Gazillion is dead and Marvel Heroes is shutting down Friday, NOT at the end of the year

Massively OP has received a credible tip from a former Gazillion employee who told us under condition of anonymity that Marvel Heroes will be over significantly sooner than Disney and Marvel previously declared.

The ex-employee says he was terminated as of today, that Gazillion is being shut down entirely, and that Marvel Heroes will sunset this coming Friday, not at the end of the year as originally announced.

The termination letter written by CEO Dave Dohrmann was shared with Massively OP and claims that banking creditors have effectively pulled the plug on the company, leading to the termination of almost every employee at the studio and the apparent renege of benefits including accrued PTO.

A representative for Marvel told us last week that the game would remain online until the end of December, but the letter says that Marvel directed Gazillion to prepare the sunset ASAP; we expect an announcement soon. You can read up on the whole sorry saga in our last summary.

We have reached out to Gazillion, Marvel, and Disney for comment. Our hearts go out to the innocent devs whose holidays and lives just got flung into turmoil.

Update: Former Gaz gameplay engineer Andrew Hair has now publicly cross-corroborated on Twitter parts of the letter we received from our source. “I know a lot of people are upset and wanting refunds for their purchases in Marvel Heroes,” he wrote, “but please keep in mind the developers were not paid out PTO, severance, and our medical insurance is ending in 8 days.”
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possum440 .

Marvel lawyer number 1….”Ever wonder why we take a pittance from these subcontractor license agreements?”.

Marvel lawyer number 2, “It has crossed my mind. We could be making ALL the profit if we had our own in house publisher for MMO’s.”

Marvel lawyer number 1, “Gazillion’s license renewal is coming up in a few months.”

Marvel Lawyer number 2, “…..Hmmm, You thinking what I am thinking?”.

Marvel Lawyer number 1, “….heh….”.

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Humble DG

The next story is did anyone profit more by closing early and with the “debt collectors” on the prowl? It would seem odd that Marvel would just say shut it down now knowing that closing something that already agreed to close at the end of the year, would just come off looking terrible from a PR perspective. Something doesn’t add up.

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Paul Hurtado

Just confirmed with my cousin who works (worked) at Gazillion that yes, they laid off everyone, and the game is likely to shut down on or by Monday. Sucks, Merry Christmas to them I guess. :(

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wratts

Still up as of Saturday 7:00 am CT, at least on PS4

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CasualSlacks

Same on PC.

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Datom

Logged in today and got my highest hero, Colossus, to 60. It was bittersweet. Goodbye Marvel Heroes.

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Pingly

I can see a GAME shutting down…but how did this nuke an entire company? Plenty of companies have licenses and then move on to other things. Wonder why they couldn’t keep going? Or is this the owner taking his football when he gets called home?

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the_balance

Cost/Benefit – no reason to use one of the most valuable IP’s in the history of everything to make a game that’s not, at least, as profitable as other endeavors. The effort(s) can be better spent elsewhere.

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mike foster

If any Gazillion devs are reading this: Riot always needs people, especially artists, designers, and engineers.

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Armsman

Update: Former Gaz gameplay engineer Andrew Hair has now publicly cross-corroborated on Twitter parts of the letter we received from our source. “I know a lot of people are upset and wanting refunds for their purchases in Marvel Heroes,” he wrote, “but please keep in mind the developers were not paid out PTO, severance, and our medical insurance is ending in 8 days.”

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Sucks that they lost Paid Time Off benefits at termination, but that doesn’t excuse the Company from knowingly continuing to charge for items and Gazillion saying “It’s all fine” for about a full month and effectively now ripping off customers who were initially told by both Gazillion and Disney the game would run through December 2017.

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NeoWolf

And what do we think the chances are that the suits are not getting PTO, severence, medical insurance etc? Somehow I doubt they will be suffering like they are making their hard working devs.

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miol

What a week! o.O

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McGuffn

Wait, Ark is getting a sequel and not just those expansions? What this list is missing is Star Citizen drama. Maybe they can announce a sequel too.

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Tobasco da Gama

I really hope somebody snaps up all those Gazillion devs before Christmas.

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Chosenxeno .

