Black Desert partners up with controversial exploiter, community explodes

The Black Desert community is up in arms this week after Pearl Abyss highlighted one of the game’s Twitch streamers as a “featured partner.” So what is the big deal with promoting BladeBoques, the game’s first Level 60 player on a North American server?

To get the answer to this, you have to rewind the clock to July 2017, when BladeBoques was banned twice for exploiting the game. He set off a firestorm of controversy on the forums when he attempted to defend his actions, resulting in the community calling him out on alleged lies and spinning. The thread dealing with his exploiting reached an astounding 117 pages when all was said and done.

Ergo, you might understand why the community is a little sore at a known exploiter receiving public acclaim from the studio. This is particularly troubling in light of how Black Desert has developed a reputation for allowing exploiters, cheaters, and hackers to run rampant through the sandbox MMO without any serious consequences.

“So is this like a new low?” one player asked. “I mean, we partnered an exploiter. Holy s**t, this company is a joke!”

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Not spending another cent on this game because of their support of a known exploiter. Joke game, joke company.

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Paragon Lost

“the community calling him out on alleged lies and spinning.” -Justin

Spinning, Justin? As in Spin class? ;) Damn the man for spinning!

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Veldan

Did it once, hated it, it’s so much nicer to be outside on an actual bike

Then again, I’m Dutch, so a slight bias may be present :)

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Utakata

“‘So is this like a new low?’ one player asked. ‘I mean, we partnered an exploiter. Holy s**t, this company is a joke!'”

…no, not really. And we really shouldn’t be surprised by this now. For folks like him can run for highest offices in the land and win. Thusly, we’ve entered a world where what ends up on the the bottom of the barrel, tends to float all the way up to the top. /bleh

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wandrim

No we are in a world where guilt is presumed, and prosecuted socially regardless of truth and what actually happened. Scandal and clicks are what matters. What is sad is that elements in the BDO gaming community know this well and are using the same witch-hunting in modern social discourse in a deliberate and malicious way. It is disgusting and shameful. This entire thing has been largely manufactured from start to finish

If I recall correctly to what I read back when the controversy happened, the reason blade boques was never banned is because he had reported the exploits to the developers.

Once a lie is out there and backed by the media it then can be just painted as “folks like him” and parroted a million times by the mob without it ever being questioned. If you maybe take 5 minutes to look at any of his content I doubt anyone could come to the conclusion that blade boques is anything other than a decent guy who actually did some good things for the BDO game community.

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Utakata

“No we are in a world where guilt is presumed, and prosecuted socially regardless of truth and what actually happened. Scandal and clicks are what matters. “

Dunno. maybe it’s me…I could of sworn that one of my pigtails detected a dog whistle being blown there. o.O

That said though, this isn’t a court of law. So “presumption” is all we really have. And if the person affected here believes he has been that maligned, maybe he should take it to one. But until such time and proven otherwise, I am going to presume old fashioned’ly that most folks don’t like cheats. Especially when they are perceived to be rewarded. /shrug

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Sushi Maru

What a nothing-burger story. The community didn’t know or care until media outlets starting beating on this dead horse again. Blades was involved in a very, VERY minor “exploit”, that no one can prove , and he has denied, he did intentionally. However he was still punished for it, and that was it. Someone sees a story here and wants to drag it all up again.

Anyone who is against Blades being featured on Twitch…why? He is a very active BDO player and streamer, I mean it is like the guys life. Why not feature him? Because of some misdemeanor offense? A speeding ticket? Thats like if your friend got denied from a job because she got pulled over for a traffic violation 10 years ago, and you agree she should be punished for it the rest of her life.

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I was doing farm stuff once when he just randomly came up and started chatting. It was weird.

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Joshua Dickerson

I usually try to come at BDO with a neutral position but even I had to comment on this on the forums.

“I would say write a clear (and mature) consensus letter to the CMs/GMs concerning this.

I usually try to stay positive or neutral in most situations but this case I would say the community has a valid argument to voice their concern to Kakao/PA about this streamer being promoted as a preferred partner.

But I would caution, whoever drafts this letter please write it in as much of a mature and business type tone as possible. Leave emotions and name calling and assumptions out of it. Lay out concretely why this is a bad idea and why this streamer should not represent the game or its community with a history of his transgressions. Refrain from flaming, name calling and relying on statements that are assumptions.

I like BDO and have nothing personal against the CMs and GMs that communicate with us here on the forums. But I do believe this is one huge error in PR judgment on their end.

I know today a lot of MMO developers lean on streamers to do their PR for them because it saves them a lot of resources in the marketing area. But I also believe as a business you should be very careful of who you choose to represent your company/product, no matter how much potential market base the streamer has access to,”

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Toy Clown

That’s one thing that bugs me about BDO, is that many of the people can easily become threatened and jealous when others do better than themselves and are extremely quick to strick if someone stumbles, working hard to bury the person under a mountain of rubbish that isn’t true.

