Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen gets investors, development is continuing

Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen missed out on its Kickstarter goals, but that wasn’t the end of the road. Visionary Realms, after an extended trip through volunteer development and a dearth of funding, has raised a seed round to finance further development of the game. No exact numbers have been disclosed, but it’s enough for the game to keep moving forward with development, although further funding will likely be necessary for the game to reach release.

The game is apparently slated for a pre-alpha test later this year and beta testing sometime in 2016. It’s good news for Brad McQuaid and anyone else who was afraid that the game’s failure at crowdfunding would spell the end of the idea, although there’s still a long road between funding and public access.

Source: VentureBeat; thanks to Dethroned for the tip!
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Metalgrinder
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Metalgrinder

I hope they complete this MMO..Like him or not McQuaid has helped build some of the greatest MMO’s out there.I loved EQ and VG,Im hungry for something like them.

Zer0K
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Zer0K

Wild_Phil Enter Smedley

Zer0K
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Zer0K

I have to say, that, their website is better than Everquest Next’s  haha
I know more about the Pantheon Game (even though we all should probably take it with a few grains of salt) than Everquest Next.  haha

Maquiame
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Maquiame

wjowski Wild_Phil iridescence breetoplay The leadership, Brad, Cory McFever, Tony Garcia helped create Everquest and Vanguard.  Despite Vanguard being broken it had a lot of great ideas when they worked and nothing to this day is like the Diplomacy system and no current mmo can lay a finger on Vanguard’s racial, world design and few can lay a finger on its crafting system. Lets not also forget that Vanguard also had boats and some of the best classes ever in an mmo.

Lets not be dense.  Sure the new team members are new to development but they do have vets behind them.

Maquiame
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Maquiame

Radfist Actually you should check out Saga of Lucima, its also a EQ style mmo and its already in pre alpha testing.

ohforfs
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ohforfs

One angel investor does not a summer make. THey need proper investment. Maybe the alpha game will be good enough to draw in investment, but I don’t think so. Vanguard’s biggest problem was lack of tools, which made doing anything important vastly time consuming. Well look who is in charge of Tools this time around – Mr McQauid.

If he is indeed in a subservient role then it might work, but I am not holding my breath.

Radfist
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Radfist

Probably the last hope for an EQ style MMO in the near future.  Hope it goes well, honestly pretty surprised they kept going after the failed Kickstarter.  Happy to keep this on the radar.

PaganRites
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PaganRites

DahkohtLewin Damonvile FacelessSavior Here’s the Corporate chain.  There is a CFO, and it’s not Brad.  http://www.pantheonmmo.com/about_us/the_team/

wjowski
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wjowski

Fools and their money, business as usual in the MMO world.

wjowski
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wjowski

Wild_Phil iridescence breetoplay 
“The Pantheon leadership actually has MMO development history with their MMO showing way more promise.”
What MMO?  All they’ve shown so far are repackaged Unity assets.

SeedEve
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SeedEve

I think a lot a people are confusing Brad inability to manage the finances and his competence in making a good old style MMO.I want Pantheon to succeed as a pve game as much I want CU to succeed as a pvp game.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

DahkohtLewin Zariarn Actually, LOTRO and lots of other MMOs sell gambling boxes.  Some hate them.  Some love them.  No big deal in the F2P MMO world. 
I don’t buy into launches because I never pay into a game that isn’t finished.  I’ve seen quite a few MMOs get grief lately due to crowd funding, pre-order, and founder pacts.  I played the first day of launch.  It was busy and buggy as all MMOs I’ve ever played a launch.  Nothing new.  I’ll admit it was worse than some I’ve seen.  So what did I do to fix that?  I played something else for awhile.  After the headache was gone, the game was fine.(I love having accounts in multiple MMOs)
I can’t relate to any of the exploits in the game.  They’ve never affected my gameplay.  In your defense, I don’t play hardcore.  It’s possible that’s the reason I never experience the “massive” known exploits that I’ve read about.
WoW and LOTRO are blasted for much pettier things like it being a clone, carebear, or p2w.  It’s all silly just like the ranting about AA.  Move on already, lol.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

Tandor Shadewalker DahkohtLewin Players

DahkohtLewin
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DahkohtLewin

ruthlesspno1 Does he have actual power though , that’s my worry. Meaning can he tell Brad , no. And have it mean no.

DahkohtLewin
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DahkohtLewin

Damonvile FacelessSavior Their leader needs a boss. Period. Also to not be allowed to be in charge of any finances. Any.

I enjoyed Vanguard enough even after going through the hell of alpha when MS owned it , then in limbo , then on to SOE buyout and so on , enough to hope they do manage to launch a game as I would very much enjoy an old school PVE game to go along with CU for the PVP side.

Some try and say he and Smedley got lucky with EQ , but Vanguard to me showed he has it in him to develop an in depth and fun style of game for me , so it’s not luck. It’s just that he needs adult supervision.