Didn’t Read(you know who I’m talking too:)

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rafael12104

Tragic. Truly tragic, for many reasons. Not the least of which is, these employees expected to have a little bit of cover for the holidays.

And you know what? I don’t believe Dorhmann. What if this was just the final management decision to avoid having to kick in health insurance benefits while there is open enrollment in Obamacare? I bet this is no surprise to Dorhmann and his management team.

Sheezus. If Disney had any common sense and realized the PR opportunity, they would carry those employees through December and extended their benefits through the end of the year. It’s great PR and a small price, very small, for the giant Mouse.

But, I don’t blame Disney here. This falls on Dorhmann, his incompetence and inability to hold his libido in check. I tell you what, I’d sue his ass for mismanagement, malfeasance, or whatever else a lawyer might come up with. I’d sue as a group too.

Enough of this shit.

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Josh Daugherty

I spent over $200 on the PS4 for the founder’s edition I already know I will never see a penny of it. I spent a ton on the PC during sales or BOGO’s because I invested in the game and thought it was money well spent.

It is very sad to hear that GAZ employees are not getting severance or PTO it’s even shttier that the GAZILLION is basically running for the hills, taking everything they’ve earned and left all its employees high and dry to fend for themselves.

Hopefully, someone will reach out to all of the EX-GAZ employees and try to make a Reboot of MHO I know it’s a long shot but hears hoping.

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Khrome

You could just do a chargeback if you paid by creditcard you know. If they didn’t actually deliver the goods you’re completely within your right to do so.

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Annoyed badger

“but please keep in mind the developers were not paid out PTO, severance, and our medical insurance is ending in 8 days.”

So? I feel sympathy, but people paid for a product, they are not getting the product, they did not choose to donate to a charity. If they want to do that fine, but the assumption should be they get a refund if the product they paid for is not delivered.

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TheDonDude

Missing out on severance, earned vacation pay, and medical insurance is far worse than missing out on a game.

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Armsbend

What product wasn’t delivered? Do you think you have the right to an online game until the end of time? As much as it might suck – you have no rights to anything. You are simply renting your experience until they decide to cut it as per the contract you signed when you booted up the game.

The fact they still sold stuff knowingly while the company was falling apart is hot garbage though. I never had a lot of respect for Gaz though even when Brevik was manning the wheel.

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kody

Console players had things marketed to them less than a month before the shutdown was announced, including 25% off virtual currency with the messaging “it’s a great time to stock up!” and a brand new character that could only be purchased with real money.

I find it hard to believe the company did this with no knowledge of the fact their IP rights were being pulled.

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Justin Merithew

Sure, online games aren’t kept up until the end of time, but the console versions went live in June, and new content was being peddled until last month. Console players had about 5 months of access to the game.

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Armsbend

That’s true. I keep forgetting about the console experience.

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Paarthurnax Dragonhearth

((Deleted by mod. This is your VERY last warning. Stop trolling sunset threads or you will be banned. There’s a link to the commenting code at the top of the commenting section. Use it and learn it or leave.))

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the_balance

The gaming and software development community coming together to help the devs affected by this is pretty awesome. The writing for this game has been on the wall for months (and covered by news outlets that cared about the game for just as long) – hopefully those affected by this are already long into the process of finding a new job by now.

Regarding what they’re owed in PTO, etc. unless they signed some crazy employment contract forfeiting these things if the business ceased to operate, they’ll ultimately get what they’re owed.

When and how will be impossible to speculate unless you’re an insider that knows what accounts money from the game went into, who had access, and how they were distributed to stakeholders.

This isn’t information anyone is likely to share unless they’re forced to do so in a legal fashion. If you did know this info, and leaked it, your career/life would be over as it’d be easy to find out who did it (few would know) and those associated with the transactions (like, ultimately, Disney) would want to find + crucify whoever leaked sensitive financial data without a court order.

These devs are going to be ok, but that doesn’t mean what’s happening here is right. I’ll wait for an official release on all this (because even verified sources can be liars) but, ultimately, the folks affected by this on a career level are going to land on their feet. They’re in a much better situation than some of the dev layoffs we’ve heard about over the years have been (remember Vanguard, anyone?).

