that I dunno why they’d do this.

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dixa

the pay rates in silicon valley are not keeping up with gentrification. My house in san jose was purched for 18k in 1973 and is now worth 1.7 million.

but my grocery markets have no employees. while these tech fuckers are willing to pay that much for their house, they are not willing to pay their fair share more for eggs and milk so supermarkets can offer a decent wage.

then these same entitled tech fuckers whine loudly when they are in a long ass line at the only cashier that the store needs to hire more people. news flash you entitled dick: the store doesn’t even get ANY APPLICATIONS, one person shows up to the job fair you advertised for months all over and on the internet and he actually has three degrees in computer sciences but he can’t find a job because tech wants him to already have 20 years of experience, meaning your applicant is both overqualified and unmotivated.

this is not limited to supermarkets. all services industries are suffering critical shortages of labor in SF and silicon valley. but pay an extra dollar per dozen for eggs? rally the troops and protest!!!

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camren_rooke

Cripes. They should come to Atlanta and go work at Hi Rez or any other other small startups.

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Camben

You won’t get too far at Hi-Rez in Alpharetta being paid $14-16/hr either, unless you fit into one of those catagories that Bree mentioned. Though you could get by with four roommates instead of seven. Rent in all of the popular outskirt metro areas has skyrocketed over the past couple of years.

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A Dad Supreme

You can live there easily on that salary.

Just not in a house, apartment or any covered space.

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camren_rooke

Way I understand it for that price you have to share a cardboard box with three other people.

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Alyn

I’m feeling we need to be wise about enticements such as the ones we are seeing with many development studios these days. Money’s tight are we sure this is a wise investment?

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venatis

Oh no, MOP, I can afford it, I’m just not stupid.

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Robert Mann

Meh, when they have a normal cost for a game sans x-pacs, and if I am interested at that point, would be the soonest it matters to me… although if I do look at rewards tiers for insane spending I often find my interest reduced or eliminated.

Yeah, $1k by comparison better get me a lifetime. LOTRO’s wasn’t that long ago, at 2-300. There’s zero chance of me spending $10k for that. Additionally, at $1k or $3k I’d expect far more than 6mo./1yr. sub time for this to even be considered.

At least the rewards tiers don’t upset me too much with regard to what impact those buying would have on me… scant good that is for these.

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pepperzine

Hahahahaha…this pre-alpha, alpha, early access, closed beta, open beta bs has gotten so insane. For now, if a game is selling access in any way I’m just going to consider it launched and judge it as if it as.

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camren_rooke

Why for 20 grand we will let you in on the conceptualization meetings.

I’m pretty sure EA or Ubisoft will run with this concept and require people to PAY to work for them in developing games.

And even then, their paystub will have a lootbox mechanism. “Could be your paycheck plus 10 percent but odds are its another 20% coupon for Faygo Orange soda.”

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Dušan Frolkovič

You also participate in the workplace lottery, where each week you have a chance to get a seat at a different location! (Travel and accomodation expenses not included of course)

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Ryan Goodman

Wow, aren’t we all just super glad that this whole “crowdfunding” and “kickstarter” thing is the wave of the future?!

As someone already said: remember the good old days when games were completed, then tested, by professionals, and then released?

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ceder

1k to play the pre alpha of a unity store asset game? Designer Vincent Napoli’s accusations concerning Brad’s “bad habit” from years ago(cited in a Kotaku article from 2008) become more and more compelling and perhaps explain this desperation.

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BalsBigBrother

Oh boy :-( Remember when developers used to pay QA teams to test and make sure things were working as intended during the development of a game. I miss those days /sigh

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Darthbawl

They have a $10,000 Tier… *choke*

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Tamanous

I’ve seen that tier in nearly every crowd funded game I’ve followed.

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camren_rooke

Not gonna be a lot of grouping with a 1k buy-in.

Not sayin anything, just sayin.

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Robert Mann

I would think so too, but if there is one thing people have recently proven numbers below $25,000 will see people buying. :( Seems like a lot to spend on a single game to me…

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borghive

There are tons of whales out there just look at this article, a $1000 is nothing for a lot of players. http://www.pcgamer.com/ea-pushing-for-more-open-world-games-because-you-can-monetise-them-better-says-ex-bioware-dev/

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A Dad Supreme

Have to agree with Robert here. There will more than likely get the number of people they are looking to have sign up for this.
After all, there are people who are “star struck” and this is a chance to possibly talk to (and dare we dream, maybe SEE) Brad McQuaid on one of his projects.
Celebrity sells a lot of things and although we might think it’s kind of nuts, there are people who will look at this as a bargain.
Again, people bought locks of hair and blood from Garriott for about the same money or maybe more. I can’t imagine this as a worse thing.

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camren_rooke

I COULD afford it but I really don’t understand why, there is nothing listed in the rewards that even remotely justifies it.

Heck, give the 1k donation to Puerto Rico aid and play Project Gorgon for FREE.

but yeah….

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