Ironwu
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I would think after the 38 Studios disaster that investors would be a little wiser about tossing money into a project that has shown little potential for success.
Having been rejected by the overwhelming majority of the potential customer base for this game, it should have been a whole sea of red flags for anyone thinking of tossing money at this project.

Damonvile
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Damonvile

FacelessSavior There’s no reason not to root for this game. If it launches and it’s good, we have a good game to play. If it launches and it’s a disaster, that will be good for a laugh. The only real disappointment will be if they go through all this trouble and nothing comes of it.
Personally I’m hoping for a good game…because despite my opinion of their “leader” a good game is what it’s all about and we don’t really need any more disasters.

DahkohtLewin
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DahkohtLewin

Zariarn DahkohtLewin 

Every mmo does not get the deserved backlash ArcheAge does and did. I played it in alpha , and they switched it at launch , fucked the economy up shortly after launch by putting in the cash shop items people were counting on selling in game and so on.

They pulled a shady , shady switch at launch , and as a result , get laughed at for being untrustworthy at best on most any general message board.

Guilds crashed and left AA quicker than any game I’ve seen , it had massive , known exploits for weeks at a time and Scapes as a PR man. 
Pretty much the definition of a shady , terribly managed game , and fine if you like it , but acting like WoW and LoTRO and ToR are blasted for selling RNG gambling boxes , let bots and exploit ruin the economy and so on like ArcheAge is known for is just being blind.

DahkohtLewin
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DahkohtLewin

Tandor Shadewalker DahkohtLewin I go back with Hartsman then and before , in person and on boards. He’s not the same person he was then. Becoming CEO and seeing $$$ from Thunderstuck Tree RNG boxes has made him anything but the old Hartsman.

He doesn’t comment much on AA either , because I think deep down he’s embarrassed by it , but since they signed the deal with the devil , and are getting the monetary benefits of it , has resigned to go along with it.

Akami
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Greaterdivinity Akami the “official facebook?”  well it’s gotta be true then!!  None of what you said there is proof of any of those claims.  The whole team bailing could easily have happened because they all stopped getting paid at the same time, and had to support their families.

One employee starting a rumor like that would spread around the watercooler just as fast as around the internet.  If you think that all of the employee’s were privy to the financial records to see just where the crowdfunding money was going, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Again, other than rumors and 2nd hand information.  Unless you have a link to real proof, don’t believe everything you read.

FacelessSavior
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FacelessSavior

I’m always surprised to hear this game is still in development, and has an aura of hype surrounding it.

Greaterdivinity
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Akami Kinda hard to dismiss when you had
1. One of the developers make the claim through the official Facebook.
2. The wife of another respond to it confirming financial shenanigans.
3. I can’t find it, but I remember and interview with one of the ex-devs where he confirmed 

4. Pretty much the whole team, many of whom were his friends, bailing at around the same time.

Heck, I don’t even remember McQuaid really trying to deny the claim.

Tandor Shadewalker
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Tandor Shadewalker

DahkohtLewin Don’t forget that there are a lot of MMO players who go back a long way with Scott Hartsman, for example in his EQ2 days, and who have had a lot of fun with Rift, but who haven’t touched ArcheAge because it was never going to be their type of game. I’m one of them, and from what I’ve read about ArcheAge I’m unclear whether the people responsible for its reputation are Trion or its players.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

DahkohtLewin The great thing is that my gaming community and server doesn’t echo the rhetoric I see on massively or any other site.  We have fun and don’t care what others think.  If the game is down for maintenance, we fire something else up.  Less disappointment that way.
Anyways

It’s always the same in every gaming community.  Someone is usually bashing some other game.  For example:  LOTRO is full of TOR haters.  WoW slams LOTRO.  EQ2 is full of WoW bashers.  Path of Exile is full of Diablo 3 haters.  Gameing sites are no exception.
It matters not.  I take everything on here like a grain of salt, including the info from the writers.  I enjoy their news articles but many times I think they like to troll certain touchy subjects.  And many bite it hook, line, and sinker.  Fun to watch at times.
Regardless of the opinions stated here, I try any MMO whether it is AA, ToR, or insert MMO name here <___>

Akami
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Greaterdivinity Akami Him dipping into the crowdfunding money for his own use was a rumor that was started by another dev on the team that was pissed off because he wasn’t paid.  It was that dev’s own theory based 100% on zero actual evidence or proof.

The problem being, that that rumor was spread around over and over, even if it was untrue and based on hearsay.

pcgneurotic
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pcgneurotic

louiedog_ Absolutely.