Here’s hoping they can relax a little and enjoy the holidays with their loved ones regardless of the shit show.

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Tithian

A little insight from the devs, since now they can talk about things:

The PC license was lost 6 months ago, and they managed to renegotiate it back about 3 days before they had to make the announcement that the PC server is shutting down. In the meantime, that had led to the team throwing everything they had into the console version, breaking the PC mechanics and systems in the process, because they needn’t worry about that any more. It was all going away.

Eventually the license got renewed at the last moment, but the devs knew that the pooch had been screwed by that time and there was no turning back. So instead of porting the PC version to console, they had to do the exact reverse, which also pushed back the Omega patch for the PC, and killed the game completely. Management of the freaking year, right there.

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McGuffn

Jesus. See, This is exactly why Disney is not the hero of the story many people are making it out to be. It’s not like Gazillion is the only bad actor here, Disney is pulling the strings and keeping everyone in the dark about their plans too.

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What a nightmare for the team.

A sad reminder that if you make an online game, you’d better own the licence… and not have the worst people in charge (and good luck with that).

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veldara

Speaking as someone who’s worked with the Warhammer IP; yea it can be a miserable experience.

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Danny Smith

I imagine Disney is desperate to get their multiple licensing shitstorms under control as soon as possible.

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McGuffn

Why? They’re probably looking at firing more of their star wars directors. There’s still time to kick Ron Howard to the curb and replace him with Uwe Boll.

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the_balance

They’re tightening up across the board on pretty much everything. They went on a cost/benefit analysis rampage earlier this year and we’re starting to see the effects of it.

A corporation like Disney probably doesn’t care about a video game with ~2k (I’m being generous) concurrent players in it when they’re cranking out movies that earn them 10x what they cost to make and provide profits that start with a B.

If you can, even slowly, turn out a movie that costs 100m but makes 1b, why the fuck would you care about a video game with 2,000 people in it? You wouldn’t. It’s, comparatively, irrelevant to your goals unless its part of a marketing push to enhance another product, or fills a gap you can’t fill anywhere else easily.

There are shitloads of shitty Marvel games out there. You’re gonna see ones that still have a large ongoing cost get culled pretty quick over the next year.

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Armsbend

That’s a main reason I was happy to see Disney buy Marvel in the first place. Pre-Disney Marvel would sell their IPs to anyone with a terrible idea.

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Tithian

Holy f..rak … I will admit, I didn’t expect this. The CEBro really ran the company to the ground, good job buddy!

I hope the artists at least find a new home soon, the bunch of them were extremely talented (looking at you The Dink) and any team would be lucky to have them.

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veldara

Rob Echter from Bethesda Softworks is reaching out to former Gazillion employees regarding job opportunities.

Blizzard as well:

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Scratches

I’m usually not a fan of Bethesda, but I know what games I’m buying for Xmas now…

And I suppose I can look the other way for a bit and plunk some money down on some Overwatch or Hearthstone lootbo— I mean, card packs….

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Brown Jenkin

Phew, that was actually comforting to read in what is otherwise a dark ass situation. Thanks for the cheer :)

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James Mock

I am having Paragon studios flashbacks! (although this has a lot more gross harassment)

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semugh

omg… leak the server code while you can!

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Nathan Aldana

seriously? theyre literally pulling all their employee benefits and throwing them out the door?

And people wonder why I think corporations are evil.

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kody

“Corporations” have apparently become anything larger than a mom-and-pop bake sale? Gazillion was a pretty small independent studio.

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Bryan Correll

I’m definitely not defending Gazillion, but they literally don’t have a choice if (as it seems) they were only able to keep the lights on through on through a line of credit. The bank(s) involved could clearly see from the sunset announcement that there was zero chance of them getting their money back and promptly cut off the tap.

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Purewitz

Good riddance to bad rubbish. The victims (The female employees) deserve justice and the Executives that committed Sexual Misconduct and Blackmail should have the book thrown at them. They deserve the maximum jail time fitting their crimes.