BDO is very competitive and full of people who haven’t had experiences in the real world yet, and especially have a lot of hormonal awakenings. (I’m putting it mildly, okay.)

BladeBoques has always been a favorite of mine in BDO, mostly because he’s made a lot of youtube guides that helped me learn the game. He is easy to understand, put things in layman’s terms, and didn’t drone on and on. I learned how to set up a work empire from watching his series of videos.

I’ve seen people pop into world chat, creating accounts with names similar to his and spewing weird stuff all over the place. Several players believed it was the real Blade and ran with it. As mentioned below, the guy was only ever guilty of tossing two workers on a node, which he did publicly. He was banned for a short time, came back and he never exploited again.

People are really harsh in BDO and don’t speak from what they know, but what everyone else tells them. That’s been my experiences anyway.

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Bruno Brito

He exploited. He gets the boot. I don’t think he should be demonized but i do think he shouldn’t be publically exalted either. Guides or no.

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Yoshi Senpai

Dude was caught in his stream exploiting and banned by the devs.

Get out of here with the imposter and he only did a little exploit crap.

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Atomictoaster

Iam playing this game for 1 month more or less and i still have no idea whats the appeal of this game beside the graphic, character model and the gameplay (battle)

maybe because because i still at early level? (lvl 37) and using op equip? my weapon is max out at +15 because for some reason when i login in this game for the first time i had a mail with 50 million in-game money attached to it so i just follow one of the beginner guide from internet and just follow through it.

to the point i write this, all enemy that i met except boss pretty much dead within 1-4 hits so unlike those cool combo vid that i saw in youtube, all i did is just using the same skill over and over because there is no point doing chain skill if enemy pretty much dead in 2 hit or less

or is it the “life social” activity is the selling point of this game? iam not a “crafting” person when it come it, in mmorpg i just want to do the story, questing and enjoying the combat. but 70% in this game when i see other people, they just busy either fishing, lifting something, on carriage going somewhere, and crafting something (“using pole to hit something” animation)

if its the later then i guess iam playing the wrong game =/

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Arktouros

For most game veterans, leveling 1-56 is a joke. It’s more of a chore than anything at this stage which is why they have made it very easy to do so. At 56 you get your Awakening which, depending on class, is where your class actually starts.

A lot of the later area enemies that are designed for 56+ have varying degrees of difficulty. In fact level becomes irrelevant after a while and all that will matter is what your gear score is such as how much AP/DP you have to kill and survive the mobs.

However majority of PvE is pretty basic. There’s a few classes that are more complex than others for grinding, but many people prefer the brain dead easy classes because when you need to grind for 100’s of hours it’s best to not have to work too hard for it.

This changes in PvP however where you have to properly manage your skills and abilities to not only deal damage and CC but also protect yourself using Super Armor and Forward Guards/Blocks. This is where the game gets most of it’s “appeal” in the PvP crowd as the combat is fun and challenging. It’s also why there has been so much uproar recently, cause they changed a lot of CC/Defense for characters in PvP.

The crafting/lifeskills portion to the game appeals to people because they can do it AFK. I can be at work right now and have my guy AFK fishing and generating income so when I come home later he’ll be full of stuff. That is the appeal to that side of the game, just another source of revenue to improve their gear.

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Atomictoaster

ah so this game is more toward pvp? pvp is not really my thing, hope its not like archeage where people can just pvp you out of nowhere

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Zaikurron

you can get pked after hitting lvl 50

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Veldan

This is what every Asian game does after a while though, give newbies OP equipment. It completely ruined the new char experience in Aion and Tera for me too. Everything was stupid easy because you are being handed top tier equipment left and right.

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Zaikurron

+15 is not op by any stretch

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Atomictoaster

kind of like mobile game eh? you got 5* weapon or UR character after finishing the tutorial as a “reward” only later you found that 5* and UR is actually the lowest quality of that tier

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Arktouros

Okay so let me give you a little guide to the Black Desert community.

First of all, probably the most actual toxic game community I have ever seen. I never turn off world chat or general chat, and this is the first game I’ve ever had to at least hide it away on a second tab because it’s like toxicity given physical form. There’s no point where people aren’t memeing or trolling each other and easily one of their favorite targets is to take on/tear down anyone who’s even remotely relevant in the community. So unless you see twitch videos about it, multiple official forum posts, and reddit complaining about it then it’s usually not as big of an issue as you might think.

Blade Boques is an old story at this point, but it’s a corpse everyone likes to trot out to be beaten again. The guy put two workers on a node and made bit extra cash in game. His net gains couldn’t possibly be more than a couple hours grinding. He already lost majority of his viewer base as a twitch streamer and has never really recovered as a result. To say he paid for his minor exploiting of system clocks (yes, really) is kinda an understatement. To try to even put him in the same league as the Hystria hackers is extremely laughable.