DahkohtLewin
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DahkohtLewin

Seriously , anyone without a Trion paycheck would consider ArcheAge in the west a train wreck.
It took Trions reputation from good to shit for a reason.
Mention them on a message board and the number who defend them is far outweighed by the number that associate them with gambling loot boxes and fubar launch of AA.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

Ceder  I agree with Kithred in questioning the Trainwreck that many so like to troll about.  ArcheAge is still popular.  RIFT is getting new content regularly.  Trove is doing really well.  I haven’t played Defiance in a few weeks but it seems to still have players in each area. So, what trainwreck?

ruthlesspno1
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After finding out who the CEO of Visionary Studios is, I’m all in , do the research he is a well know Tech VC known for leading IPO’s and growing companies (hint he was the person who brought out the Sony Playstation).

chosenxeno
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Kithred Ceder He’s still mad about ArcheAge. A gam,e thaty had systems in place that were just begging to be exploited. A game that was foolish enough to try non instance housing in a world where server merges are common. Trion’s only fault was saying “Yes” to publishing it.

Kithred
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Kithred

Ceder What are all these Trion’s train wrecks? Aren’t Korean games generally train wrecks in the west no matter who publishes them? I personally loved Rift, and occasionally still do. A lot of people apparently like Trove. I don’t really know how Defiance is doing at the moment, but it certainly was not a “train wreck” either. I’m confused, but then again my pipeweed had expired…

Ceder
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Ceder

Trion should invest in em. I’d love to see a train wreck on top of another train wreck.

iridescence
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Wild_Phil iridescence breetoplay Well PFO at least has a playable if rough alpha and some really innovative ideas that need to be  fleshed out. Does Pantheon even have a working demo yet? I know in their Kickstarter anything that looked at all novel or interesting to me about Pantheon was hidden behind massive stretch goals including a lot of things I’d consider basic features of any decent MMO.

Wild_Phil
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iridescence breetoplay Seriously?  The Pathfinder Online leadership basically has no video game development history and have a pretty awful game to show for all their effort.

The Pantheon leadership actually has MMO development history with their MMO showing way more promise.

I would objectively invest in Pantheon over Pathfinder in a heartbeat at this point.  And that would have been the opposite six months ago.

iridescence
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breetoplay iridescence Yeah but they’re looking for private investors and while that game certainly has issues I’m surprised anyone would consider Pantheon a more solid investment than PFO at this point. No ill-will against Pantheon though. I really liked Vanguard, if the finished product turns out in any way similar I’ll play it. I’m just in skeptic mode right now.

Wild_Phil
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Wild_Phil

Interesting.  ‘Seed funding’ is tiny and likely made up for their failed Kickstarter minimum.  But now they will need several larger investors to make up the other 75%+ because in reality MMOs are expensive.

Greaterdivinity
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Mikey Moo They could, but if they’re going for outside funding then it might not be the best idea. If they fail again, it makes it harder to convince investors of your products viability and if they set the goals very low then it doesn’t do much to convince investors that there’s much interest.
And honestly, it’s probably best they not. The games/McQuaid’s reputation is still a bit too tarnished now, especially after what happened with the early crowdfunding money. I think people want to believe and see the game, they just don’t trust enough.

breetoplay
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breetoplay

iridescence Hey, Pathfinder got a ton of funding. It just ran out is all.

Superbrak
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Superbrak

Akami Wow, if that’s true I might actually look into this bad boy. Despite a lot of old school mechanics I’m not really a fan of, Vanguard really grabbed me somehow. I’d be interested to see what Brad does without the company drama.

Mikey Moo
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Mikey Moo

I don’t know how these things actually work, but can they not make a 2nd attempt at Kickstarter? They got more than halfway there, and that was last year. tbh I didn’t even know about it at the time and I’m pretty sure a lot more people are aware of it today then they were back then due to all the reporting that’s been done on it since.

louiedog_
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louiedog_

Honestly, I want to see this come out. It’s the little game that could. Brad won’t quit. I can appreciate that. If it turns out to be an updated Vanguard, even better.

Greaterdivinity
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Greaterdivinity

Akami He’s taken a step back to creative lead design, and they hired a COO and CO to run the business end of things.  So he doesn’t even have a hand in the money pot.  Contrary to what all of the internet haters would have you believe.
Which is fantastic, because he’s great at the creative side of things but apparently awful at the business/management side of things.
Where his hands are though, we don’t necessarily know. Remember, he already dipped into the crowdfunding pot early on, which is what caused his team to mostly abandon him once. I’d like to think that it won’t happen again, but we’ll see.

Akami
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Akami

iridescence I would say the chances are actually pretty good.  All of the haters aside, Brad is actually a very talented guy when it comes to games & system design.  He’s also got a few quite talented people on his team, that up until this point have been working for nothing.

Unlike what the “internet warriors” would like you to believe, he’s not actually running the studio at all.  He’s taken a step back to creative lead design, and they hired a COO and CO to run the business end of things.  So he doesn’t even have a hand in the money pot.  Contrary to what all of the internet haters would have you believe.

iridescence
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iridescence

So Pathfinder can’t get funding but this alleged game does? *headdesk*

Greaterdivinity
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Greaterdivinity

Welp, that’s kinda good, just tell McQuaid he can’t take another pay advance out of it. Oh well, I guess there’s plenty of time to keep an eye on it to see if it ends up meeting the initial design goals, much less gets finished.

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