EVE Online coalition war is brought to an end through a shady backroom treaty

    
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If there’s one constant in CCP’s free-for-all space sim EVE Online, it’s that someone will always be at war with someone else, and with war comes juicy drama for us to read about. Such is the case today, as Kotaku reports that a long-running war between the coalitions The Guardians of the Galaxy and The Imperium have signed a treaty to end hostilities, at great cost to the Guardians, who will be surrendering 40 Faction Fortizar structures valued at “somewhere in the ballpark of $6,500” US.

The full story behind the war is long, but perhaps more interesting is the story behind the peace treaty: Apparently, it was “brokered in utter secrecy at the topmost levels of each involved alliance,” among them the infamous Goonswarm, without the knowledge of the majority of the involved coalitions’ players. The treaty included a clause that swore the signees to silence about its existence, with the intent that “leadership on both sides would pretend that the deescalation of hostilities was a natural ending and that a transfer of assets was not involved.” Obviously that didn’t work out, as the treaty was leaked, causing uproar among the involved coalitions.

It’s another fascinating tale in the annals of EVE history, and if you want to know the full details behind the war and the backroom dealings that brought it to an end, the full report is worth a read.

Source: Kotaku

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Alomar
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Alomar

I’m a member of the coalition that “won” and got paid off. I was probably more pissed than the “loosing” side. My alliance, being more hardcore and pvp than most, wanted to push their sh** in and punish them for a decade of wrongs. Also, while the treaty went to effect today it was signed almost two weeks ago.

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Aaron Weddle

Im a goon a bit of a war is ok no one expected this one to last as long as it did frankly it was starting to adversely affect the alliance enocomy we won fair and sqaure we won the isk war and we got faction fortizars or the isk equal out of it

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Alomar

Actually, we (INIT.) expected it to last significantly longer. We’re pure pvpers so we knew and were ready for it. The deal was way too weak and allowed Panfam to get off easy.

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Alex Js.

Very old news. C’mon, you can do much better than reposting Kotaku’s outdated stuff – this was all over Reddit’s /r/EVE like 10 days ago ;-)

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Wilhelm Arcturus

“surrendering 40 Faction Fortizar structures valued at “somewhere in the ballpark of $6,500” US”

This, as has been discussed many times, is a BS number, but I guess at least it didn’t appear in the headline. So thanks for that.

And it is doubly BS since the Imperium isn’t even planning to liquidate the faction Fortizars for ISK. Rather, they are going into what is planned to be a “Dyson Sphere of Trophies” in the Imperium’s capital system 1DQ1-A in the Delve Region.

Since we know it is a BS number I suggest you take that idea and run with it. Instead of giving the value in US dollars, do it in WoW Gold. Given the current WoW Token price, that would value the settlement 34,161,075 gold. That is much more impressive.

Also, as an aside, I took that screen shot at the top of the Kotaku article.

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Sally Bowls

Are you disagreeing with the conversion rate or the idea?

I doubt either of us would spend $6500 for “$6500 of ISK.” But would you spend $100 for “$6500 of ISK?” Regardless of whether you would, I certainly would so clearly “$6500 of ISK” has some monetary value.

As to conversion, like the “street value” of drugs in the police’s press releases, I doubt one could auction off “$6500 of ISK” for $6500 or even close to that. So the actual, RL value of it is between the inflated-for-effect number of the headline and the zero of the apologists.

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Wilhelm Arcturus

The conversion rate is completely bogus as it based on the current open market PLEX to ISK buy-in rate. Using that strongly implies:

-There is no fluctuation. The number is nonsensically small relative to some historic price points.
-That the people involved spent that much real world money on the items. This is doubly false as CCP quite literally gave them to the people who held the systems from which they came for free.
-That there is a path out of the game where ISK has anything like the value of the buy-in.

But I mostly object to it as it is used as a sensationalist headline. So at least this article didn’t go there.