Between Gazillion and EA, Disney isn’t playing around anymore. Hopefully Disney won’t deal with crooked companies anymore. I can see Disney is giving EA a second chance right now, but I think they should do the same to EA as they have done to Gazillion.

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veldara

The victims are more than just those that were harassed, the entire development staff who just lost their jobs should also be counted among them. Now I normally keep my composure in the comments when I post online but I have to dispense with any professional niceties for the moment and just be frank here:

Dohrmann, if you ever happen to come across this comment, let me just say you’re an utter pile of shit, good job in driving a promising company into the ground and causing personal upheaval to all the amazing staff in Gaz. I hope you never ever work in the games industry again you wormy, misogynistic, boil of a man.

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Armsbend

I don’t really have my finger on the pulse of the situation – but I like your style.

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Sray

Disney is not your friend; and they’re not some hero saving us from evil game studios: if Marvel Heroes was making anythng close to good money, they’d have found a way to keep their relationship with Gazillion going. They’ve always been well aware of how EA was planning on making money for Battlefront 2, and how that was supposed to work. They’ve stood by and done nothing for years while SWTOR and EA’s mobile games have engaged in crappy, RNG fueled monetization models. The only reason they bothered to intervene in the Battlefront controversy is because it threatened their big holiday film release and merchandise extravaganza with negative publicity, that they quite deserve.

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Dobablo

Anything that harms the image of the Mouse will be ruthlessly squashed.

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Utakata

Disney: Monetizing ethics one bad publicity at a time. /sigh

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Stropp

This.

Disney only enforces their family image because that’s where the money is. Don’t forget they’ll sue over the slightest thing.

The Mouse is evil.

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Armsbend

Well they’ve been consistent in enforcing that family image since Snow White came out in 1937. So if you have been doing since you started the company – are you really chasing the image because of the money? Or is it part of your core concept?

Disney was on the forefront of supplying their employees, not their public image mind you, with basic needs before anyone else does. They were giving same-sex couples health insurance as a family well over a decade ago. It’s nice to think they are evil because they protect their brands from any jerk off who wants to make money on their work – but really they aren’t.

I’d sue if someone tried to steal my work too. For every single little thing.

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deekay_plus

and then they laid off a fair amount of their hitech workers but not before they had them train their east indian replacements in the past couple years.

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Armsbend

That’s the US at the moment. The whole country is a shit show. It is history in motion – watching capitalism fail like a slow moving train wreck.

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Dušan Frolkovič

Yes, but Disney is at least pretending to care, which is more than most of humanity is able to do right now.

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Steinar Bergstøl

So, what I’m getting from this is that this would be a bad time to start playing Marvel Heroes, yes?

Seriously though, that sucks for those affected and who suddenly finds themselves jobless. Best of luck to them. I hope they land on their feet sooner rather than later.

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Utakata

This is just horrible. My thoughts and best wishes again to those who are at the receiving end of this. /bleh

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Chosenxeno .

Disney wants you in those Mobile Games as fast as possible. You will never see a PC or Console Multiplayer Online Focused Property for Marvel ever again. I can’t wait until Mobile starts getting that Battlefront II treatment.

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kody

I can’t believe people actually liked this comment. I can guarantee you’ll see Marvel games on PC and console, even beyond the one ihatevnecks mentioned. Mobile is the hardest platform to release a successful game on.

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ihatevnecks

…except for that online-focused multiplayer Marvel/Avengers game they already announced with SquareEnix.

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Chosenxeno .

Pfft…That game will never release…

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ihatevnecks

Based on what evidence, exactly? It was only announced this year, they gave some additional detail as recently as September; it’s a little early to already call it vaporware.

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CMDR ShrunkenQuasar

I’m no historian, but I’m pretty sure this microtransaction bull started with mobile.

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Tobasco da Gama

I mean, technically it started with MMOs. But, yeah, it came to mobile well before it came to non-MMO PC and console games.

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Dobablo

It started with airlines. (It probably started before them).

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Tizmah

It all started with…Horse Armor.

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Chosenxeno .

People have grumbled but there hasn’t been the level of scrutiny placed on Mobile like BF2. If there was every MAJOR MMORPG MAKER WOULDN’T BE LEAPING TO MOBILE. They are going to where they can make the most off their predatory practices.

