Greed Monger refunds stall over technical hurdles and Bitcoin prices

    
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Greed Monger is the story that keeps on giving. Or taking. And then refunding. But not entirely?

Let’s start at the beginning. Greed Monger is probably the most famous MMORPG Kickstarter failure to date, having raised over $100,000 back in 2012 to build what the developers said would be a “crafting-focused sandbox MMORPG.” By 2015, the project imploded as devs abandoned it over a lack of funding, generating scam accusations from angry backers. Subsequent attempts to revive the game failed.

One of the original founders, Jason Appleton, resurfaced earlier this year, promising to reimburse Kickstarter backers with his newfound cryptocurrency fortune, though a quick glance through the Kickstarter’s comments shows that currently there are still backers who at least claim they haven’t received theirs. As we reported in our crowdfunding column a few weeks ago, Appleton appeared to have closed down applications for refunds and set about railing at donors still asking for their money back.

“All people coming here dropping their pants is going to do is make sure you are either the very last person to get a refund or none at all,” he wrote earlier in May. “A part of this games failure was the self fulfilling prophecy of the haters, trolls and flamers that loved to hate everything about it. Now, some of you are doing the same thing to yourselves. I dont HAVE to give you refunds. I have chosen to. I will not give refunds to people adding to my stress or creating more problems for me. Simple as that. It’s 1am EST and I still have another hour of work at least before I can think about sleep. Just relax and wait patiently. It’s been years. You aren’t in any hurry. I’m doing what I can with the time I have.”

Incidentally, around the same time, Appleton – billed as a “crypto YouTuber” – announced he was launching a 13-episode television series funded entirely by bitcoin. It’s called The Crypto Show.

And that brings us to the present. This week, he posted another long update on Kickstarter to justify his refund window, arguing he’s been fully transparent and asserting that the reason he couldn’t just mass-refund everyone as planned was PayPal’s byzantine processes. He places some of the blame for the delay on the very backers whose money his team took, suggesting that they weren’t forthcoming enough in offering him a solution for how he could mass-pay them. Moreover, he says, he is reluctant to cash out of Bitcoin at its current low value just to hire an assistant to make all the refunds happen one by one.

“People could help remedy the issues I’m having instead of adding to them by simply helping me find a payment solution that makes it easier to distribute funds in groups. This way I could take a list of email addresses in each tier and send 75 people $30, etc and knock out Tiers as originally planned with Paypal,” he writes. “Now I get it, for many, its easier to simply add to the problem than be part of the resolution. It’s like the News, they dont get rating sharing happy stories and its not as exciting. Just like its more fun to be nasty, aggressive, insulting etc to someone gamers still love to hate due to a dismal failure. Just because the game failed doesn’t give anyone the right to make me appear to be someone I’m not and it doesn’t matter that you aren’t one of the people that were refunded already. It doesn’t make your defamation or accusations ok.”

Source: Kickstarter. With thanks to Xanward!

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Nathan Aldana

Bitcoin. or. the least safe or stable currency ever invented.

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He must be reading the Kanye West manual “How to be a dick-hole to stay relevant.”

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He promised in writing to give people refunds, which seems to be mainly because he was coming up with a new business venture he didn’t want people hating on. Anyway once he made that promise to do refunds he did make an obligation and he does need to go through with it.

People saw him not doing refunds for weeks on the chart he made to track refund progress, and he’s all full of excuses and anger towards them when they say anything about it.

He’s making out as if the media is making him out to be a bad guy. He’s a lot worse than the articles have been making him out to be, you can see for yourself if you go and read all the comments he’s been writing to people and what’s been going on. The media is leaving out quite a lot that would make him look far worse than what they’ve been noting so far. Things that would truly make him look horrible and that he’d have a hard time finding excuses for. Though he uses the hacked / locked accounts excuse a lot so he’d probably drop that one a few more times.

Has he used the “It wasn’t me, it was my Brother at the keyboard” excuse yet?

The guy is ridiculous. He goes on about how long and hard it is to do refunds but goes weeks on end without doing *one* refund. He really didn’t have time in those weeks after the initial few refunds to knock a few more out? Give me a break.

All of his excuses are pretty poor. We could go through them one by one but they’re pretty transparent anyway.

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rafael12104

Tell you what Greed Monger (an ironic name to say the least). I’m going to donate an I.O.U. So, I’ll slide it over to you on a little white piece of paper and you just slide it back whenever you need to make a refund. Saves us both of bunch of time, no?

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Utakata

…I am not sure I would use the word “ironic” here, rather “fitting” instead. o.O

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A Dad Supreme

“Either help me help you, or be patient. That’s honestly all I can say right now.”

I was hacked, which shut me down completely for weeks until Google/Youtube helped get everything back in order. I was locked out of my emails, youtube etc.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/appleton/greed-monger-a-crafting-focused-sandbox-mmorpg/posts/2148246

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He’s got plenty of excuses for sure.

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Schlag Sweetleaf

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Armsbend

God damn Schlag. I always liked that ad but you just made it even better.

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Schlag has taken a once commonplace internet past time and made it into an art form his very own.

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rafael12104

That is awesome!!!!

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Armsbend

You can feel the anger level rising with each day that passes as his unrealized gains disappear before his very eyes. I won’t lie; it warms my heart if only by one degree.

Hey dummy, a piece of investment advice: sell now while these tulip bulbs are worth anything at all.

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Bruno Brito

I’ll be honest too. If this idiot finishes in debt, i’ll smile.

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roo woods

It’ll be nothing compared to Star Citizens backers in a few years time .

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“We planted our drama seeds long ago. Let us wait patiently and they will bloom.”

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cursedseishi

I’d also argue that one shouldn’t put himself in a legally actionable position by threatening to withhold money from those who–by the sites own agreements–informs you that you should refund when the project fails and do all in your power to accommodate.
Or that one shouldn’t be relying on a trend to make money, or to create a show that I’m still shocked and horrified hasn’t been immediately canceled by CBS–who I’m guessing just hasn’t been swamped hard enough yet to draw attention to this.

Or that, failing above, isn’t seeing the illegalities of his actions and the bigger cost that’ll be looming over him. There have already been successful suits against kickstarter creators elsewhere, and while the precedence is state-wide he should be swallowing that ill-deserved ego back down and just do the work to refund people rather than whine about it to the very same people he owes.

Horrible as it is to say, I’ll have to agree with Bruno in that I see this end with him in a dumpster fire full of tires of debt. Same as I would say towards anyone who tries to scam and then belittle others when they start pushing back.

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Armsbend

“or to create a show that I’m still shocked and horrified hasn’t been immediately canceled by CBS”

???

Don’t say you are speaking ill of my beloved Twin Peaks!

edit: lol the bitcoin funded tv show. I’m sure that dream is dead.

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Kvarin Sunermidst

This Jason Appleton character moans and pouts about people being disrespectful to him, but he has done that to more than his share of people through his numerous failed business pursuits, especially his MMA brand “MMA Big Show”.

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Bryan Correll

As near as I can tell he’s never seen a get rich quick scheme he didn’t try. He probably even has a dust covered heap of Beanie Babies somewhere.

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Zen Dadaist

I am shocked, shocked I tell you.

Well, not that shocked.