Whether or not ISK has some real world value, I could come up with a half a dozen valuations for ISK based on factors like time spent earning it in various way or the illicit market that would be at odds with the $6,500. Putting it in a news item, even a video game news item, gives that number an air of legitimacy it does not deserve.

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Nosy Gamer

The dollar value is a bit disingenuous. I prefer converting the ISK value to PLEX and then using that to compare events in EVE. Game time is usually so much more impressive, since it is a commodity that players can earn in game.

So, for example, the peace deal comes out to be 167,000 PLEX, or just over 27.8 years of game time. That pales in comparison to the cost of some of the massive battles in EVE history. For example, the famous Battle of B-R5RB resulted in losses that converted to approximately 8,650,000 PLEX, or 1439 years of game time. I haven’t tried to give a value to the large fleet fights, but given the possible scale of the losses, giving up 40 faction fortizars is probably a good bargain.

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Sally Bowls

Ah, just yesterday I was musing on the community management in MMOs.

My guess is that CCP’s community manager ridiculing the deal is not going to make the customers in that Alliance feel even better about p[l]aying the game.

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Wilhelm Arcturus

The whole thing only became public because corp leaders inside GotG were pissed about the deal. And the deal only came about because GotG was bleeding members. And then the Imperium made clear that they were going to pull out of the north anyway, so loudly thanked GotG for paying them to do what they had already planned to do. So on the list of things making players in that alliance angry, Falcon poking some fun at them is a few pages in.

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Sally Bowls

I wasn’t saying it wasn’t funny or deserved or that significant. But customers, especially upset ones, tend to not like being ridiculed by their vendor. Additionally, IMO, MMO players tend to be a bit more sensitive/emo than rational adults. So I can’t see how this is a positive for the shareholders. However, it is clearly not a big deal or even close. Mostly, I see this as another entry on the “no” side of “should game company employees tweet?” question. If EVE were ever to [mistakently IMO] try to expand, then perhaps some adult supervision of its “unique” culture would be in order.

P.S.: it could be worse; GotG could have a blog and go on a multi-year vendetta about Falcon. :-)

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Armsman

Are you saying some of the “Harden the F*ck Up!” EVE players can’t take a little ridicule? ;)

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Skoryy

EVE remains the closest thing we have to a World War MMO, and the best part is none of us have to buy any victory bonds!

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Armsbend

“somewhere in the ballpark of $6,500”

Edit. They are worth nothing. They have exactly zero dollars of real world value in any national currency on the planet Earth.

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Sally Bowls

Cmon.
1) Just because, for legal and tax reasons, a $15 Amazon gift certificate says “no monetary value” on it, does not mean that it has no real world value. I would rather have $15 cash I can spend anywhere than a $15 gift certificate but I would value an Amazon gift certificate close to cash. So $6500 of ISK allows its owners to spend $6500 less on subscriptions and cash shop items.

2) https://www.playerauctions.com/eve-isk/
Things that can be sold for money have monetary value. In particular, these ISK are going to Goonswarm; “Goonswarm does not RMT” is not a common belief. Nozy wrote that the May 23 ban wave “According to the post, one corporation in Goonswarm had over 200 billion ISK removed from its corporation wallet.”

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Wilhelm Arcturus

“Goons must RMT” is a popular bit of mud to fling by people who can’t figure out anything else to throw at them.

Let’s see, what is arguably the strongest alliance in the game, which holds one of the most lucrative regions, which attracts members by showing them they can get make enough ISK to buy and fly whatever in-game toys they want, and has a branch which basically allows anybody who isn’t an obvious spy to join, but we’re shocked, shocked I tell you, when somebody who wants to RMT their ISK joins their ranks.

That is clearly proof that, as an organization, Goons RMT. Not.

Even your example is a bit of fluff. Somebody had 200 billion ISK removed from their wallet. Good. But considering Delve at full tilt in peacetime generates more than 35 billion ISK an hour, that isn’t exactly the sign that CCP is taking down an illicit RMT cartel. They’re just pulling bad apples out of the barrel.