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Iain B

Lol, where have you been? Mobile has not only had this treatment forever but it can be agured it mainly started with it.

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Chosenxeno .

I am talking about scrutiny dum dum.

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TophatKiyaki

Mate, Mobile has been getting that battlefront 2 treatment since almost it’s inception.

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Chosenxeno .

I am talking about scrutiny. What I mean is the back lash and Media coverage, genius.

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Chosenxeno .

Nah, man. Not to this level. There’s a reason everyone is heading to mobile and not a way from it. But I’m not here to argue this shit needs to die.

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the_balance

Not to what level? BF2 isn’t even kind of the worst offender. It’s not even in the bottom 10%. Go look at any mobile game ever.

Nobody is giving up PC or console gaming to “head” to mobile. Mobile games are convenient, that’s the only reason they exist and the reason they’re almost all designed to get your money early and then flake on the experience past the mid-game. They hit you (or your kids) fast, and then leave you paying a few $ to set alarms that expire slightly faster.

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Chosenxeno .

You guys don’t seem to realize I’m talking about The level of SCRUTINY not the MONETIZATION method. I’m hoping Mobile games start getting the media scrutiny of BF2 . You were all too busy trying to play gotcha. Morons:P I’ve unsubscribed so that I have the last word. That last word is me calling you idiots who fail at conversational context. Next time make sure you have understood the statement.

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Bryan Correll

I’ve unsubscribed so that I have the last word.

No you don’t.

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Dug From The Earth

Hmmm

It just hit me

I think DC is behind this whole thing.

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Tanek

Considering most of their movies, I’m not sure DC could plan and execute a scheme like this.

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the_balance

Think of it though. Produce a couple junk movies, orchestrate chaos across Marvel’s licenses and subsidiaries, watch the IP’s take a hit in the media – THEN release two slightly mediocre movies and be proclaimed the second coming! Brilliant!

There is also no fucking way DC would be capable of orchestrating that. But hey. We can dream.

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Schlag Sweetleaf

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Iain B

Nice one.

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Targeter

Goddamn, that’s some cold-blooded stuff right there. I mean, it’s within the right of the creditors to seize as many assets as they can to recoup their losses, but jeeeeez. Business can be ruthless sometimes.

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Stropp

Business is dog eat dog. Always has been.

It can also be ethical, but it seems that is the domain of small business. Once they get big, really big, then ethics fly out the window and the sociopaths take over.

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Nathan Aldana

Its the magic of a business structure that rewards the person most willing to maximize profits at any ethical cost.

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One last broken promise/f*** you. Seems sadly fitting.

My condolences to the team and staff at Gaz. The loss of PTO and such seems very fishy though; I’d seek legal counsel ASAP.

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Depends on work laws; I think they’re located in Foster, California. Vacation time must be paid out (from every resource I can find online), but if they’ve classified it as “PTO” (paid time off) then they may be able to circumvent it. Shuttering the company may also keep them from having to pay out vacation time, depending on the laws of the state. I’ll have to look into it more, but I’m thinking that the employees may have a case here. Although suing a company that doesn’t exist anymore may not help them at all.

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In CA, you can’t really circumvent it. They need to talk to employment attorneys, because for their PTO, they have first claim (b/c its salary) on any asset sales when they liquidate.

NOTE: While you can’t circumvent it, you also can’t squeeze blood from a turnip .

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life_isnt_just_dank_memes

Bankers and Disney: “Happy Turkey Day and go see Thor a second time and don’t forget about Last Jedi and Porg merch!”

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Hostagecat

Yeah i know a meltdown like this hasn’t happened in a long time. I wonder who the hell was cooking the books. Was this game not on solid footing money-wise?

Again my best wishes to all the employees steamrollered by the firings. Thanksgiving is supposed to be a time for family not flailing around worried about you finances and future jobs.

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Nathaniel Downes

It may have been, with reasonable debt load going into the holiday season with anticipated revenue from that. Then the announced shutdown, and termination of *all* revenue from that. All debts then are called in by the lenders, resulting in an immediate and absolute cash crunch.