The reality is that the people who tipped this story are people who wanted something like this to be made so they can, in turn, relink in the thread that it’s “news” even though it’s a non thing. The community didn’t explode. It didn’t even register a blip on Reddit. More people cared about the Sea Monster musket bug than they did featuring Blade.

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Veldan

Net gains is irrelevant tbh. What’s relevant is whether or not he intentionally exploited. The thread seems to indicate that yes, he knew what he was doing, and yet kept it going for a long time. There’s no excuse for such behaviour, and such people deserve to have their reputations ruined and should never ever be given support from the game’s company.

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Arktouros

Net gains are absolutely relevant.

It’s the reason why in society we don’t treat grand theft the same as petty theft or the same reason why we don’t equate murderers to financial fraud. What is undocumented in that thread is the individuals who used the same exploit, which for the record was basically moving your system clock ahead because the game was coded to look at your local system clock for worker tasks, and used it on the nodes that generate gold bars. They would have 20+ workers working on a single bar yield node generating mass amounts of wealth.

The cost of doing that was yes, he received a temporary ban, the scant millions he made in value were removed from his account, and his reputation was absolutely trashed into the mud. He went from around a thousand viewers on Twitch each stream to less than 300, a good chunk of which are just toxic memers looking to jab at him. His debt for his actions have clearly been paid and it’s time to move on.

The benefits of partnership are, basically, non existent. Existing partners have commented on that regularly where they, once in a while, get a DM from Kakao asking their community’s opinion on something. Treating Kakao featuring him like some huge boon is just silly. It’s people getting worked up over nothing which anyone who actually plays the game is aware of.

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Robert Mann

I disagree. I’m more concerned with the character of a person if they are going to be involved in something official. To that end, I have stopped buying or playing games I already own from a couple AAA studios over such things.

I believe that there is room for people to change, but that requires some acknowledgement of the wrong and their own actions at the least. This guy… continues to play it off as if he didn’t know which is about as believable as saying “Oh, I just go into my system clock and change it around for giggles frequently.” Yeah, no. Just no. Get out of here with that.

He steps up and owns it, and then takes seriously going forward the lesson in ethics, and I’d be willing to deal with this. Without that? Nope.

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Veldan

Your analogy is a false one. There was no theft in this exploit, it was someone generating wealth alone, apart from other players, something not possible in real life. On top of that, we weren’t discussing punishment, but rather the fact that the guy is featured by the game.

I agree that the guy was punished enough with a temp ban + removal of gains. I do not agree that it is therefore fine to feature him. Let me make a real life analogy here. In real life, if you commit a crime, and sit out the sentence, you still have a criminal record, which has implications for the rest of your life. You would not be able to enter any position that requires you to be an example of good behaviour.

The same way, in my opinion, if someone cheated or exploited and got a temporary ban over it, afterwards they should never be eligible for being featured. I don’t care what featuring means for the featured person, the game should protect its own name and not have it tied to exploiters, ever.

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Bruno Brito

In real life, if you commit a crime, and sit out the sentence, you still have a criminal record, which has implications for the rest of your life. You would not be able to enter any position that requires you to be an example of good behaviour.

And this is a terrible idea.

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Robert Mann

I agree that lifetime is the wrong idea. I do think remorse, owning the mistakes, and showing you have become more ethical need to come before something like being featured though… and this streamer is not there. With a 0/3 score, I don’t believe there’s room for this without leaving a lot of gamers unwilling to deal with the company.

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Arktouros

The analogy was correct, you seem to have misunderstood it as it simply used the comparison of different levels of theft rather than imply any theft occurred. We are discussing punishment because you are lobbying to continue to punish him based on those past actions.

The problem with your analogy is there was no requirement in being featured to not have their account be actioned upon. So it would be like if you had an ex-criminal who robbed a store for $100 and spent a month in jail go on to open a Bakery that was then featured on a news story and 5 people threw a fit because the guy was once convicted of robbing a store. It has no relevance what so ever. The person has moved on. They aren’t committing crimes still. Society has moved on with it.

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Veldan

Your bakery analogy is once again incorrect. The point is that it’s Black Desert that features him while it’s also the game he exploited in. It would be like the store doing a “favorite customer” feature and then choosing the guy who robbed that very same store.

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Arktouros

Okay I’m going to stop using analogies you seem to not be able to understand and lets go with yours.

So using your analogy he’s become such a good customer of the bakery that the featured him as a favorite customer? What’s the problem there dude? Why you trying to keep punishing him?

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draugris

Nope, Gains are irrelevant. We do not talk about punishment here. And in your analogy of course there is a difference in punishment for a grand and a petty theft. We are talking here about reputation and of course about an incentive. In that case the incentive of partnership. In what real world example would a thief get an incentive ? “Ok you stole that little thing from me, no problem, here you have your working contract….”

