The Daily Grind: How long does it take for wipes to bother you in an MMO?

    
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This is not a question about wipes in general. If the first wipe in a Final Fantasy XIV dungeon happens with a veteran party with plenty of gear because the healer just doesn’t feel like focusing on healing, the first one is exceedingly irritating. If the first wipe happens on an early pull but everyone other than me is new and it’s a tricky dungeon, I’m happy to just explain everything to the group.

No, this is about the wipes you get when your entire World of Warcraft raid group lines up outside the boss, you pull, and… you wipe. And then you get back up, cast your buffs, discuss what happened, and… you wipe again. Third pull, discussion happens again, and the pull happens again and everyone dies a third time. You get the idea.

In other words, this is about the threshold for irritation when the group isn’t just wiping, but wiping repeatedly with little to no indication that you’re actually making forward progress. It can be intensely upsetting if you know that you’re pulling off the mechanics you need to execute but the rest of your party isn’t managing the same task, or if you know you’re screwing up but don’t seem to be able to fix that issue even as you interrogate what you’re doing wrong. So how long does it take before these repeated wipes bother you?

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Kenneth Taylor

It is when you go back to clear old content and the group keeps dieing to the same boss at just the week before they cleared with no problem. Just because of not having a solid raid group because the guild master can play or is loaded off that the person that is running the raid is the tank. Or the raid leader is a healer and taken their sweet ads time passing out loot… Wait then again being a tank that is out healing the healers in most cases. (Aka the game has lost it fun factor and is now just a job) but this is just me ranting

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The_Fergand

I generally have a lot of patience with wipes. What usually gets me is when other people start whining or acting belligerent. Don’t mind banging my head against a hard encounter all night, just so long as people are working together and having fun.

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Shannon Giblett

Never had a problem with wipes but then I am old school and can still remember doing 13 hour nights to clear Naxx before TBC came out.
These days though I will usually give a group a maximum of around 3 or 4 hours (getting too old for all nighters lol).

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Ald

Wipes have never bothered me when everyone is on the same page. It’s when you can tell someone isn’t paying attention or is just going through the motions and not really caring when i lose it.

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Carlo Lacsina

As soon as the DPS starts pulling.

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NeoWolf

The first time they happen.

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NeoWolf

And to clarify I do not mean bothered as in throw a teenage tantrum like you see many do and start blaming everyone and EVERYTHING…

but bothered in an “oh crap I only had an hour to play and this wipe means I going to have to leave it until next time I get to play instead of carrying on until we do it”.. because I only have limited time to play.

In that regard wipes are frustrating especially when your trying to get something done.

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Nephele

I think it’s subjective. When we go in to learn a new fight we expect that we’re going to wipe continually. As long as we’re making progress and getting further in the fight, it’s ok. But when we “stall out” at a mechanic and go 5, 10 wipes without really making any progress, people start to get frayed. Sometimes at that point as a raid leader I’ll call a break.

The other aspect is time. I used to put a 3 hour maximum on raids I would run, because by 3 hours I just knew that I was going to have some people getting tired. They’d say they were fine, but their reaction times were slower, they were making more mistakes, and in general just weren’t able to perform as well as at the beginning. Sometimes we’d push further on a raid if we were almost there, but generally three hours was far as I was willing to go, because I knew that after that point, we weren’t going to really make more progress.

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Ben Stone

1) When it is clear that the group is actually incapable of completing the content.
2) If they are making the experience unenjoyable / unrewarding.

As a caveat to number one, this more relates to ability. I generally am happy to teach through a few wipes how the content is supposed to be beaten. Which is why I usually end up in the patient tank role for my friends.

But sometimes it is just very obvious that you won’t beat it no matter how many times you throw yourself against it, and that’s when it is time to bail.

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Sarah Cushaway

I’m patient and don’t care about elitist end game top guild type stuff. I may start to get annoyed if it’s one person consistently (after being told “please do x or don’t do x”) causing issues–otherwise, being from the days of early MMOs where EVERYONE fricken wiped ;) 4-5 times before I get a little tired of it. 10 times and I’m typically calling it a day. But I’m not every angry about it.

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styopa

“the first wipe in a Final Fantasy XIV dungeon happens with a veteran party with plenty of gear because the healer just doesn’t feel like focusing on healing”

Wait wait wait.

While I can conceive of that happening (because the longer term FFXIV ‘jaded pros’ are so deep into the DPS-uber-alles paradigm of FFXIV, I think it would be more accurate to typify it as “the tank sprints off before the healer’s even dropped protect on everyone, pulls 8000 mobs, refuses to pop c/ds or be in tank stance because it might cut into his precious deeps, and either a) he dies before the healer can CATCH UP to him or b) the healer, dropping every oGCD he’s got because the tank’s now at 8%, has suddenly pulled aggro for the remaining 7900 mobs and gets nuked”.

-I have 70s of every healer and main a WHM

I main-tank in every game I play EXCEPT FFXIV because my “pull a group, kill it, pull next group, kill it” 100% prevent a wipe speed is apparently way too slow for the people who insist every bloody instance be a speedrun sprint (as if their time is somehow precious?). I tried it up to 55 and just said I don’t need the grief and got my PLD to 70 in PotD and HoH, dumped all the tanking gear I’d accumulated to level MRD and DRK and said “never again”.