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Alex Hyer

Game seemed solid prior to David Brevki’s departure.

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Armsbend

I think if it was making a lot of money he would have never left. Instead he went to pull a paycheck from a competitor.

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wratts

Man, that is just awful for everyone at Gazillion! “Thoughts and prayers” has taken on a cynical color lately, but seriously thoughts and prayers to everyone impacted

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Man, this is brutal. I have a friend who also just lost a games job (edutainment based) in a similar fashion, also right before Thanksgiving. I just can’t process that. It’s so heartless.

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sizer99

‘I know a lot of people are upset and wanting refunds for their purchases in Marvel Heroes’

Those people are idiots. You knew you were pissing away the money when you spent it. They could consider it a life lesson, but probably won’t learn from this either.

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Utakata

Not idiots at all, when the game appeared to be all hunky-dory a month or so back. Even *told so up until a week and half ago. I pour money into WoW, because like many others who do, think it’s going to be around forever. I am sure many felt the same away about Marvel Heroes.

But if there’s an argument that players need more consumer protection, the demise of MH and Gazillion is probably an excellent starting point. Just saying.

*Source: http://massivelyop.com/2017/11/13/marvel-heroes-drama/

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NeoWolf

As I said before a total clusterfu** all round… :( Thanks for your patronage and hard earned cash..now do one, thanks for your hard work and long hours developing the game now do one… doesn’t it just leave you feeling all warm and fuzzy inside.

I’m still somewhat shellshocked.. having spent upwards of a thousand pound on that game since its launch, but not at the loss of money as just to how quickly it all went south and the suits killed the game. Makes you very retiscent to spend anything in any game. At least with single player games you still have the game at the end of it.. with MMO’s and thier ilk you don’t even get to keep that.

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Sray

Well, holy s-word!

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Can’t say the last couple weeks have been dull when it comes to gaming news.

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agemyth 😩

That’s some BS. Those employees deserve better, but this is probably common business/bank practice.

UGH.

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Mick the Barbarian

So glad I didn’t invest any money into this game. Dodged that bullet.

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Zora

Yes that’s something I can say as well, my eternal indecisiveness (is that a word even?) saved me so to speak… so late to the party the party got canned before I could make up my mind.

On the other hand this makes me even more indecisive and scared to commit to any new game… gosh /hangs head

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Schlag Sweetleaf

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McGuffn

This is despicable. A multibillion dollar company (Disney) can’t even keep to a statement it issued less than a week ago? Somebody is wearing clown shoes and it isn’t Mickey Mouse. Death Vader keeps to his deals better than this.

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Nick Martin

This isn’t really on Disney, it’s on Gazillion…

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deekay_plus

this isn’t on disney. this company was run into the ground by it’s management over teh past year. blame the woman groping CEO for this.

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McGuffn

Disney issued the statement. Don’t blame a groping ceo unless you’re sure that it is what did this. If charges against him aren’t coming by Monday this is nonsense.

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Greaterdivinity

Yes, a statement they agreed to with Gazillion. Disney doesn’t have any control over whether Gazillion’s creditors want to keep them afloat until the end of the year.

This isn’t on Disney, it’s on Gazillion, dude. And honestly, Gazillion doesn’t sound terribly forthcoming with Disney, from what I hear.

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syberghost

It’s on Disney to the extent that their choice to revoke the license is the major reason why those creditors would choose not keep them afloat; with literally zero income as of the moment they turned off RMT, every minute it keeps running is less assets those creditors can seize.

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Greaterdivinity

And do you know why they revoked it, specifically?

Again, based off the creditors pretty much instantly calling in their debts, I’d hazard to guess that Gazillion’s finances are in the tank, and I know there were other issues going on internally at Gaz that Marvel wouldn’t be too happy about.

Again, it’s not Disney’s fault that Gazillion ran their company/game into the ground. Disney yanked the license to protect themselves, what happens to Gazillion is purely on Gazillion. When you bank your whole company on a single product that’s based off a license, you’re kinda limiting your options to continue on as a company should you lose said license.

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Schlag Sweetleaf

“The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it.”