So it does not matter how much he gained or how much or how little damage he caused. The question is whether he intentionally exploited or not. If he did and the bans he got are justified, this partnership is a joke and makes it visible how desperate this developer is to partner with such an individual.

On the other hand, if the bans are not justified and he was banned because of an error. The developer should also be upfront about it and officially excuse.

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Arktouros

For his part, he denied he ever intentionally put 2 workers on the node. He still caught a ban, and asked his data be made public so people could see that it was not intentional but of course the company wasn’t going to do that. It’s pretty hard to prove intent. What ultimately matters is that he falls within the rules/regulations of being partnered even if his reputation isn’t what it once was.

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draugris

Which shows a real lack of empathy on the developers side. they should have known that the internet does not forget. This whole argument was completely foreseeable.

If they come to the conclusion that he did not have intent they should rehabilitate him completely. Now they have a situation where somebody representing the game for the and to the community is brandmarked as an exploiter.

From a marketing point of view it´s pretty much suicide.

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Yoshi Senpai

What about the people in his stream that called him out him out before the ban?

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Arktouros

Where they pointed out him having multiple workers on the Ancient Stone chamber node? Really? That node is so invaluable people often times these days are actually skipping it. The sheer shittiness of that node is almost more evidence that it was unintentional goof than some bizarre master plan exploit.

You gotta understand the meme potential here was through the roof. You have a guy who prided himself on making money in game (“Bum to Billionaire”) who ended up having 2 workers on some shitty node. The opportunity to tear him down as a fraud and meme all over him was too good to pass up. It’s like discovering a meme gold mine, it’s just too good for everyone to pass up.

But that was a year ago. It’s a dead meme. In retrospect it’s like “whatever.”

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Veldan

He’s a streamer, why is data needed? I believe you can find old streams where he’s doing it even now. Especially since some of BDO’s community decided to be “helpful” and recorded relevant parts of the streams so that the proof remains available even if past streams are taken down.

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Arktouros

The reason why he wanted data shown was to show that he didn’t intentionally exploit the issue the way people were implying. The stream showed it was one node where had two workers on. The size and scope of this were in the realm of possibility that it wasn’t intentional. It wasn’t like his entire worker list was full of multiple workers on specific nodes.

This where the whole net gains are relevant. It shows the case where while he certainly had 2 workers on that one node, it was irrefutable, it DOES NOT imply it was intentional or wide spread. For example if someone was going to intentionally exploit this (such as people did) they would be putting multiple workers on the Investment nodes that yield gold bars (such as people did) and generate vastly higher income.

But again, because people love to tear down people in the BDO community, it blew up into a much larger issue and the 72 hour ban (which was likely a group ban for anyone who had multiple workers on any nodes period) was taken as an automatic assumption of intention to exploit by the community.

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Vunak23

Doesn’t matter he was caught, people pointed it out to him and he was only remorseful after he was banned. He knew kakao wasn’t gonna release data on anything his thread was smoke and mirrors to make him seem like he was a good guy for the community.

It doesn’t matter how big of an exploit it is. It’s an exploit and he used it. Tera is the perfect example of a company not severely punishing minor exploits/cheaters and having things escalate very quickly.

Look at BDO now. You think they would have the hacking issues they have now if they were throwing perma bans out to people like blade for “minor” exploits? Likely not nearly as bad

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Arktouros

BDO has had hacking issues since the launch of the game. There were whole periods in first year where people were removing the cool downs of abilities. Then there was the innumerable client side mods such as making your workers go off your system clock. Can watch other streams where you can see people actually hacking out in the ocean just teleporting around. Now you have the latest round of Hystria hackers and fish botters. As much as people bring it up, it has never been a large or wide spread problem with the game.

None of this is because of going because they threw Blade a 72 hour ban. It’s always been about proportionality. Others who exploited the worker thing and actually went all out with it on multiple nodes and raked in billions with investment nodes got the permanent bans.

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And who is to say that he didn’t have multiple workers on multiple nodes going when he wasn’t streaming? The fact that the worker was on a pretty piss poor node tells me he just forgot to move it off that node before the stream, not the other way around.

He also apparently reported the exploit to Kakao yet somehow he didn’t notice that his worker was doing exactly what he reported. yeah I don’t believe it.

Like I said, he was only remorseful AFTER he got caught.

Also BDO has always had an issue with hacking/exploiting because Kakao has never taken a heavy hand with it. There are multiple people in guilds that have been temp banned after exploiting to get a substantial sum of silver/gold in BDO only to be unbanned with the assets tied into other things and resold and re-obtained.

Now they are supporting someone they have banned in the past for exploiting, it just fits the narrative even better.

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Xijit

LoL, par the course for this game.