Frank Herbert

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deekay_plus

i’m 110% for due process but the word is out there. and the clear and present business practicess are at hand.

he doesn’t even have to have grabbed any boobs or butts to be a shit bag at this point. he ran a solvent and lovable business into the ground in less than a year driving off much of the talent and customer base that made it such a lovable game.

that much doesn’t need much due process.

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McGuffn

So do you think Star Wars Galaxies was shut down because Smedley or somebody else at Sony was a sleazebag? Don’t treat rumor as gospel truth.

The studio (disney) also has precedent for shitcanning games because they distract from newer, possibly more lucrative titles.

People are rallying around Disney for putting an end to the Gazillion CEO’s reign of terror, and there is very little to support it, unlike the EA situation where there was at least some statement on the underlying cause.

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deekay_plus

disney =/ la

but yes smed did have alot to do with swg’s demise unless you want to belive revisionary historty from teh like of koster and the people he panders to on this site and crowfall forums. which there is ample evidence to teh contrary which takes some effort to google but it is still findable.

swg was a doomed game for a lot of reasons by la and not becuase you could play uncle owen mousture farmer. but because playing uncle ownen moisture farmer was a shit experience that was unrewarding compared to teh kungfyu jedi killers and mulett hair dos and wife beater sheirts and cargo shorts that was much of the game. it had little to do with uncle owen players. and everything to do with the shit show that was the lack of star warsyness of the game.

has little to do with smed being a shit bag that ran a major corporation into the ground or koster refusing to fine tune his for once brilliant design never come again or anything else. let alone disney.

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McGuffn

I believe that Galaxies’s NGE was a joint effort by Sony and Lucasfilm to make the game more like star wars and less like an uncle owen simulator. That’s been stated, and I have no reason to doubt it.

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ihatevnecks

LOL uncle owen simulator. I’ve been calling it galactic economic simulator all these years, but your name is way better.

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SirUrza

Actually it was an effort to make SWG more like WoW as well as early work to bring it to PS2.

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deekay_plus

original star wars galaxies was more like ralph kosters extended universe shower thoughts fantasies featuring ginos and douche bros more than anything resmebling anytone ever called star wars.

it’s kind of gross the legacy it’;s led.

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Xijit

Dude … are you drunk posting?

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deekay_plus

i eam but still the point stands lol. >>

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Sally Bowls

Although, “I am going to be with family all day tomorrow, I need to start drinking NOW” does seem reasonable. Especially if you anticipate some political discussion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/11/15/politics-really-is-ruining-thanksgiving-according-to-data-from-10-million-cellphones/

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StonerMk2

Bree…i have to ask, as a lover of french toast….what in the world is french toast casserole?! I am both scared and excited for what this could be O_O

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StonerMk2

Oh man….im not sure my heart can handle the amount of excitement i feel right now over this lmfao…

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Eboni

That’s Bree. I know what I’m making the kids tomorrow. LOL

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Estranged

Bree, I’m taking my Mom to Cracker Barrel.

Xmas will be Chinese.

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deekay_plus

i’m canadian, i’m bracing for my american friends’ posts tomorrow :D

(yes yes DK use that as your excuse!)

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Ashfyn Ninegold

As a survivor of a bankrupt firm, yup, this is what happens. The company makes plans to close down in a reasonable way (they think) and then the banks say, “Nope. You’re doing it our way and just to prove you have to do it our way, we aren’t going to fund your payroll if you don’t do it our way.”

And that’s why they’re shutting down as of Friday because the bank isn’t going to allow them to fulfill their payroll past that or pay any of their other bills, like the cost of server farms and maintenance.

The bank holds all the cash and therefore makes all the decisions. Doesn’t matter who owns the IP or anything else.

(It was the end of the month, sort of like for these guys, we got no accrued PTO, medical insurance ended and our 401K was frozen. And the rent was due. So I feel for these guys.)

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SirUrza

One could say the bank doesn’t believe Gazillion has any IP or business model worth investing on. It’s likely the VR game they hyped but never showed was all talk.

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Nathaniel Downes

Holy moley!!!!

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Denice J. Cook

Wow, that sucks! I sure hope the Gazillion team lands on their feet, and finds new work soon!

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Sally Bowls

I read two different narratives here:

” Marvel directed Gazillion to prepare the sunset ASAP”
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“that banking creditors have effectively pulled the plug on the company”

Marvel can tell Gazillion when they can use the licensed IP, but they have no say over Gazillion the company. The banks may, in fact, be in control of Gazillions assets. Marvel may have started the ball rolling but I don’t see how they are involved.

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Greaterdivinity

This. Marvel just gave them a date when the game was shutting down because they weren’t going to continue to allow them to use the license.

And given that banks are already yanking money, it appears that it was financial problems at Gazillion rather than evil Disney/Marvel who are the ultimate cause for the game shuttering.

Disappointing, but that makes a lot more sense than all the theories about Disney/Marvel wanting it closed down for X or Y reason.

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Sally Bowls

Yeah. that was my take. D/M pulling the license certainly precipitated the chain of events, but it was not involved in the banks or assets

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Nathaniel Downes

By forcing the sunset, the creditors then called in all the debts at once is my best guess.

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Armsbend

Man. As soon as Brevnik walked out of the door the soul of the company seemingly went with him. Good luck everyone.

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oldandgrumpy

Sorry to hear that the ones at the bottom got the short end, again.

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Zora

What’s with these kind of shutdowns and layoff always piling around the winter holiday season, that’s some sick karma :(

Not overly surprised investors would pull the rug from under their feet with the company reputation virtually destroyed but damn it was sudden…best of luck to all

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Targeter

Not wanting to carry over financial losses into Q1 is a huge driver for this. The creditors are probably trying to recoup as much as they can in Q4 (Oct-Dec) so they can rebound next fiscal year.

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Skoryy

Good grief, and on Thanksgiving too. This is painful to hear.

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Rumm

renege of benefits including accrued PTO

How is that not illegal? Accrued PTO is accrued time, which has a monetary value. A bank can just say no, we won’t be honoring our agreement with you? I wish I could do that to my bank at the drop of a hat.

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ihatevnecks

Depends on their definition of “accrued PTO.”

At my last job, PTO (personal time off) was something everyone was given at the start of the fiscal year – April, basically. Even though they called it “accrued time,” it wasn’t something you built by working specific hours. When I first started there in 2005, you got the whole bundle up front. Eventually that was changed to about half up front, and the rest parsed out until July, to reduce the amount of people blowing their whole PTO load right off the bat and then being screwed during the latter half of the year.

This was company-provided paid personal/sick time, not vacation hours, so none of it was paid out if you were fired or quit. It probably varies by state, but this was the system across at least three states we had teams in.

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Sally Bowls

tl;dr: secured debt

IANAL and not familiar with the specifics, but in general it is

secured creditors > employees > unsecured creditors > preferred stockholders > stockholders

Say you own a home and have a mortgage on it. I slip on your sidewalk and get a $10M judgment against you for pain and suffering. Up to $10M, I get all your assets, your cars, your money, your clothes, your stock, … But I don’t get your house, the bank is a secured creditor and the mortgage has to be paid off before anyone can get ownership of the secured house.

So if a bank were a secured creditor of the bank account, say it was pledge towards a loan, then perhaps they could freeze the account. The bank does not owe the employees. The bank never had an agreement, contract or obligation to pay Gazillion employees. Gazillion still owes employees and creditors, it is just that there is little to nothing to pay them since secured creditors may now be in possession of the assets, including the checking account.

P.S.: Of course, some might speculate an incompetent, sexually-harassing weasel might be blaming the banks for mistakes under his purview.

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Stropp

There’s also the point that in the right circumstances the company directors may be legally responsible for any money owing to employees or other parties.

In most cases a limited liability company protects directors in the case of bankruptcy. But if the directors have done or approved anything illegal or unethical, or have been deliberately negligent, they can be found liable.

I don’t know if that’s the case with Gazillion, but if there is anything untoward other creditors including the employees may be able to legally pursue the debt.

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A Dad Supreme

It depends.

With Trump in office and the Supreme Court conservative, even if they were right they wouldn’t win.

A bank or company would just grind them into dust defending lawsuits.

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